Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

yamimbe — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:05:27 GMT

I'm sure he gets plenty of flak (after all he works for MS). That aside he could be a good guy, but his company is a vicious, ruthless, monopoly. They will stop at nothing and do anything, buy, bribe, cajole and garner leverage in the U.S. with cash.... ummm marketing assistance, campaign donations etc. (the same in Africa).. the EU is the only salvation as the U.S. will do nothing pertinent even states that want to continue against them are "discouraged" by the justice dept.

MS can't be trusted and their direct actions as well as those through "proxy" companies they ummm invest in. They over charge, treat you as a criminal and laugh cause they can get away with it...

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Frank — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:33:59 GMT

Garretts >> "We're looking to help them make their products even better"

Oh really!? Already smarter and better than MS IIS, and now, even better?

Why would you need to run HTTPD/Tomcat on Windows anyway?

MS has got to learn to appreciate:

- International Standards

- Open Source (genuine passion and ideas without proprietary motives)

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Sean McCann — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:25:43 GMT

If the Apache team wanna go to Redmond to talk to MicroSoft thats up to them. If apache runs better under windows 2008 as a result then its a good thing. The apache guys are smart guys.

The fact is that MS is going to be around for a long time. Windows 2008 has a large ISP target demographic that will run Apache or Tomcat. Apache is the largest internet server , Microsoft would be nuts to spurn the chance to talk to them.

Also can we cut Garret some slack, I'm sure he gets enough grief in work over open source and some of the zealots. At least he has the balls to post it on his blogg and give us an insight into whats going on.

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Adam Hoka — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:47:40 GMT

A better supported lighttpd on Windows would make more sense. :)

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

CautiousOne — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:50:51 GMT

Seems the moderator doesn't want to publish negative feedback... that will be noted in other blogs, for sure

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Tom Sherman — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:49:14 GMT

And, really... What would be a problem with an even better Apache HTTPD that ran on Windows?

The Fact it is "Windows" and "Microsoft" aspirations of world domination of software and user lockin!!

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

yamimbe — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:45:15 GMT

You can't trust Microsoft ..... if it wasn't for OSS they would never have got their "cluster" to work I was at the meeting where that was "officially said".

Apache runs just fine, the largest driving force for it on "Windows" is "Microsoft". I'm for interoperability but with MS there is an obvious danger in association .... WARNING WILL ROBINSON!! don't go ... "keep your friends close, your enemies closer" OSS is a cancer in their eyes they are looking to "DESTROY" their stated cancer.

Yes I use some MS products (SuSe Enterprise arrrghhhh!!!) and yes I have been testing "2008", it is prudent to have an understanding and level of knowledge in order to handle things you run accross...

that said, watch for the knife that is aimed for your back....

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Phil — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:36:15 GMT

"And, really... What would be a problem with an even better Apache HTTPD that ran on Windows?"

I think the better question is...what would be the benefit? For Apache there seems to be little. While your intent may be good your company is still about the bottom line. You should really take a look at some of the antics your company has pulled to understand why most FOSS supporters don't see this as a good move.

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Rambo Tribble — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:31:51 GMT

It is obvious that Microsoft is trying to adapt to a changing software landscape. While that does little to validate the purity of its corporate intent, it is discouraging to see so many unwilling to give detente a chance.

re: Apache Developers Invited to Redmond

Alonso — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:02:50 GMT

Given Microsoft's tendency to "appropriate" other's ideas, I would not trust this company in any way.

GarretS last comment, "And, really... What would be a problem with an even better Apache HTTPD that ran on Windows?", is really telling of the one-sided relationship that Microsoft seeks to harbor.

Apache is doing very well AS IS. Microsfot is only looking to gain advantages for its own products at the expense of other people's innovation and hard work- for profit and without contributing back to the community.

Apache, read this: DO NOT GO!