OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

James Governor — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:31:33 GMT

Are you taking the piss alex? didn't i correct you on gilmoor before? check yourself- two different spellings in two pars. no wonder you're so happy with sloppy specs...

http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/archives/000915.html

:-))

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

James Governor — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:42:50 GMT

oh yeah- the voting stuff. are you aware of the lessig vote tag idea from the last election?

it set off this take on attention before i ever heard of it
http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/archives/000316.html

please read it, if you didn't the first time, and let me know what you think

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

alexbarn — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:47:43 GMT

LOL! OK, I'm leaving it there for posterity.

Will check out your post, thanks.

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Stewart — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:48:21 GMT

Does Rank suggest a historical rank, number of clicks over time, and if so aren't you effectively voting by visiting the same resource again and again?

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Paul Montgomery — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:37:28 GMT

Isn't including the content (RSS feed, whatever) in the outline element a "vote" for it in the first place? You're effectively voting for that content, and not voting for content that you don't put in. What meaning does it have to not vote for something you include? Then you have three states: not included, included and not voted for, and included and voted for. All you're doing is increasing the number of attention states from two to three. If that's what you want, then fine. I could see people voting for everything though, so you're left with effectively two states again and it's pointless.

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

Nick Bradbury — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:45:38 GMT

I'll echo Paul's comment by saying that subscribing to a feed is automatically a vote for it. It might be worthwhile for aggregators to also keep track of feeds you've unsubscribed from and flag them with "vote-against" - this way the importing aggregator would know not to recommend feeds you've already seen and removed from another aggregator.

BTW, Attention.xml includes a rev/votelink attribute:

http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/attentionxml

Is this more or less what you're proposing?

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

cori — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:49:55 GMT

manual trackback:
http://kinrowan.net/blog/wp/archives/2005/11/19/more-on-attention-formats-and-opml-namespaces/

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

alexbarn — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:31:10 GMT

Paul, Nick. You talking at the feed level. As I tried to stress in my post, I'm talking at the item level.

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

Nick Bradbury — Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:38:03 GMT

Voting at the item level seems useful, but given how many items we read each day, I'm not convinced enough people would take the time to manually vote for individual items. However, if the action wasn't an explicit "vote" it might work - for example, if you flag an item in FeedDemon, it could be considered a vote for that item.

re: OPML and the road to Attention data: Progress

alexbarn — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:24:03 GMT

Yes, Nick, that would do the trick!!

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Nick Bradbury — Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:36:39 GMT

Glad you agree :) I think in general, most people don't want to take the time to rank items, so tools such as FeedDemon need to infer ranking (or voting) based on the user's actions.

That said, explicit voting at the feed level might be practical, since people may be more inclined to say "I like this feed" than they would "I like this post."

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