Visual Studio 2008 Cert Story Almost Complete

Visual Studio 2008 Cert Story Almost Complete

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I know a lot of you are waiting for this and I do apologize for the delay.  The issue with this current certification path is in the changes reflected in the product, coupled with the Technology Specialist certifications that are about to release.

Early next year, right around the official product launches of Visual Studio, SQL Server and Server 2008, you will see 5 new TS level certifications.   Well 3 for sure and possibly 5.

These certifications are focused on specific aspects of .NET 3.5.  Windows Presentation Foundation, Windows Communication Foundation, Windows Workflow, ADO.NET and ASP.NET.  The two latter certs being the later released of the five.

As a result, these 5 TS certifications have a tendancy to muddy the waters for not just the Professional level space, but also blurring the lines between, or potentially eliminating, the 3 previous silos of Windows Developer, Web Developer and Enterprise Developer.

Although the 5 TS certs do have some mapping to each of these silos, there isn't a clear picture of where they belong.  This is why I asked the question in an earlier post about the term Web Developer and what comes to mind.

We have comitted internally to a time frame for this final story, and once that is communicated inside MSL, we will formulate the necessary communication out to you.

Comments are welcome on your opinions and how you use these technologies in the real world.

 

Gerry

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  • Hi Gerry,

    I just finished my MCPD (Web Dev) and am happy that there will be an upgrade path from 2.0 to 3.5 for the MCPD!  Two quick questions for you:

    1) It sounds like the 3 current TS certs (web, windows, enterprise) are going to be phased out.  So, will the 70-536 exam stay, get updated for 3.5, and be the base exam for the new TS certs?  Then, after passsing the 536, there will be a choice of 5 TS certs for 3.5?  Would there then by FIVE MCPDs; one  for each aspect of .NET?

    2)  Any word on a timeline for the upgrade exams for 2.0 to 3.5?  Would they ideally be available around the same time everything else is?

    Thanks for your time!

    Dave Busch

  • Hi Gerry,

    I just finished my MCPD (Web Dev) and am happy that there will be an upgrade path from 2.0 to 3.5 for the MCPD!  Two quick questions for you:

    1) It sounds like the 3 current TS certs (web, windows, enterprise) are going to be phased out.  So, will the 70-536 exam stay, get updated for 3.5, and be the base exam for the new TS certs?  Then, after passsing the 536, there will be a choice of 5 TS certs for 3.5?  Would there then by FIVE MCPDs; one  for each aspect of .NET?

    2)  Any word on a timeline for the upgrade exams for 2.0 to 3.5?  Would they ideally be available around the same time everything else is?

    Thanks for your time!

    Dave Busch

  • Hi Dave, congratulations on completing your MCPD Web Developer!

    For question 1;

    The 3 current TS certs are sort of being phased out.  We currently have 5 TS exams releasing over the next few months, WPF, WCF, WF, ADO.NET and ASP.NET.  We will be creating one more, WinForms.

    So, the TS cert story will look like this;

    70-536 will remain as the foundation.  It will be renamed to remove 2.0 from the title and will remain valid for 2.0 and 3.5.  The changes in the CLR are not significant enough to warrant a rewrite of this exam.

    Once you pass 536, you can acheive the following TS certs;

    TS: Windows Presentation Foundation 70-502

    TS: Windows Workflow 70-504

    TS: ASP.NET Developer

    TS: Distributed Developer (ADO.NET + WCF)

    TS: WinForms Developer (new exam)

    At this time, I don't think we will have 5 MCPD certs that map as above but we need to ensure the correct mapping of technologies into the Pro level where they make sense correctly.

    2) The upgrade exams timeline cannot be determined until the Pro level exams are created as they feed into the upgrade story.  My plan is not to release MCPD exams at the same time as the TS exams but rather 6 months to 1 year after the TS releases.  The rationale is to ensure that the technology has had enough time in market so that we can identify, true "Pro" level candidates and tasks so we can create a relevant and real world exam with appropriate content.

    Hopefully that makes sense.

    Gerry

  • I am an MCPD 2.0.  Do you know how many exams will be required to achieve an MCPD 2.0 to MCPD 3.5 upgrade?

    Thanks for the information.

  • Hi Joe.

    At present, we are planning on keeping the same three silos of Web, Windows and Enterprise.

