Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

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Lynn Eriksen — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:52:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 2
Pleaseing : 2

Tabs #2

See active: 6
Pleaseing : 6

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Sean — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:56:00 GMT

Design 1 is more aesthetically pleasing, but I'd have to go with Design 2 from a usability standpoint.

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anonymous — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:57:00 GMT

Design #2. No contest. The inactive tabs of Design #1 are too bright, and I don't like the slanted edges.

Though, if you really want to do something nice, would you PLEASE add the possibility to close all open tabs/flyout/windows at the bottom of the screen (such as output, find results etc) with ESC?

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mdykun — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:57:00 GMT

#1 5
#2 7

I believe that design 2 leads itself to a less clutttered design and defines the active tab better.

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clintmiller@beckgroup.com (Clint Miller) — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:00:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 6
2. 7

Design #2
1. 7
2. 4

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John Mark Howell — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:01:00 GMT

Design #1 - rating 7
Design #2 - rating 1

Design #2 is visually "cheap" looking and looks more like a throwback to Win2000. When I try to think of what my customers would like better, it's Design #1 hands down. Users (regardless of if they are developers or not) are all visually driven and visually oriented.

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denny — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:06:00 GMT

well IMHO the tabs are aboutthe last thing I'm bothered with... I just want a stable RC of the core package...

I do like the angle tabs in the first screens, but the dim / grey effect in the later screens should be used.

so
#1
1 - 1
2 - 7
#2
1 - 7
2 - 3.5

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Geoff Appleby — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:15:00 GMT

#1.1 - 1
#1.2 - 6

#2.1 - 7
#2.2 - 3

If you could color the inactive tabs on design #1 the same way they're done in #2, then I'd be most pleased.

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George — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:16:00 GMT

Design #1
Easy to see - 3
Aesthetically pleasing - 8

Design #2
Easy to see - 8
Aesthetically pleasing 4

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James Geurts — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:18:00 GMT

Why not start with #1, but allow the user to configure the visualizer via some option.

I think it would be nice if [some ambitious] user is allowed to write their own tab visualizer, too... what if the user wants colored tabs like OneNote 2003 provides? They would have to wait for a service pack, or worse, an Orca release...

Take some hints from Divelements... he does a pluggable rendering engine correctly! For example: http://www.divil.co.uk/net/controls/sanddock/

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Don — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:18:00 GMT

Hopefully this wont be a double post... I just prepped a long comment and it seems to have gone into the bit bucket.

I strongly prefer #2 aesthetically and functionally.

If there's any chance you are taking other input on tabs, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can you fix the VS2005 tab ordering system? It's the one thing I despise about VisualStudio, and is a far, far more important issue than identifying the active tab.

When I close the tab for the I am working on, the focus shifts to some (essentially) random tab that is neither the tab I want nor the tab I expect to receive focus.

There are lots of tabbed browsers out there now. I'm reading this in Maxthon (which is based on IE6). It has exactly the tabbing behavior I want. New tabs appear to the right of the active tab. Closing a tab shifts the focus one tab to the left (unless there is no tab to the left, in which case focus shifts one tab to the right). It's simple, predictable, and almost always exactly what I want. Mozilla has a similar behavior (not exactly the same, closing a tab shifts focus to the right rather than to the left). I prefer Maxthon's behavior but could certainly live with Mozilla's behavior. The key is to fix the (apparently) random focus shifting that VS engages in when tabs are closed. And yes, I do realize that there is a "logic" to the behavior VS uses (even though it is never what I want or expect).

Thanks for listening,
-Don

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James J. Foster — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:22:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 2
2. 7

Design #2
1. 6
2. 4

I like the colors of the second design (for usability), and the curves of the first design.

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Drazen Dotlic — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:23:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 4
Pleaseing : 1

Tabs #2

See active: 7
Pleaseing : 6

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DG — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:25:00 GMT

I'm with Sean on this one.

Although #1 looks prettier, I have to look closer and pay more attention to see which tab is on top.

With #2 the colour (sorry, color) differences are much less subtle and can be determined with a quick glance.

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Harry — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:33:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 2 (the inactive tab should not be that bright)
2. 7

Design #2
1. 7
2. 3

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James — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:34:00 GMT

I much prefer design 2. Look better and I can more easily tell at a glance which tab is active.

