Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

Tim Anderson — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:47:08 GMT

If you deploy an app via SSP, is there an auto-update mechanism?

Tim

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

hamakaze nihon — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:27:42 GMT

It may seldom be related to a report.

How about carrying out activity from the Microsoft Corporation side, in order to spread Metro UI?

It seems that the activity "Go Metro" is carried out in our country in Japanese Microsoft in fact.

A customer will not follow easily, unless it carries out at least it.

Is [ the back ] flv correspondence impossible one more and a standard [ for WMP ] one?

I think that it is good with at least the codec being attached.

WMP is still 12?

The neighborhood, I would appreciate your favor.

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

JamesJohnston — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:33:00 GMT

Somewhat unrelated... what is with this trend of employees bringing their own devices? I wouldn't "bring" and use my own device for significant work at a job due to the liability concerns. You'd think that would be common sense. Work devices are for work. Home devices are for personal use. Sharing a device is all fun and games until the employee-employer relationship goes south.

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

JamesJohnston — Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:20:01 GMT

"2. Establishing the connection over a classic desktop control panel item is a bad idea. Why not do it Metro-style?"

Exactly what this person said! If Metro is the future, why are you making new things on the desktop? Also, consider that small business owners - even ones without any kind of server at all - will find this very valuable too - not just big corporations with dedicated IT departments and servers. Make sure it's widely accessible and fully usable on Metro.

Especially consider the new Windows Phone 8 ("Apollo") based on Windows 8. Corporations need to manage their apps on those devices, too. What are you going to do, enroll the user on a smartphone using the desktop?! That's why you need a Metro interface.

Or are you just not going to allow line-of-business apps and the other features you describe here on the new Windows Phone 8? That would be dumb, dumb, dumb.

(For the record, I think including the desktop on a smartphone is a GREAT idea for when the phone is plugged into a projector or external monitor, but not so useful on the small smartphone screen itself for obvious reasons. Requiring the smartphone user to plug in a projector to enroll the device is not feasible.)

It's bad enough that you're reinventing the wheel and not allowing the existing group policy / domain infrastructure on WOA/Windows Phone 8/Apollo. This solution you propose here offers too much flexibility. It might be appropriate for a "bring-your-own-device" scenario where you don't want to take too much control away from the user, but not appropriate for a corporate-provided device. For example, a lot of corporations need to deploy a locked-down setup to their mobile devices, which shouldn't allow things like the addition or removal of any apps, or changing many settings.

Imagine a corporation buying a few dozen WOA tablets to be used by low-level personnel at a hospital, for example. Users are going to be doing one thing, and one thing only: working with patient charts using a custom application. They don't need to be allowed to monkey around with things like installing other apps (i.e. games), screwing up the system-wide settings so that the next person to use the device can't do his/her job, or changing the user accounts on the device. It's not what they are paid for. Heck, they don't/shouldn't even have access to the Metro LOB application installer you mention in this article! Let the admins force install apps for users and leave it at that.

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

Johnny Organnelle — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 14:09:45 GMT

Are the manageable VPN settings for DirectAccess, regular RRAS connectoids, or both? Thanks.

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Real McCoy — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:04:24 GMT

@Vlad NC, thats it?

connect.microsoft.com/.../ie-amnesia-forgets-all-user-preferences

social.technet.microsoft.com/.../0aaa80c3-87d3-4ea8-bd3a-c4f1e5b5ce39

answers.microsoft.com/.../6fbe0594-e14f-43c3-a393-c9f52a22b296

superuser.com/.../why-do-i-lose-my-cookies-when-internet-explorer-is-not-shut-down-correctly

connect.microsoft.com/.../lost-all-cookies-logged-off-from-all-sites-and-frequently-used-sites-about-tabs-list-without-doing-anything

connect.microsoft.com/.../cookies-lost-upon-crash-or-unexpected-exit

connect.microsoft.com/.../ie9-loses-cookies (Closed as by design.... really?)

and much more if you search on Google/Bing...!

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

Vlad NC — Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:09:06 GMT

@Xero & @pmbAustin

I also experience the issue with lost passwords/cookies/most visited sites. It happened to me multiple times after crashes, and as you say it's extremely annoying and frustrating.

Microsoft, please fix it. It has been reported on connect, reproduced by multiple users, and your engineers still marked it as not reproducible.

