Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Heath Stewart — Wed, 25 Jan 2006 01:00:45 GMT

It's important to note that it's just not the shortcuts that were removed - it was everything including what the shortcuts pointed to and their dependencies.

Administrators should also be aware of how to edit the appropriate XML configuration file or set publisher policies. A GUI interface is handy but not necessary.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

ATS — Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:33:25 GMT

Two things:

1) Microsoft, please publish and support a distributeable .NET 2.0 Config Tool.

2) Could you please publish your MSI you created.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

astebner — Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:15:39 GMT

Hi ATS - I have delivered the feedback about this tool being in the SDK as opposed to the redistributable to the .NET Framework team, but it would probably help for them to hear it from external customers and not just Microsoft employees. I encourage you to report this as a bug/suggestion at http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback.

I am not going to publish the built MSI because of the servicing implications that it causes and because I don't want to give the impression that something like this is officially supported. It would not be difficult for you to use the WXS file along with the latest drop of WiX from http://wix.sourceforge.net to create an MSI on your own if you really need it though...

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Daryl Cantrell — Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:34:02 GMT

This is a boneheaded move on Microsoft's part. It seems like such an obvious mistake, that I can only assume it was done in order to shave a megabyte off the 2.0 redist's download size.

"The setup team and the feature teams decided that these type of graphical user interfaces were advanced features more appropriate to an SDK than to a redistributable that is intended to be installed on end-user machines."

That's why it's located in the Administrative Tools folder. Take a look at some of the other things in there. ODBC Data Sources? Component Services? How many home users need any of those? Why not delete the entire folder?

Here's what I had to say about this in dotnet.security:

.NET 1.1 had very granular control of permissions. I could give an assembly permission to read just one drive, or write in only one directory which I had created, or only connect to certain sites, etc. In short, I could install an assembly with just the permissions it actually needed.

Now that's all gone.

It's still there in .NET 2.0 of course, but what good is that with no way configure it? Microsoft goes to all the trouble of building an incredibly powerful permission-granting scheme in the System.Security namespace -- and then completely removes the only way of interfacing with it. At this point the user is left to just assign "FullTrust" and hope for the best. This is not smart, and definitely not secure.

As a developer, the "safest" thing to do is to install all of my code with FullTrust. Since the user can no longer tweak permissions, nothing can be fixed after deployment. Demanding unrestricted permissions for my assemblies makes this a non-issue. Nothing will ever have to be tweaked, because everything is running with the .NET equivalent of "root".

Of course, it's only the "safe" option for me, the developer. It makes life much harder for the people who worry about security. For the sake of a 3% decrease in download size, Microsoft has taken a large step backwards in security.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Vladimir Postnikov — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:18:16 GMT

Thanks a lot!

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Deniz — Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:38:59 GMT

Thanks for the information in depth, but it would help a lot more if you could provide the compiled msi itself, even its not supported.

.NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Henrique — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:37:57 GMT

Dear Aaron,
as a user, I did isntall the redistributable. And I do NEED to adjust security setting for just one program.
I did not figure out how to use the caspol.exe (as a command line tool it IS more complex).
I have a dial-up internet conection here in Brazil, so downloading 340 Mb for the SDK is almost impossible.
Can you PLEASE send me this Compiled Tool you build for me to test? If you can send by email, do it to [ auler (-at-) yahoo (-dot) com ].
Thank you very much!

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

DaveKindness@Yahoo.com — Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:48:55 GMT

What do we have to do to get Microsoft to publish a supported 2.0 framework that includes the config tool?

This is ridiculous. Stop playing Where's Waldo with us. Every time someone on a dev team comes up with a better idea of how a GUI should look or where a tool should be packaged means that there are thousands of man hours that will be wasted while we try to figure out what you changed. Please preserve our investment in "know how" by not changing stuff just for the sake of change.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

stewart — Mon, 15 May 2006 23:03:49 GMT

Can you send me the msi. My email is s.spence@tvdsb.on.ca.

Thanks for your assistance on this item.
may 15, 2006

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Marian Ion — Wed, 17 May 2006 17:09:51 GMT

Removing a tool, only because is for administration, is ... let's be gentle and say not smart enough, especially for someone who seems to know what web applications administration means.
Thank you, anyway, for guiding us http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback, to correct your team's errors. Are there other things we should know about???

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

astebner — Wed, 17 May 2006 21:32:30 GMT

Hi Marion - I have heard a lot of similar feedback about this particular issue and I have delivered it to the .NET Framework setup team for future consideration. I encourage you to vote on the bugs that exist for this issue on the Product Feedback site as well because the team tends to give more consideration to bugs that have more votes from customers in the field.

I'm not sure what you mean by "other things we should know about" though. What kind of things are you referring to in that question?

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Thorn — Mon, 29 May 2006 17:06:44 GMT

It's better for f** smarties in "setup team" think twice before doing so stupid decisions. It's OBVIOUS w/o any f** "votes" that this tool is ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.

When M$ will stop thinking INSTEAD of users? What about ASK 'em?