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Lonnie McCullough — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 22:47:00 GMT

I like design #1 much more. I think the reason that a lot of people are having difficulty with the usability aspect of the 1st is that the tabs in #1 seem to be separated from the window the tab is attached to. The highlight from the bottom of the window border is nicely preserved across the face of the tab in #2. This makes it very easy to see which tab is active by following the highlight with your eye to the tab connected to it. In #1 there is always a border drawn between the tab and the window it represents which makes drawing that connection harder. My suggestion is use the curves ( I like how it looks in Eclipse too ) but keep the same edge drawing code from the 2nd.

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bruce.keen@btinternet.com — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:27:00 GMT

Tabs #1
Active Tab 2
Aesthetics 6
Tabs #2
Active Tab 6
Aesthetics 2

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Henry Balanon — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:43:00 GMT

Design #1: Both 7.
Design #2: Both 1.

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Sean Gahan — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:00:00 GMT

Design 1:
1. 5
2. 7

Design 2:
1. 7
2. 5

I don't know about anyone else, but typically I keep one tab open on the right and will keep all things here; usually Server Explorer, Solution Explorer, Properties, Index, and Toolbox. If you do this too, then you will notice that only the icons are apparent and the corresponding tap is clearly evident. If the you were to do the same thing with interface # 2 it would be harder to determine which tab is active. Therefore I would agree with the other Sean and say that though I like design #1, I have to vote for #2 for usability.

Regards,

Sean Gahan

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Corrina — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:15:00 GMT

Hi, I'm one of the designers on Visual Studio and I want to throw one more question into the mix...

Design #1 allows for slightly less tab text, so truncation may occur more often with this design (imagine 3 or more tabs docked together). Would that affect your tab preference?

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paulg — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:19:00 GMT

Design 1:
1. 7
2. 7

Design 2:
1. 4
2. 4

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Brian Delahunty — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 01:17:00 GMT

Tabs #1
Active: 4
Pleaseing : 3

Tabs #2

Active: 7
Pleaseing : 6

One more thing... maybe this is in the options but I can't seem to find it:

Double-click on a tab to close it! Please! I know it only take a second to right click and select close from the context menu or to click on the X but it would be so much quicker if you could close a tab simply by double clicking on the Tab.

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Drew Marsh — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:28:00 GMT

1.1 = 5
1.2 = 8

2.1 = 7
2.2 = 7

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Henry Boehlert — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:45:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 5
2. 2

Design #2
1. 6
2. 5

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Simone Chiaretta — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:29:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 2
2. 6

Design #2
1. 5
2. 3

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Fabio Cozzolino — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:37:00 GMT

Hi,

Design #1
Easy to see - 2
Aesthetically pleasing - 5

Design #2
Easy to see - 7
Aesthetically pleasing 4

good work

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Massimo Iacolare — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:22:00 GMT

Tabs #1
1. 7
2. 8

Tabs #2
1. 6
2. 2

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

David A. Mellis — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:54:00 GMT

Neither one of these options addresses the biggest visual problem with your tabs: the disconnect between the tab and the window it is associated with. Removing the small gray line that separates the two would make it appear as if the tab and window were one entity, as logically they are. This would make the tabs both look and function better.

Looking at the two designs individually, the former does not dim the inactive tabs enough (active: 3, looks: 5). The inactive tabs of the latter do not look like tabs, but part of the background (active: 6, looks: 2).

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Johan De Messemaeker — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:26:00 GMT

1.1 = 6
1.2 = 7

2.1 = 6
2.2 = 4

However, I don't understand why this is an issue since the next generation of Windows apps will have full theme support ?

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Jeff Parker — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:22:00 GMT

Design 1
1. 4
2. 6

Design 2
1. 6
2. 2

I know you didn't ask for this but is it possable to color the tabs at the top like where it says Form1.cs[Design] could we color those tabs in a general preference somewhere say like all design ones are orange, all code ones are green, all classes without UI are blue. Just would help out.

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RonO — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:38:00 GMT

Overall Design 1 - 5
Overall Design 2 - 6

I'd recommend one change to Design 2, though.

http://www.r-orourkes.org/images/TabsA_alternate.png

Clearly defining the bounds of each tabs helps a bunch (to me, at least).

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Eric — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:18:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 5
2. 3

Design #2
1. 7
2. 6

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Marco Goertz — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:23:00 GMT

1.1: 2
1.2: 2

2.1: 6
2.1: 5

But my real question would be: Why do we need 2 different tab styles anyway (MDI tabs vs. tool tabs)? How about using the MDI tab style for tool windows as well?

If a design is considered to be superior, shouldn't it be used throughout the IDE?

