Observing a new Windows Vista User

Observing a new Windows Vista User

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So, it's been a while since 'Rigo installed Windows Vista RC1, and I have been intrigued watching him adapt.

He used to have Google as his home page, Trillian as his IM client, Firefox as his browser.

He now has Windows Live as his home page (customised with his favorite feeds), Windows Live Messenger for IM, Windows Live Toolbar, Windows Live Favorites, IE7 and has tweaked the sidebar.

So, is he a convert???

Game, Set & Match

  • Family is almost the toughest sell... good job Microsoft/Mr Arrigo Snr.

    The question is, will he spread this with his peer group.  That's the ultimate test!
  • He's using Live Messenger becuase Vista breaks Trillian (no one would ever go back from Trillian to MSN Messenger volentarily), he's using Windows Live Toolbar because it nagged him into submmission, he's using IE 7 because it's there and it works and isn't the poison that IE 6, which isn't to say he wants to be there, it just is there already. Not exactly ringing endorsement, and the sidebar tweak? Probably because it's such a pain in the ass to turn off.

    And then there is remote desktop that requires you to login first and then logs in as if it was local and puts the freakin domain into the user name.... hello! We're doing remote desktop! The login is "administrator" not "ipaddress\administrator" or "webaddress\administrator" people! (and thus it doesn't work and adds yet another step to my daily routine just like Vista does everywhere (i.e. the stupid 'James Hancock' instead of "my documents" and UAC or whatever the heck they're calling it. Glad i can turn that off too, but then I still can't be an administrator even if I want to be administrator because even that account isn't really administrator even with UAC disabled because IIS 7 won't let me debug with Vs.net 2005.

    Steps to make Vista useful after first boot (I kid you not):

    Kill the setup wizard on startup so that it doesn't create a lame account.
    Boot to safe mode, reenable the admin account
    Boot with admin account.
    Turn off UAC.
    Go through 3 screens to get rid of that stupid useless Sidebar thing that is a huge disappointment and a waste of space and memory.
    Fight with remote desktop
    Right click on the network icon and tell it to animate. Go through 5 screens just to get to the network status screen instead of right click, "status" and even then I have to go into another screen just to get the damn IP address.
    Then I have to right click on my desktop and choose personalize and then go into yet another screen, which then brings up the screen that it should bring up right away just so that I can set screen resolution. And heck, it isn't even integrated into the window that came up first which completely defeats the purpose of the screen.  (and nvidia can do this with their control panel, so why the heck isn't it done in Vista??? Answer this thing isn't even close to finished or polished)

    Vista is a half-done mess of horrible UI design (back buttons at the top left instead of beside the next button and graphical when the next button is text, screens that popup as dialogs when th rest of the interface is HTML style in one window, lame networking interface stuff that makes it harder to do a tech support person's job in EVERY CASE unless a ipconfig /release / renew is all that is needed to solve it, but then that was just as easy in XP.  And that's just a subset. I have a list of about 30 things that are going to make my life more difficult, not less and make my tech support agents want to scream every single day.

    This is not intutitive and not at all better than XP for 99% of everyday tasks.  Even for morons that don't know how to use computers, the moment something goes wrong this is going to be harder for them to fix, and worse, for the people that help the morons it's going to be harder for them to fix or walk the morons through fixing.

    You've done a great job of making sure that there will be a huge aftermarket club of software to fix all of these various stupidities and inconsistancies and made sure that you keep IT people very busy fixing stuff.

    So if that was the purpose of Vista, you've done an excellent job. If it wasn't, then you've failed horribly. (and yes I've given this some time, and it's still horrible after 2 weeks of using it solid on my machine)

    But then the same thing happened with SQL Management studio too which is a disaster UI wise and then there is the buggy POS that is Vs.net 2005 and then there is Windows INstaller that requires that SQL Server has 7 things in the add/remove programs and has a wrapper around windows installer to install everything because of Bugs in Windows Installer from 1998 that still haven't been fixed.

