Thats right, this Live Meeting is taking place tomorrow, Wednesday May 22, 2008.
Tune in to hear more about the certification paths for MCTS and MCPD on .NET 3.5. Pester us with questions, throw eggs, whatever you’re in the mood for. :-)
The post states Wed May 22, but May 22 is today Thursday.
Thanks for your comments during the meeting today...
My main question a bit better explained is this...
I did the upgrade path of 551,552 & 554.. Since 553 was just the MCTS for Web & Win will there be something like that again
So that MCPD Web to MCPD ASP.NET will give MCTS ASP.NET requirement
MCPD WIndows to MCPD Windows 3.5 will give you the Windows MCTS
Will they the only parts of say Part 1 and Part 2 covers WCF, ADO and the Pro?
Suppose its a bit far off to expect a definitive answer at this point?
Also in relation to the Master certification which came in only at the end of the presentation and that really tweaked my interest!!! Any more on that????
Hopefully you didn't miss the meeting as a result. I know you are using the standard calendar but my PC is using the Gerry calendar. Always a day behind but a day ahead at the same time. :-)
Sorry for the confusion.
Hi Niall, thanks for you questions in the Live Meeting and clarifying here.
When you take an upgrade exam, it is designed such that it gives you the MCPD and MCTS credentials at the same time.
I have to verify our paths with Jeff but we did discuss the Enterprise upgrades giving you the necessary MCTS as well. As long as the components of the MCTS exam are required for an MCPD, the upgrades will contain those components and give the MCTS credential as well.
Now, for the Masters program. It wasn't designed to slide in at the end, like a cliffhanger, it just happened that way. :-)
At this time, I can't comment on it as the full details are not public, but consider it on par with the Ranger program we had for Exchange and SQL if you are familiar with those.
I will have the group that is responsible to the Masters and the MCA programs write guest blog posts here once they have their external communications in place.
It is worth waiting for, trust me. :-)
Thanks for the presentation.
It was very well put together and i think it gave everyone a very good idea of how to proceed with certifications. I don't think it could have been explained any clearer.
Also, i think the new 3.5 certifications/upgrades are very well planned. Very smooth transition from .Net 2.0 and much better structured than the old MCAD/MCSD.
The one complaint i guess i have though is the long time some of the certifications will take time to go live. The MCTS level 70-561 & 70-562 won't go live until August. The PRO level & Upgrade from .Net 2.0 exams won't go live until November.
I'm sure planning certification exams, getting feedback via the beta exams and all that is a lot of complicated work :). I guess SQL Server 2008 and Windows Server 2008 being released in the same year won't have helped either.
But still, the exams being released 1 year after the VS 2008/.net 3.5 release is a bit late, especially considering that the timespan of a .net/VS version is only 3 years before the next version is released.
I've been getting career conscious lately and try to master the new version of asp.net as soon as it is released. Waiting until November to give the PRO level exams is going to be agonizing :)
I made the decision to go for the 70-536 certification after following your webcast. With 20+ years in another language (DataFlex & VDF) I realized that in order to find a job that doesn't require me to relocate, I need to update my skill sets.
Currently I have a 90-day trial of Visual Studios 2008 along with a 2003 version loaded on my laptop. The recommended books for 70-536 are built around VS 2005 and .Net Framework 2.0.
Do I plug through the manuals using VS 2008 or should I find and use a copy of VS 2005?
If so, is there any problems with loading VS 2005 after 2008?
And, are there trial copies of the VS 2005 available?
I'm glad the Live Meetings are successful and valuable for you when preparing for certifications.
I know that a lot of people wonder about the lag in certain exams hitting market and why some seem to take longer than others.
There are many contributing factors to this such as budgets, identification of experts to work on them, length of time to create them, number of qualified participants taking the beta exams, and I could go on and on.
I actually like the fact that the Pro level exams are delayed because it gives developers enough time to actually learn the new features of a product and become, "Pros" using the technology. It gives you time to prepare.
You shouldn't see similar delays for the next version of Visual Studio and .NET however.
I know the feeling. I was a hard core VB6 developer and didn't want to change at all until I saw how .NET was taking off. I made the decision to learn .NET programming and I haven't looked back until now. I code in VB.NET and C# currently with some Java experience, but I am going back and learning C/C++. I'm hoping it will give me a better edge in embedded programming.
But, back to your questions.
70-536 was designed around Visual Studio 2005 when it was created. However, the changes in the core language components that are part of the CLR and the .NET Framework, have not changed significantly enough to affect this exam. As a result, it is still a requirement for .NET 3.5 Framework exams and is still completely relevant. You can practice for this exam using either version of Visual Studio, 2005 or 2008.
The only issues that you will encounter by installing VS 2005 after VS 2008 is already present, is around web applications mostly.
Each time you install a version of the .NET Framework, it registers components of its runtime on the system. I have noticed issues with Web apps written in VS 2008 no longer functioning correctly in IIS after I installed VS 2005. I simply ran the install of VS2008 again and chose the repair option, and all is back to normal again.
If you want to create an app in VS 2008 but run it using VS 2005 or the 2.0 version of the framework, you can select the framework target when you build the solution in VS 2008.
Other than that, the two version will work side-by-side with no issues that I have come across yet.
As for trial copies of VS 2005, yes. Mostly found in the training kits from MS Press but I don't see a download link on the MSDN site for the 2005 evals, only 2008.
Hope this answers your questions.
I missed the live meeting. I am wondering if the live meeting will be made avaiable as a webcast?
Yes it will be posted shortly. I am just waiting to hear from Trika for the link.
I will post it here when it is available.
Any news on the link?
Tricky Trika has posted it when I wasn't looking. :-)
You can find the recording of the session here,
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/community under the live MEeetings section or on Trika's blog (tag: Live Meetins)
Gerry, you're great. I apologize for my inadvertent trickiness and applaud your excellent answers to these questions. I always learn something over here...
We miss you upstairs. Come visit 18/3rd N!
LOL, I knew that would get your attention Trika. :-)
Yes, I have to take a trip up to the 3rd floor to get some SWAG from you. :-)