Just a thought...

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Robert Kozak — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:00:00 GMT

1.1 : 1
1.2 : 4

2.1 : 7
2.2 : 5

I agree with Marco. Why do we need to different tab styles? Can't you come up with a common set for code windows and dockable windows?

Aren't code windows basically dockable windows anyways?

-- Robert

Looking for Feedback on Tool Window Tab Designs

vs2005news's WebLog — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:55:00 GMT

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Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:11:00 GMT

The Mozilla Modern 3d type toolbars are stupid looking and winamp style and just cannot be taken seriously.

They look stupid.

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Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:13:00 GMT

I suggest you look at Oberon IDE for examples, 3d is OUT and unusable, and adds to COMPLEXITY, start to FLATTEN the UI and consider tiling.

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Alex — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:40:00 GMT

tab 1:

1. 2
2. 2

tab 2:

1. 7
2. 7

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Chris Johnson — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:52:00 GMT

1.a) 6
1.b) 7

2.a) 7
2.b) 4

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Jeremy Davis — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 19:54:00 GMT

Style 1:
Usability: 2
Aesthetics: 5

Style 2:
Usability: 7
Aesthetics: 4

Although to be an offtopic troll, I really do wonder why VS2005 borrowed the toolbars from Office 2003. I find the superfluous shading distracting. But obviously I'm no UI engineer.

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ARW — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:02:00 GMT

#1
4
2

#2
6
7

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bao — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:02:00 GMT

tab 1:
1. 1
2. 2

tab 2:
1. 8
2. 8

Unrelated, but I was wondering if you guys are considering moving the close button for the active window inside the tab (so there'd be an x to the right of "Form1.cs [Design]", for example), or adding it as a feature. Eclipse, Firefox do this, and I find it useful.

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plafata — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:18:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 3 - Not straight forward as to which tab is active.
2. 6 - Tabs have a good updated look to them.

Design #2
1. 9 - Clearly identifies the active tab.
2. 5 - Tabs have an old-fashion look.

I would go with the Design #1 IF you can have the active tab much brighter than the inactive tabs.

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Ron McMahon — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:32:00 GMT

Tab 1
1 - 1
2 - 1

Tab 2
1 - 7
2 - 7

* Frankly, why this scale is 7-point makes no sense...what granularity is gained from an undefined point (what DOES 3 mean?). This scale would be more revealing if it were 2 point (binary) or 3-point (yes, indifferent, no) or a clearly defined 5, 7 or 10 point scale (there is also a good arguement to not have an odd-numbered scale, as it forces a respondent to be either pro or con). Frankly, (I speak as a statistician) any responses that you have that are not 1, 3 or 7 can't be reliably included in your final analysis (if an accurate measurement of your audience's opinion is what you are truly after)

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Marco Goertz — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:37:00 GMT

bao,

While I agree that it is cumbersome to move your mouse all the way over to the x or use any of the other methods to close a tab, I personally think putting an x into every tab would be a waste of space.

An alternative would be to make the tab actions configurable so that the middle mouse button, for example, could be used to close tab (see Maxthon browser tab options as an example).

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Dennis Thornton — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:24:00 GMT

Design #1
Active Tab Visibility - 2
Aesthetically Pleasing - 7

Design #2
Active Tab Visibility - 7
Aesthetically Pleasing - 2

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Trevor Kennedy — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:30:00 GMT

Go with design #1 except with the inactive tabs greyed-out like in design #2

Off topic: I would like VS2005 to be able to show the design view on one monitor and the code view on another, for those of us with a dual-monitor setup.

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Stefan Rosenthal (Germany) — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:02:00 GMT

Design #1
Active Tab Visibility - 1
Aesthetically Pleasing - 1

Design #2
Active Tab Visibility - 7
Aesthetically Pleasing - 7

Keep current Tab-Appearance!

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Chad — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 22:16:00 GMT

Design 1
See Active: 1 (not easy to see)
Pleasing: 7 (much more pleasing than #2)

Design 2
See Active: 7 (easier to see)
Pleasing: 1 (ugly)

How about combining the good parts of both? Just make design #1 with an active tab that is more white and the inactive tabs with a darker grey?

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BillS — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:45:00 GMT

Design 1
See: 5
Pleasing: 7

Design 2
See: 5
Pleasing: 5

Overall I think that a little more color variation on design 1 would change most people vote and actually reverse much of the voting. I actually think design 1 has a significant design advantage in that there is actually an overlapped border which makes the selected tab more apparent. I prefer design 1, even if the colors aren't corrected.

