It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

re: It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

HeatherLeigh — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:01:23 GMT

Yeah, the consensus topic is an interesting one. I have little tolerance for it in some situations. Sometimes I would just rather someone make a decision...any decision. We tend to beat topics to death and I'm more of a do-er.

What we were trying to do is a lot less exact than software dev. Not matter what we come up with, and what resulting resumes we generate, there's still uncertaintly in terms of how well the person will do in an interview. So perhaps we have more tolerance for just pulling together something roughly. I'm not sure that being precise is necessary or helpful in this case.

re: It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

Neal — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:46:05 GMT

Thanks so much - what you wrote got me thinking - consensus is so heavily valued around me that starting something off w/out the assumption that consensus would be reached is a good one.

I think I meant what you wrote around diminishing returns - I was thinking that spending 2 days delving into the tiny details wouldn't be worth it but that spending an hour or so to get the general background would. In s/w development I've argued that we can spend weeks specifying every small detail but that we shouldn't - instead doing something general (for a day) working on whatever that is for a few weeks to see where it gets us and then re-evaluating.

re: It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

HeatherLeigh — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:52:11 GMT

As a first step, we looked at resumes, pulled off experience and education factors and had some conversation around their value. We asked what else we would have liked to have seen on resumes and we talked about what skills need to go together. We spent about an houron it and walked away with some good info that I need to work to get some profiles. What we were not trying to do was drive for consensus. It should be reasonably stright-forward to pull together some hiring profiles and build prospext generation plans around them. They were all engaged in the conversation.

I don't understand the question around diminishing returns. We didn't put them in a room and tell them they couldn't come out until they all agreed on one hiring profile. It was basically a market research exercise and we got the info we needed; I just need to manipulate it so that it's actionable for our prospecting team. Hope that makes sense. I feel really good about the meeting. But I still have some work to do on the deliverable.

re: It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

Neal — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:00:06 GMT

I'm curious to know how this turned out? Did the DLT come prepared with suggestions? Or were some engaged and others not so much. I ask because I honestly wonder if there is a bit of futility involved - certainly a good basis of information is necessary and a one-liner won't do it - but it'd seem to me like there'd be diminishing returns to how long you spend defining the characteristics and the resulting candidates that this helps you search for - that's my bias - and I've recently had a lot of people disagree with me - so ... I'm curious to know how it turned out -

re: It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

Laura G — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:10:39 GMT

LOL...yes – a little sick is right, but I know whatcha mean. Not exactly raindrops on roses or whiskers on kittens…but to each their own!

Along the same lines, one of my favorite things about recruiting (--hiring profile meetings with HM's voluntary & inspired input is AWESOME, btw) is working with HM's to create/refine job descriptions. I just love gathering the info, translating it into the appropriate form, collecting feedback from the hiring team, ensuring all the I's are dotted & T's are crossed, and when all has been reviewed, approved & posted, then reaping the benefits (candidate pool-wise) of a well crafted job description. Have been fortunate to work in a smaller market within a large corp, where a lot of collaboration and innovation had been encouraged and took place as far as developing market-wide tools. I also just enjoy working on projects amidst the day-to-day corp recruiting grind. Not only are these side projects a nice challenge, but they also serve to improve the overall process…and these are just a few of my favorite things!

re: It's like all my little girl dreams coming true at once

William — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:10:55 GMT

Nah, when you love what you do... it is fun. Putting it on the line, the opportunity to win (again), anticipating what your going to learn, contributing to the team etc.

'Kinda like why I climb 14ers. To most who are "clothed in their right mind" I am certifiable (as in crazy). Only those that enjoy alpine backpacking understand what drives me.

We "get it" Heather

8~)

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