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Adam — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:34:00 GMT

Dumb question: where is the one document that explains why I'd use this over the build.exe model?

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Ilya Haykinson — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:38:00 GMT

Oh, how I wish you brought MSBuild to us folks who can't use Whidbey till it's final. Perhaps provide an NAnt->MSBuild conversion utility, so that we can start using something like NAnt for building now until VS2005 is finally released?

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Luc Cluitmans — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:37:00 GMT

Nice to see this type of blog, please keep them coming.

I somewhat agree with Ilya about the availability of MSBuild: it would be nice to have a version of it that can work independent of Whidbey. I realize that this is unlikely to happen; I assume msbuild depends too much on CLR v2.0 already to make it usable with VS2003. And of course, true *integration* with VS2003 will never happen.

One practical note, if I were a co-worker of you, I would not be amused by the fact that you didn't strip the e-mail addresses (like you stripped the company names). Don't forget that this blog is publicly visible on the web, and open to e-mail harvesters.

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David Cumps — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:13:00 GMT

Very nice! (btw, I think you switched foornote 4 and 5 :p)

001 - MSBuild status

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Omer van Kloeten — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:33:00 GMT

I love this kind of transparency. Keep it up!
I wish every PM did this.

I just couldn't help thinking if you're gonna get sacked tomorrow for revealing too much inside information. ;)

Scooby Snacks Volume #1

scooblog by josh ledgard — Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:02:00 GMT

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Alex Kipman — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:19:00 GMT

Glad this was useful Omer! Good news... I'm still here (wasn't sacked this time). I'll just have to keep trying :-p

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Alex Kipman — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:23:00 GMT

Luc / Ilya,

Great feedback about availability of MSBuild on VS 2003. I do hear that question often. I've added it to my list of "to blog about" topics. I think there is a lot to be said here... now it's just a matter of putting all those thoughts into the blog. Thank you again :)

Luc,

The e-mail addresses were put here deliberately :). Call it dogfooding of the exchange server spam filters :). I've been posting with my real e-mail and putting it across the web for about 3 years now... and I very seldom get junk mail. When I do it goes to the Exchange team so they can better their spam filters :)

Thanks for the feedback though. I will start asking my co-workers before just pasting their e-mail on the web :)

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Alex Kipman — Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:27:00 GMT

Adam,

That's a great question! You guys are just growing my list of topics to blog about. There really is no definitive guide today as to when you use one versus the other.

Even my chaotic answer is bigger than what I want to type as a response (as opposed to a separate blog entry).

I shall add it to the list of things to blog about. Thanks for the feedback.

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Bil Simser — Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:46:00 GMT

Alex,

I think it's great that you find the time to let us know what's happening internally and how things are progressing. It helps us doing strategy design know how to position what's to come so please keep it up (dozens, if not hundreds of MS Softies have been doing this so this is a good thing).

The comment about NAnt->MSBuild is a good one because, today, we only have NAnt for this type of stuff. If there's no real advantage to moving to MSBuild and the process is painful, why would I choose it when NAnt can give me what I want (or will in the next release).

MSBuild Team Posts Status Publicly

scooblog by josh ledgard — Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:40:00 GMT

Posting public status (by yag)

VS Data Team's WebLog — Sun, 20 Jun 2004 08:05:00 GMT

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Marc Holmes — Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:04:00 GMT

Hi Alex,

Looking forward to growing info on MSBuild. Great articles on MSDN from Christopher.

Where can I keep up-to-date with the tasks that are envisaged accompanying the final release. I'd like to keep an eye on the differences between NAnt + NAntContrib and MSBuild equivalents. I can imagine that this is out there somewhere (beyond the tasks included in the preview). Any chance you could maintain a list on your blog?

Cheers,

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Blair — Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:55:00 GMT

Very nice information.

Keep it coming.

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vince — Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:27:00 GMT

OK, can we get a definitive answer on whether MSBuild will support C++ projects or not?

Mentioning that xbox/xbox2/windows game projects are using MSBuild seems to imply C++ support. Why so coy? It seems impossible to find a definitive "yes" or "no" on C++ support.

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Alex Kipman — Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:16:00 GMT

Hi Vince,

Yeah I hear you. My next post will be about C++ support... so that once and for all we can quench that thirst.

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vince — Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:10:00 GMT

Cool. I eagerly anticipate this post.

MSBuild Team Posts Status Publicly

Sushila Patel's Weblog — Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:40:00 GMT

MSBuild Team Posts Status Publicly

Sushila Patel's Weblog — Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:41:00 GMT

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Mario Goebbels — Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:56:00 GMT

Question: Will MSBuild allow building .NET modules? Visual Studio itself doesn't have support for it, will at least MSBuild allow to configure a project file that'll churn out modules instead of DLLs?

Thanks.

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Alex Kipman — Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:48:00 GMT

Mario,

*Yes*! MSBuild does allow you to build .net Modules. Our CSC task exposes a parameter called TargetType. Our target type currently is able to consume:

* exe
* winexe
* library
* module

If you are using our target files you'll note that Microsoft.CSharp.targets defines the CSC step and in it you can see:

TargetType="$(OutputType)"

So as long as you set OutputType = module you will build a netmodule.

Because OutputType is just a property you can define it on the command like (/p:OutputType=module) as an environment variable (set outputtype=module) or in your project file (<OutputType>Module</OutputType>)

Do it in any of the above ways and you will note that a netmodule comes out.

Because VS build goes through MSBuild you *can* build a netmodule inside of VS as long as you do any of the above. Now as soon as you F5 (build) inside of the IDE you will be able to have your Visual Studio project generating a .netmodule. Isn't that cool!

I love it!

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Mario Goebbels — Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:05:00 GMT

That's great! Thanks for the info!

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Steve: Developing on the Edge — Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:37:00 GMT

Alex Kipman details the current status of MSBuild. I'm fairly impressed by the number of tests they have.
Frankly, Ant
doesn't have that many unit tests. But we have the gump

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