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J Mills — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 05:18:00 GMT

Like others, I would prefer design one - if the inactive tabs were a darker colour.

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codputer — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:06:00 GMT

I like the look of Design 1 - but Design 2 is easir to see what is active...

Can you look into toolbar splitting???? I often scroll up and down the list - between tables and stored proc's for example - it would be nice to have a splitter bar like Word does.

that was the easy request - a better one would be a docking window design specifically for holding toolbars. I use dual monitors so that I can put all the tool bars on one monitor - even then they are all overlayed over each other - I appreciate your design interface for a single monitor - but you should also have some choices when real estate is not so limited.

(while i'm at it - why not an vielded overlay that comments and or ink is used on to comment code!)

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Seb — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 08:56:00 GMT

Tabs #1 : 3

Tabs #2 : 7

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Josh Koppang — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:09:00 GMT

1. 4 & 6
2. 6 & 5

I would, however, choose #2 as it takes up less screen space. #1 uses alot of extra space to just look "pretty."

-Josh Koppang

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David van Leerdam — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:40:00 GMT

Design 1: 2, 6 (more background color contrast could do the trick)
Design 2: 5, 3

Kind regards,

David van Leerdam

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ogd — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:29:00 GMT

Design1
see:4
pleasing:7

To increase visibility I would get rid the separation line between the tab content and the tab itself on the active tab and grey/inactive textcolor the text on the other tabs. I think these tabs look much better although they do take up a bit more realestate.

Design2
see:6
pleasing:3

IMHO using the older style tabs makes the product look old - as in not fresh

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Bertus — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:35:00 GMT

I think you should standardise the tabs-in beta 1 the tabs for the various open files/forms are fine (Open Files Tab) - the active tab caption slants to bottom left and is not seperated by a gray line from the window it is associated with. Maybe one should follow the same principle for tabs that are shown below active windows, just slant them upwards to the right?

The same pattern is not followed for the "Error List" Tabs (which shows promise, but active tab not really visible.

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micTronic — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:05:00 GMT

#1.1: 3
#1.2: 7

#2.1: 6
#2.2: 6

I agree with several others who preferred Design 2 because the active tabs are visually better emphasized. The slight design disadvantage would not be an issue for me.

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Julia Bradley — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:29:00 GMT

1.1: 3
1.2: 7

2.1: 7
2.2: 5

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Allan Young — Sun, 06 Mar 2005 04:30:00 GMT

#1
5
3

#2
4
4

I think the overlap better conveys which is active, however the curve of the overlapping tab is somehow unappealing to me. Overlap with better curvature would be my preference. Perhaps dim or gray-text the non-active tab. Possibly use chiseled text for the non-active tab: draw the text in white, then redraw the text again in white, and offset -1,-1. It's a good inactive text appearance. -Allan

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Bill Henning — Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:08:00 GMT

I think the tab design in Beta 1 was the best. Where you had the color scheme of your design #1 but slightly rounded (instead of slanted) tabs for the tool windows. The slanted tabs don't look as professional in my opinion.

If I had to choose between your two designs presented here, I'd say #2. However overall, I think your best design was in Beta 1.

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Bruce — Sun, 06 Mar 2005 20:04:00 GMT

I agree, you should keep the tab design from Beta 1. I don't like either of these designs. However, if I had to choose, I'd go with #1. I'd cringe if design #2 was used... I hated Visual Studio 2003 because the IDE was mucho ugly, and #2 isn't doing much for me as far as aesthetics. For one thing, it doesn't go at all with the rest of the widgets in the IDE, and it's just ugly in general.

My ratings:

Design #1:
Active-Tab Visibility: 4 (not important to me)
Aesthetics: 5 (Beta 1's design would be 7)

Design #2:
Active-Tab Visibility: 4 (ditto)
Aesthetics: 1 (looks like crap)

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Blaine Leckett — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 03:47:00 GMT

I agree with a few others in that the second tab set is much better duew to seeing the active tab. Also, agree with an extra feature as said for the 3/3/2005 1:57 PM post regarding ability to close all open tabs.