    You guys need to call me or someone else that is an expert at UI and consistancy to clean house and drive the ship on UI design and implimentation based on real-world cases. Because obviously whatever you're doing now to test this stuff is just so completely flawed as to create a disaster. Linux is actually easier to use than Windows at this point. SAD. (another i.e.: The stop button goes on the left not the right of the damn address bar. I am not over on the right side of the screen, I'm on the left side by default you're just making me go further for nothing. Same deal with refresh. And the down arrow for back is on the forward button!!!! what the heck was someone thinking??? HELLO? A list associated with "back" and it's on the freakin forward button!!!! Whoever came up with that one should be taken out back and shot. But then IE 7 is just another example of 0 logic applied to UI. You let the pixel pushers define interfaces instead of people that know what they're doing.  Put them back in their cage and get people that understand logic and reason to build simple UIs that are at your fingertips and right where your mouse is likely to be at all times. This stuff is CRAP.

    And heck, even the eye candy is boring. The only thing that normal users will ever see is maybe the 3d flip but even then they probably don't know what ALT+TAB is so they won't see that and aero glass? most people have their windows maximized and guess what? YOu don't see it! (And the sidebar will be shut off as soon as they figure out how... the only reason why it will be on most people's screens is because they haven't figured out how to get the damn thing to go away and give them back their screen relestate which is the biggest problem for application developers now anyhow, and youv'e just made it worse.  This is the HTML Desktop crap all over again with exactly the same problems as the last time in Windows 98.... and guess what? You turned that off by default pretty quickly too.

    Insanity.  Here's hoping that there is going to be a Vista SE released within 12-18 months after Vista that actually gets this stuff right and finishes this mess, because the way it is now I will be telling every one of my clients to stay away until Microsoft finishes Vista completely and unscrews the interface.
  • A troll might ask, is the point here how well one does adapt to Vista/Live or the other way around? And if one does "convert" easily does that just suggests good work on selecting the features. Personally I do think IE7 is good, though the accessibility of the UI feel a bit worse coming from IE6 for some parts, especially favorites which worked a lot better in IE6, however my experience is solely on Vista Beta 2. I haven't tried things under the Live umbrella so no comment there, signed up for Messenger beta though so shall see.



  • Isn't this just further proof that Microsoft is abusing their monopoly? By "bundling" IE7, Windows Live Messenger, and making the Live Search the default in IE7, Microsoft has once again used its dominant position in the operating systems area to give itself an unfair advantage. No applications from competitors get to come bundled with Windows.
  • James

    That is like saying that BMW is abusing its position by giving you BMW Tyres, BMW Stero, BMW Steering Wheel and BMW Floormats. Sure you can replace any one of these if you like, but why would you?

    When i buy anything i like it to be useful out of the box... If all the features the 95% of windows users
    want are there when they turn it on, they are happy customers. Why would microsoft make their customers unhappy by making them make feature/application decisions they often dont understand and dont really need to make?

    If your a serious techie and really want to customise the hell out of your operating system... why not just install linux and rewrite the OS to suit your needs and leave the rest of us happy Vista Users in ignorant bliss:)

    Thanks for your feedback

    Nick
  • Nick, I actually do use Ubuntu, but I'm running into a few problems...

    I recently asked for some information about a job I was interested in applying for and the reply contained a Word document. This would be all well and good if the Word document file format wasn't proprietary and secret, but Microsoft have decided that they will prevent Microsoft users from communicating with non-Microsoft users by making the Word file format secret. Some programs can open them, but only because they tried to reverse engineer the file format.

    I also was trying to listen to a radio station online, where the stream was in the Windows Media Audio format. Again, secret (and patented) format means that I have to break the law (infringe Microsoft patents) in order to play the file.

    So yes, I will just not use Vista, and because Microsoft is trying to exclude me and prevent me from communicating with others just because I use non-Microsoft software, I will encourage everyone I know not to use Microsoft software. Microsoft doesn't realise how much this is going to hurt them. Google was so successful because geeks like them. Why do geeks like Google? Because they give people choice. They don't attempt to lock-in users like Microsoft does.
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