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

astebner — Mon, 29 May 2006 21:52:23 GMT

Hi Thorn - There is no disputing the need for this tool, that is why it is still shipping (although it is in the SDK and not the redistributable). At the time this decision was made, the theory was that enabling administrative tasks was not something that made sense to include in a redistributable package (plus it added a megabyte or so to the redist size), so the decision was made to move it to the SDK. We didn't really have a mechanism to poll users to ask about this kind of scenario, but that is part of what we hope to achieve with the Product Feedback site and the voting mechanism. I hope to convince the team to move this tool back into the redist based on the feedback I've received on my blog, but I am not actually on the .NET Framework setup team anymore so I don't have a lot of influence into what they decide to do. Hearing feedback directly from customers via the Product Feedback site lends a lot more weight to my suggestions, so that is why I suggest voting on the bug reports if you haven't already. I apologize for the hassle that this decision has caused you.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

liuquan — Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:09:53 GMT

Can you send me the msi. My email is 13318970808@gd165.com

Thanks for your assistance on this item.
june 08, 2006

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

fbarbin — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:17:30 GMT

The link to the WXS file seems to be broken.
How can we get the source files.
Thanks for your help.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

astebner — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:17:52 GMT

Hi Fbarbin - The link appears to be working fine for me. You might have hit some temporary downtime on my file server earlier this morning or something like that. Can you please try to access it again and see if it works for you? If it doesn't, please contact me using http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/contact.aspx and I can send it to you via email instead.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

fbarbin — Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:18:19 GMT

OK. It works fine right now. Thanks for your help.

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re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

YouWantMyUserName — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:11:51 GMT

Thanks a bunch I got this to work. A couple tips. Download the bin from the wix link you don't need the source.

Replace all the GUID in the wxs file as it says witha valid GUID or just make something up (I didn't say that)

Then these two .exe's are the ones you want.

candle.exe SampleFirst.wxs

it will create a .wiobj file then...

light.exe SampleFirst.wixobj

you're done!

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

twkd — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 22:52:02 GMT

http://mygreenpaste.blogspot.com/2006/03/net-framework-20-configuration-tool.html

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

AgainINeedToRegister — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:25:40 GMT

Almost a year after your first post, the redistributable version is still lacking the configuration tool. And I can't find the bug in http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback.

Which id does it have ?

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

astebner — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:34:29 GMT

Hi AgainINeedToRegister - Keep in mind that this post was originally published after the final version of the .NET Framework 2.0 was released, and there has not been a new version released since then (yes, the .NET 3.0 has shipped, but it includes the .NET 2.0 in the same form that it originally shipped).

I thought that there already was a bug report on this sisue, but I also looked on the product feedback site and could not find anything. I suggest reporting a bug on the feedback site so that the teams in charge of these features will hear additional feedback and possibly be motivated to revisit this decision.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

unRheal — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:21:16 GMT

Please everyone go BACK and re-vote for the currently open Feedback - since Microsoft keeps closing the old ones saying it was by design!

The current open one is ID: 244131

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

irekpias — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:58:34 GMT

This is big mistake don't include this tool in .NET 2.0 Framework

I spent 2 days trying to run .NET 2.0 apps from network share and failed.

Stupid caspol tool.

At home i'm free from YOURS SUPER EXTRA TECHNOLOGY and keep my hand far away from vista.

Ireneusz Piasecki

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

unRheal — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:01:17 GMT

PS - you can still find all the old ones if you simply search for: mscorcfg

Of all the relevant results, only 244131 is "Active"

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

marathonman — Thu, 11 Jan 2007 17:52:17 GMT

irekpias, I ran into the same issue you did but figured out how to get caspol to behave by playing around with caspol in v1.1 and seeing how it changed things in the GUI tool.

The command you need is:

[path to caspol]\caspol.exe –pp off –m –ag 1 –url file:s:/dir/subdir FullTrust –name NewGroupName

"-pp off" is only necessary if you need to run "silent"

"-m" is to change the machine level

"-ag 1" adds the new policy after the root (group 1)

"-url file:s:/dir/subdir" change s:/dir/subdir to the network drive you have mappted (s: in my example) or to something like //server/share/dir/subdir. You need to specify the location of your executable.

"FullTrust" is where the policy goes. You can specify some other policy or create your own named policy with the rights you need.

"-name NewGroupName" gives the new code group a name so that you can modify it more easily in the future. Of course you can name the group whatever you want.

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

tonderum — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:46:39 GMT

If the concern was that home users were being confused, then Microsoft should have just removed the shortcuts and not the actual mscorcfg.msc and related .dll files. That way admin and deployment people could still actually do their job and home users would not know anything about it

re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

astebner — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:30:39 GMT

Hi Tonderum - Just to clarify, the concern was not only home user confusion, but also the increased size within a package that is designed to be redistributed with other applications. I'm not endorsing this concern in this case, but just wanted to mention some of the factors that went into this decision back then.

I Have the setup File.

Sudeep Srivastava — Thu, 31 May 2007 09:56:57 GMT

Hi All,

i have the setup file. i created it using the WiX source (WXS) file that is given here and the wix2.0. i downloaded(wix-2.0.5325.0-binaries.zip) from the link given in the blog.

if anyone want the setup file then simply mail me.My mail Id is sudeep_srivastava@semanticspace.com. The total size of the setup is 2.1 MB, and it's tested, it's working fine in my organization.

Thanks.

Please mention the "Configuration Tool" in subject

Sudeep Srivastava — Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:06:44 GMT

Hi All,

I am getting request to send the configuration tool and who ever is requesting i am mailing them the tool. i hope you are getting benefited from that.

A simple request from my side: Please mention the "Configuration Tool" in your subject line as sometimes mails comes in my junk mailbox and after looking at the subject i simply delete them without reading the content. So please mention the subject line.

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re: Details about setup for the .NET Framework 2.0 configuration tool

Sudeep Srivastava — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:45:24 GMT

Its been almost one and half year and i am trying my best to give the setup file to whoever asked for it as soon as possible. I have one more request when you ask for the setup. when you mail me, please keep sri_sudeep@yahoo.com in CC as sometime i am not able to send mail from office mailId and specially on weekends i don't access my office mail Id.

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