1.1: 3
1.2: 6

2.1: 6
2.2: 6

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Rajiv Das — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:14:00 GMT

Design 1
1. It is very easy to see which tab is active - 2
2. The tabs are aesthetically pleasing -4

Design 1
1. It is very easy to see which tab is active - 4
2. The tabs are aesthetically pleasing -4

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Daniel Fihnn — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:10:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 5
2. 7

Design #2
1. 7
2. 6

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joe — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 07:52:00 GMT

#1
1. = 1
2. = 1

#2
1. = 7
2. = 7

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Alfred Smeenk — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 08:25:00 GMT

Tabs #1:
see active: 2 (with coloring: 6)
'pleasing': 6

Tabs style #2
see active: 6
'pleasing': 6

I have done the overlapping tabs (or as some called them 'one-note style tabs') myself for a web application, was thinking about doing them at the bottom also, but haven't gotten around to that yet.

Maybe you should have a look at RSS Bandit, its actually using both styles, one-note at the top, style #2 at the bottom ('properties style'?).

Alfred

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Szokelizer — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 09:43:00 GMT

#1
1. = 1
2. = 1

#2
1. = 7
2. = 7

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Scott Lee — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:50:00 GMT

Design #1:
visibility: 2
aesthetics: 7

Design #2:
visibility: 7
aesthetics: 1

-----
Any way to take the aesthetics of #1 and just make the non-active color lighter as in #2? The best of both worlds?

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Billy Chism — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:45:00 GMT

#1
1. = 2
2. = 4

#2
1. = 7
2. = 5

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MadDog 2020 — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:56:00 GMT

Style #1:
1. 3
2. 8

Style #2:
1. 8
2. 3

I choose Style #2 cuz usability is more impotent ;)

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Steven Fowler — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:59:00 GMT

Design #1 2/5
Design #2 7/7

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Robert Perkins — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 14:59:00 GMT

Tabs#1
Q1:2 (Low contrast is an issue)
Q2:7 (Aesthetically quite pleasing)

Tabs#2
Q1:7 (Highly contrasting shades)
Q2:5 (Not bad looking)

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Neal — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 15:20:00 GMT

Design 1 will be much beter accross a wider range of color schemes, because of the overlapping design.

If you have a very light color scheme then Design 2 would be much harder to judge.

The ideal design is neither 1# nor 2# but a combination of both. Can't you combine the style of 1 with the colorization of 2.

Regards
Neal

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Gianluca — Mon, 07 Mar 2005 16:36:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 1
Pleaseing : 3 (Better tabs of Form1.cs (Design)

Tabs #2
See active: 6
Pleaseing : 5

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Robert Roeder — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:32:00 GMT

I personally like style 1 over style 2, but would suggest a bit darker on the inactive tab. Closer to the background color. There also appears to be a little space above the tab in style 2 and not in style 1. I think the space or a way to tie the tab to the currently selected window is needed.

tabs 1
see active 2
pleasing 7

Tab2
see active 6
pleasing 5

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Joachim Holzhauer — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 09:55:00 GMT

Design #1, 1: 5
Design #1, 2: 7

Design #2, 1: 6
Design #2, 2: 6

I prefer Design#1, but the color of the inactive tabs should be more darker than that of the active one.

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Sakari Forsberg — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:49:00 GMT

"Design 1 is more aesthetically pleasing, but I'd have to go with Design 2 from a usability standpoint."

I do agree 100%.

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Lino — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 12:49:00 GMT

Scheme 1: overall 6, very good
Scheme 2: overall 3, it's difficult to distinguish disabled tabs.

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Chris — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:47:00 GMT

Tabs #1
1: 1
2: 3

Tabs #2
1: 7
2: 5

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Casely — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:46:00 GMT

The second design is definitely way better than the first. Having the curved design and no blending into the background like the first in my opinion will cause visual clutter if a lot of tabs were open or docked within the same window.

With the second design, the blending makes it a lot easier to look at. and the straight edges gives a more symetric look. I like the second design better.

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Stephen A. — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:53:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 2 - It is actually difficult to see at a glance.
2. 2 - When I have to work to tell if it is active, that doesn't please my eyes.

Design #2
1. 7 - Easy to tell which is active at a glance.
2. 6 - Not hard on the eyes.

