Microsoft, IE and the Web Standards Project

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re: Microsoft, IE and the Web Standards Project

LFERC — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:53:18 GMT

Well, at least we get to look forwards to new and more interesting rendering bugs that IE7 will be creating. Horray.

I, for one, just adore endlessly banging my head on the monitor trying to get IE6 to look halfway decent.

Oh, and now IE7 takes over the system when we install it?

Sigh..

Here's hoping OSX 10.5 comes with a virtualizer configured well enough to run IE6 and IE7 in parallel.

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Tweak Vista — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:53:06 GMT

Well, at least we get to look forwards to new and more interesting rendering bugs that IE7 will be creating. Horray.

I, for one, just adore endlessly banging my head on the monitor trying to get IE6 to look halfway decent.

Oh, and now IE7 takes over the system when we install it?

Sigh..

Here's hoping OSX 10.5 comes with a virtualizer configured well enough to run IE6 and IE7 in parallel.

re: Microsoft, IE and the Web Standards Project

Meubelstoffering — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:52:44 GMT

Great post and while I can understand where you're coming from with the anger and frustration. It's been said before but I applaud you for fighting the good fight. Cheers!

However.

In comparison to the many years the entire web community has spent frustrated, pissed off, mad, etc. due to IE's all encompassing problems out weighs any amount of frustration, anger or pain from the IE 7 development team. I'm sorry, but the best response you'll get from us is most likely a weak acknowledgement that doesn't contain explicatives.

That will be your recognition. Take it or leave it, I don't care and I doubt the rest of the web development community will either. I refuse to throw you a parade for everything IE has put us through.

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Webhosting — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:52:27 GMT

Chris, I was a Microsoft-basher who has been mostly won back by the great things Anders is doing with C#, C# Express, VS 2005, F# and IronPython, C-Omega, LINQ, SQL Server 2005 and Express, and, yes, IE7. Oh, and Raymond Chen's blog, the IE blog, and a lot of other MS bloggers. It's all really impressive stuff. I love the transparent PNG support, the CSS fixes, and the native XMLHttpRequest object. I think you guys made the right decision on the * html hack.

But I'm a Firefox user, and I can't imagine switching back any time soon. IE5 and IE6 really were innovative for their time. It took years of benign neglect for MS to alienate the web community. Rome wasn't rebuilt in a day. You want to convince us you won't let IE die on the vine again, take your time. Convince us next year. And the year after that. You want our trust? Earn it.

We do have MS to thank for AJAX, though. XMLHttpRequest is the greatest thing to happen to the web in a long time, and what the IE team accomplished with -- oh, wait, that was the Outlook Web Access team that invented that. Never mind.

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Webdesign — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:50:52 GMT

Chris,

Good post, man. Keep speaking/spreading/implementing that message.

The problem is that you have to battle backlash from the past 5 years or so. I think you'd agree that in those years MS kinda screwed over the web community (otherwise, you and Bill, and everyone else wouldn't be apologizing). And coming from a user perspective, history has taught us that apologies are cheap in a land where virtually anyone will say virtually anything to get public support (take a look at everything from politics to mass-marketing). So to us, it can feel like we're the fly that finally got he horse to shake it's tail. The horse doesn't really want to shake its tail, but it's tired of getting bitten. In order words, it can feel like Microsoft is "putting up" with standards instead of really embracing them.

Of course the positive spin on the situation is that since relatively few people seriously expect Microsoft to be "all about" doing IE the right way, you are being presented with a golden opportunity to hit a home run. You can release browser software over the next few years that shuts up the adversaries and regains some prestige to the Microsoft name (which it could use these days). Congratulations, you're the underdog. "Wow" us!

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