    As a result, I want to maintain a one exam upgrade path for MCPD 2.0 to 3.5.  The only unknown at this time is if the Enterprise will have one or two exams.  Because you are going from MCPD 2.0 and not MCAD or MCSD, there is a good chance we can create one upgrde exam for MCPD Enterprise 2.0 to MCPD Enterprise 3.5.

    That is what I am aiming towards however, the content will dictate that more than anything else.  ie, how much material needs to be covered to go from 2.0 to 3.5.

    Gerry

  • Hi Gerry,

    I'm sorry for asking something that's been asked before, I just want to make 100 % sure before spending money on a course.  I am about to buy course material for the 536 exam.  Will there be no change in the course material or exam for 536 when the new 3.5 stuff is released?

    Thanks a lot!

    Linda

  • Hi Linda.

    You are completely safe in continuing with the existing courseware for the 536 exam.  There will be no change in the exam or the course materials for .NET 3.5.

    Because it is the pre-req for both .Net 2.0 and 3.5, you are starting with the correct exam.

    Gerry

  • Hi Gerry,

    Some questions on if the 3.5 MCPD upgrades will “refresh” your 2.0 certifications? (the three year thing)

    I have a MCPD in Windows Clients.  Suppose I take the MCPD 2.0 to 3.5 upgrade, does that also renew my 2.0 Windows Clients MCTS?  Would I automatically get the 3.5 Winforms MCTS in the upgrade?

    I also have a MCTS in Distributed Applications and was aiming the MCPD (ie missing two exams).  Is completing the 2.0 stuff and then upgrading to the 3.5 MCPD the best option if the 3.5 MCPD is my objective? Once you touch WCF, you never want to go back. :)

    The thought of having to renew each exam is fine from a technical perspective but the time and cost is somewhat daunting...

    Thanks!

    René

  • I've just completed the 70-526 MCTS Winforms in .NET 2.0. Is that now obsolete, and I'll need to redo that all again in .NET 3.5 ? Any info on this new TS: WinForms Developer for 3.5 yet ?

    What about the 70-548 Pro Winforms in .NET 2.0 ? Is there any point starting on that at this time, or should I just wait for the 3.5 version - or is there not going to be one ?

    As for WPF - I'll leave the Winforms-v-WPF debate for another time!

    Thanks,

    Andy

  • Is 70-528, 70-527, 70-529, 70-547, 70-548, 70-549 will be totally remove? Can I have a refund for the books that I bought for MCPD? 70-547, 70-548, 70-549 ...

    Is this like in MCAD/MCSD, there is option which exams you like to take is it for 2.0 or 3.5?

    How long will these exams be available? When will MCPD Web Developer, MCPD Window Developer, and MCPD Enterprise Developer be available?

  • Hi Arnold.

    No, these exams are not going away just yet.

    No, you cannot get a refund for your books from Microsoft, perhaps you can get a refund where you bought them, that is up to your book seller.

    I'm not sure what you mean by an option for which exams you like to take.  The certifications for .NET 2.0 are clearly outlined on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx for MCTS certifications and http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcpd/default.mspx for the Pro certifications.

    If you are referring to the 2.0 exams you mention in your post, they will be available until mainstream product support for .NET 2.0 retires officially from Microsoft.  Likely for another 2 to 3 years at a minimum.

    Gerry

  • As for 70-548 Pro Winforms in .NET 2.0, I took and passed that, so no great shakes anyway. Very strange exam though - I hope the 3.5 version (if there is one) will be much less subjective!

  • Hi Gerry,

    You didn't answer my questions... :(

    I missed the "Microsoft Certification for Developers" webcast. Do you know if there's a recording available?  Can't find it...

    Thanks.

    René

  • Hi Gerry:

    I read this thread and I am still a bit lost.  I am a MCPD Enterprise on 2.0.  I understand that there are 2 upgrade exams for 3.5 (70-568 and 70-569).  I assume that these 2 exams are composite exams (much like 70-554 had content from 70-529 & 70-549).  If so, what are the base exams (70-503, 70-504, & 70-505?  Others?)

    Thanks

  • Hi James,

    These are composite exams, correct.

    The best I can offer is to have you check out the prep guides for them.  Rather than concentrate on what exams they are comprised of, use the prep guide to understand what is covered on each.  That will provide you with a more focused effort for study and preparation.

    Gerry

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