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Wayne Young — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:54:00 GMT

Definately #2.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Gary — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:09:00 GMT

Design 1
1. 4
2. 4

Design 2
1. 7
2. 5

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VBCoder — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:39:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 2
2. 7

Design #2
1. 6
2. 4

I like the first design but I think there needs to be more contrast between the active and inactive tabs.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

SvenC — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:01:00 GMT

#1.see active = 2 (back tab is too bright, label could be grey and be position 1 or 2 pixels down to produce a 3d effect of being in the background
#1.pleasing = 6 (nice round tab design)

#2.see active = 6
#2.pleasing = 4 (tabs are a bit edgy)

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

JamesB — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:00:00 GMT

DESIGN #1
1. 2
2. 3

DESIGN #2
1. 7
2. 6

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dt — Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:58:00 GMT

Tabs 1
See active: 2
Aesthetics: 5

Tabs 2
See active: 6
Aesthetics: 3

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Brett — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:20:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 1
2. 1

Design #2
1. 7
2. 7

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re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Micke — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 10:46:00 GMT

Design #2 win hands down, personally I don't have to rate it..

And the shark-fin stuff on the edit windows should be of the same model too! While you may like sharks, it's bad (imo).

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Jeremy — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:02:00 GMT

Design 1
1. 7
2. 7

Design 2
1. 7
2. 2

I think both are good from a usability standpoint, but as far as asthetics go, Design one is far nicer. I still maintain though, that that tabs should be on top instead of on the bottom, that's more usable to me.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Jim Wasson — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 21:31:00 GMT

Design 1
1. 5
2. 6

Design 2
1. 5
2. 4

The angled tab of the first design is aesthetically more pleasing and the angles aid in deciding which tab is on top. But the second using blending is easier to tell at a glance which tab is active -- I don't have to "study" it to tell. I vote for design 2.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Phylyp — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:37:00 GMT

Design 1:
#1: 3
#2: 5

Design 2:
#1: 7
#2: 5

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

~t — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:16:00 GMT

Since when is it up to individual teems to design/make decisions on MAJOR UI objects? This constant reinventing the wheel is what drove me crazy during the dotcom frenzy! Anyway - back in 'the day' - MS took a lot of pride in a Common User Access spec. The $ spent testing large user groups and counting mouse clicks, etc., was legendary. Designing tab controles is a job for the Windows UI teem, no?

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Jamie — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:23:00 GMT

Design #1
Ease of Use: 1
Aesthetics: 5

Design #2
Ease of Use: 7
Aesthetics: 6

When you are working fast and furious in the IDE, you want visual cues that quickly indicate the action you should take. It is much more difficult to quickly discern the active tab in Design #1 vs. Design #2. Design #2 gets my vote because it will keep me moving whereas Design #1 would slow me down.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:49:00 GMT

Design #1
1)5
2)6

Design #2
1)6
2)5

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Philippe Cheng — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:04:00 GMT

I like the look of design 1 better because it looks more modern and I feel the slight decrease in visible text is a very minimal loss. Design 1's slanted tabs stand out more since they slightly cover up neighboring tabs. How about an alternative hybrid solution where the tabs are less slanted on one side? I have a design mockup here: <a target="_new" href="http://www.alternex.net/philippe/PermaLink.aspx?guid=ddc7d8d8-939b-4956-aa51-5615397402b3">http://www.alternex.net/philippe/PermaLink.aspx?guid=ddc7d8d8-939b-4956-aa51-5615397402b3</a>

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

user — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:04:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 1
Pleaseing : 7

Tabs #2

See active: 7
Pleaseing : 5

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Heath — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 21:40:00 GMT

Design 2 is better overall

design 1:
#1 = 2
#2 = 7

design 2:
#1 = 7
#2 = 6

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Eric — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:35:00 GMT

Design #1
1)3
2)6

Design #2
1)6
2)4

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

VicZ — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:56:00 GMT

A tab should always look like a tab - selected or not.

Take a look how it is done in Windows XP (/as in tab
control) and do something similar. The orange line at the top (or below in your case) the tab works well. I vote for Design #1 but prefer a more square look as in Design #2.

-UI Developer

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

ellis — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:40:00 GMT

design #1
1) 7
2) 1

design #2
1) 7
2) 7

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Nick — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 02:57:00 GMT

Design #1
1) 2
2) 5

Design #2
1) 6
2) 6

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Michal K. — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:38:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 2
Pleasing: 2

Tabs #2
See active: 7
Pleasing: 6

If you really want to make active tab to stand out please consider adding subtle drop shadow (with imaginary light source above a tab, so the shadow is centered).