The issues on connect:

connect.microsoft.com/.../new-tab-page-loses-activity-history-shows-only-sites-visited-today-and-passwords-lost-at-same-time

connect.microsoft.com/.../ie9-crash-wipes-all-user-data

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Xero — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 21:25:24 GMT

@pmgAustin, indeed .. it also forgets most popular site in about:Tabs and the page is blank as its my first time I opened the IE!

@DanyRodier1, as a workaround, rather counting on the auto-fill ease-of-access, I use the Remember Password functionality of webpage.

@IE10-Team,

1- [Quick Tabs]

Please make the Quick Tabs (ctrl+Q) enabled by default in desktop version and bring about some enhancements in it, such as; display resource consumption and volume control for each-tab. Also display the combined volume control of IE outstandingly on the Quick Tabs view. Moreover, allow users to multi-select the tabs by dragging the mouse on QT view and select/deselect them while holding the Ctrl key. Then make them carry out the combo operations like: close-selected-tabs, group-selected-tabs, save-group as a pinned site, mark-favorite and yada yada.

2- [F12 Developer Tools]

2a. If you guys also bring some aesthetical and performance improvements in F12 Developer Tools, that would be an extra treat! Besides there are more things to consider:

2a. While inspecting with the F12 developer tools, the asynchronous page update doesn't immediately update the code in devtools’ HTML tab. We need to close and reopen devtools to seek the updated code.

2b. When we click 'edit' in the HTML tab, it should narrow down the code to that of the selected tag and it's innerHTML (only) in edit mode.

2c. Implement autocomplete for Style while creating or editing rules in both CSS and HTML tabs.

2d. Preview of images onmouseover in tags such as <img src=....>, <input type=image....> or image embedded in stylesheet.

2e. Implement an easy way to add a new Style rule in HTML tab rather than switching to the CSS tab. For example; pressing <enter> for the first time should highlight-to-edit the name of the selected rule, next <enter> should switch the focus to that rule’s value then next rule's name and its value and since so forth, until it reaches the end of "that selector" (only). After that, the next <enter> should cause the creation of new rule's name-value pair under that selector. So this way, if the users have to create new rule promptly, rather than going to CSS tab and find the selector then right click to select AddRule, within the (right-side: Styles of) HTML tab, they select the last value of the desired selector and hit enter to create a new rule.

3- [IE Shortcuts]

3a. While holding Ctrl, if we click the "back" or "forward" button of Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer, the corresponding page should be opened in a new tab (in case of IE) and new window (in WinExplorer's case). This shortcut is present in EVERY non-IE browsers so at least provide this *missing shortcut* in IE10.

3b. While holding the Ctrl button if you press 0 (zero) on qwerty keyboard, the zoomed page is reverted to normal. But if the 0 is pressed on numpad, the shortcut doesn't work. Since Ctrl + numpad-0-key is not reserved for any action, please override this shortcut as EVERY non-IE browser does.

4- [Download Hub]

A system-wide "Download Hub" (similar to Users\..\Download folder) would be a time saver. Be it the IE-metro/desktop download, torrent/p2p or manually entered URL(connect.microsoft.com/.../create-download-in-ie-download-manager), all kinds of downloads must be carried out and managed from a single hub. This is where we would be able to segregate the downloads on the basis of responsible app and manage their downloads which may also help to avoid the redundancy. Currently, IE metro and IE desktop have separate download managers. With Firefox 14, there would be a similar manager as of IE and Chrome has its own. The extension can be provided to App/Metro devs so they have choice to make the in-app downloads via download hub.

Would be very obliged if a real member of the IE-Team consider reading the comment.

re: Managing "BYO" PCs in the enterprise (including WOA)

pmbAustin — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:58:28 GMT

@Xero, it does more than forget passwords and auto-fill... it completely blows away cookies. I go to some sites that "remember" threads I've read in cookies, and when a bad shutdown happens, it completely loses everything. All marked/tagged threads are gone. It's VERY annoying and frustrating, and you're right, this absolutely needs to be fixed.

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DanyRodier1 — Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:57:27 GMT

@Xero,

Indeed, it works fine, that is, it fills in credentials correctly. But this was not my issue. Contrary to the autofill feature on Chrome and Firefox, on IE one has to enter the first letter or to click in the field to make credentials appear. For example, each time I go to my blog on Wordpress I need to type the first letter of my username or click in the username field to get my credentials filled in. When one does that several times a day, it gets really annoying. On Chrome and Firefox, credentials are already there as the webpage opens, one only has to type/click enter. This is one thiny difference that makes a big difference on a daily basis.