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

JasonP — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:05:00 GMT

Design #1
Easy to see - 6
Aesthetically pleasing - 7

Design #2
Easy to see - 6
Aesthetically pleasing - 3

Although the contrast is greater in #2 (and thus makes it easy to see), #1 is just as easy to see, looks nicer, and better conotates a clickable option. Number 2 almost looks likes a disabled control.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Andre — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:36:00 GMT

Design #1
6
2

Design #2
6
7

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paul domag — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:36:00 GMT

No Contest. Its Design # 2. the inactive color of design 1 is quite bright on the first glance (might confuse the user). Design 2 looks quite professional...

design #1
1) 3
2) 5

design #2
1) 6
2) 7

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

#1 Microsoft Fan — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:26:00 GMT

design #1
1)3
2)3

design #2
1)6
2)6

Design #1 makes it more difficult to instantly see which tab is selected. You kind of have to look at it for a second to figure out which tab is selected. Design #2 doesn't have this problem.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Michael — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:38:00 GMT

#1 - 0, 0
#2 - 7, 7

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mark — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:46:00 GMT

design #2 rate 6
I think this design will be the most easy to work with for me, however if another design becomes first it's OK with me too. Still why don't you build in a possibility to choose your own layout, designers will love you for giving them a choice. Speed and pleasure of working with mostly comes with a possibility to make your own choices!
Thank you

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mark — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 10:59:00 GMT

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Jan Vercauteren — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:07:00 GMT

Style 1:
Usability: 2
Aesthetics: 2

Style 2:
Usability: 8
Aesthetics: 8

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Joe — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 13:52:00 GMT

Design #1
Ease of Use: 7
Aesthetics: 8

Design #2
Ease of Use: 6
Aesthetics: 6

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Mark W — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:15:00 GMT

Tab Design 1
1) 7
2) 4

Tab Design 2
1) 7
2) 6

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Dean — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:57:00 GMT

I like design #1 better if AND ONLY if you make the color of the non-active tabs a little darker. Also, if you made the icon smaller then you would be able fit slightly longer words on the tab.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Vineeth — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:13:00 GMT

Design#1:

1)2
2)1

Design#2

1)5
2)7

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

leha — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:08:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 1
Pleaseing : 1

Tabs #2

See active: 7
Pleaseing : 7

odnoznachno!

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William Warby — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:35:00 GMT

Design#1:

1)6
2)2

Design#2

1)5
2)7

Tab design 1 is more aesthetically pleasing but should have a drop shadow to make it stand out. Inactive tabs should be a slightly darker shade and you should apply the thin line connected to the tabs in design 2 to design 1.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Mohammed Noor — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:48:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 4
Pleaseing :3

Tabs #2

See active: 5
Pleaseing : 5

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Doug — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:44:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 2
Pleaseing : 6

Tabs #2
See active: 7
Pleaseing : 5

I have a feling that tab #1 will not allow as many tabs as tab #2, and for people like me who have 4-6 tabs on a side, tab #2 would be much easier to navigate.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Bob Ranck — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:01:00 GMT

Clearly number one (with rounded corners on the tab) One slight improvement would (in addition to an icon on the tab) to allow the backcolor for each tab to be sleected. Thei would allow even faster identification of which tab was currently selected.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Matt Lavallee — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:03:00 GMT

Without even posting likert scale values, #2 by a landslide. If numbers make you feel better, {1,1} and {7,7}.

#1 is "prettier", but this isn't Apple.

-Matt

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Laurence Hunter — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:36:00 GMT

Design #1 = 7
Design #2 = 2

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Colin Marney — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:15:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 3
2. 7

Design #2
1. 7
2. 3

I'm not sure that tabs really need to show the active state, that's the job of the caption bar. Users look at a window decide if that is what they want to use, and if necessary change to another window using the tab control. On that basis the tabs should be designed so that identification of the window content is as clear as possible and I would therefore choose Design #1.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Jeremy — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:23:00 GMT

#1 looks nice but won't be usable with many tabs. Let form follow function and go with #2.

Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design Iteration 2

aaron's weblog — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:42:00 GMT

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Michael Goldshteyn — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:14:00 GMT

I have a VERY good suggestion for you. Design #1 would work well if the text of tabs not in focus was made gray instead of black. This would make design #1 both prettier than #2 and just as usable.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Kurt — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:21:00 GMT

#2 is the best.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Roberto — Fri, 18 Mar 2005 07:41:00 GMT

Tab 1 is best (Rate 7) very pleasing and easy like any tabbed form.

Tab 2 is ugly (Rate 1) it´s praticali the same frm VS 2003.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

CJ — Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:31:00 GMT

Make it configurable, or...*GASP* make it follow the look and feel of XP.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Otis Mukinfus — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:32:00 GMT

I like option #2. It indicates more visually which tab has been chosen.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

TS — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:09:00 GMT

Tab style 1 is more visually appealing, but harder to determine the active one. The overlapping is so small it's hard to see anyway.

Tab style 2 is easier to see the active tab, but less appealing.

If the icons in Tab style 1 were shown in color for the active tab and the inactive tab icons were greyed, it would be easier to determine the active tab.

Hopefully, there won't be too many tabs in the Tools/Server Explorer or Solution Explorer areas because scrolling horizonally is bad. Hopefully, multiple tabs can collapse to just icons or make it an option to just show icons without the descriptive text.

As for the document tabs putting in an icon to indicate Design Mode vs Code Mode (and replace the "[Design]" text) would also be helpful. Anything to reduce horizontal scrolling when you have numerous code files open.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Clark — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:52:00 GMT

On balance, I prefer style 2, but I don't really find the layout all that useable with the tabs on the bottom. I would like to see all of the controls for what is displayed and what is not all in one place (or one for code and another for debugging), because the left and right side panes interfere with code viewing, especially on a laptop. I am always having trouble keeping the windows I want to see open and the ones I use seldom closed, particularly when trying to view local variables in the debugger.

Some color in the active tabs would help as would the ability to have a separate non-modal window showing the viewing controls in a separate window that could be popped up and down from the task manager as needed. There is too much going on in VS as it is. I think I would prefer to manage the windows myself.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Clark — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:53:00 GMT

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Clark — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:41:00 GMT

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Gordon Mackie — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:44:00 GMT

Design #1
1. 3
2. 8

Design #2
1. 8
2. 2

The first design LOOKS the nicest, but can be difficult to see which tab is slected - this could be improved by making the images and text in the unselected tabs more faded or grey (as they are in the second design)

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Doug — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:13:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 6
Pleaseing : 6

Tabs #2

See active: 4
Pleaseing : 4

Screen Real Estate is valuable.

Matt Brunell — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:41:00 GMT

The most important factor for a developer like myself is how much screen space the widget take up. Aesthetic pleasure is a close second, but second none-the-less. My screen is already crammed full of tool windows. Making more of the text visible helps especially when the tabs are very small. (when I have three or so tool windows sized small to see my code window)

A note on the MDI tabs: I like the drop down open file chooser control that was added, but I miss the tab scroll that was in 2003. If I have too many windows open, then I have to visually search through that list. Also, I don't like the fact that the relative path of the code file is displayed in the tab. This makes the tab very large. Perhaps the path could be displayed on a mouse over??

re: Don

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:40:00 GMT

I just need to say Don's suggesting is FAR from representing the common demands of all VS users. Those of us who have been using windows for more than a year understand tab order, focus and the behavior of ctrl-tab or ctrl-f4, and rely heavily on the window we see in response.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Bob — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:12:00 GMT

1.1 = 5 1.2 = 7 2.1 = 7 2.2 = 1

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Ben — Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:12:00 GMT

Take choice #1, but color the active one, e.g. color green

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Netsrac — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:13:00 GMT

Tabs #1
See active: 2
Pleaseing : 4

Tabs #2
See active: 7
Pleaseing : 5

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Matt E — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 15:27:00 GMT

#2 is the better option.
Option 1:
1. It is very easy to see which tab is active.
Rating: 1

2. The tabs are aesthetically pleasing.
Rating: 4

Option 2:
1. It is very easy to see which tab is active.
Rating: 6
2. The tabs are aesthetically pleasing.
Rating: 6

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Mike Cookson — Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:01:00 GMT

#1 is more asesthetically pleasing, but harder to see which is active, mostly because of the way that it is shaded. I would suggest going with #1, but shading the inactive tab more distinctively.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Jan Vilimek — Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:55:00 GMT

Design #1

1. active: 1
2. aesthetically: 5

Design #2

1. active: 7
2. aesthetically: 7

I'd rather work with Design#2

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Andrew — Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:17:00 GMT

Like the tab look of #1, but the shading on the inactive tab is not diffinitive enough.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Sten — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:46:00 GMT

#1. 1: 1. 2: 1. #2. 1: 7. 2: 7.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

terotech — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:56:00 GMT

Design #1 1. active: 1 2. aesthetically: 5 Design #2 1. active: 7 2. aesthetically: 7 Design#2 wins in my opinion - hands down.

re: Feedback Requested: Visual Studio 2005 Tab Design

Jon Mayers — Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:37:00 GMT

Design #1: 2, 3 Design #2: 7, 7

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