HTML5 Video

re: HTML5 Video

OGGTV.com - William Lacy — Mon, 10 May 2010 12:43:42 GMT

This shows IE9 already playing OGG-video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZOaB_Cg4DU

The second Platform Preview is required.

re: HTML5 Video

Mark — Sun, 09 May 2010 21:01:48 GMT

As you've provided no details at all about the problem you had, I think a logical conclusion is: "Robert's arrogance in assuming that our time is well-spent reading his silly little rant approximately equals his ignorance of proper web development practices."

re: HTML5 Video

Robert Folkerts — Sun, 09 May 2010 19:06:01 GMT

While I look forward to you improved support of standards not invented by Microsoft, I want to tell you that I just spent the last hour screwing around with CSS in order to get IE8 to display a reasonable approximation of what all other browsers were displaying as I intended.

While this comment is off topic, it is my clearest channel to express my displeasure with your product. Who are you to determine that my time is best spent correcting you arrogance? Support the standards, as determined by standards organizations, not the cynical manipulations expressed in the Comes vs. Microsoft disclosure statements.

There is no future in being associated with ruined weekends by developers.

re: HTML5 Video

pureocean — Fri, 07 May 2010 19:31:37 GMT

Mr. Hachamovitch,

A question about video (second H264 video after scrolled - video time mark 27:54): http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/KEY02

Where can I download this video of the birds? Very sweet. Or... What is the name of this documantery? I would be grateful if you give information.

re: HTML5 Video

Gaz — Fri, 07 May 2010 03:56:32 GMT

This is a shame, not unexpected but a shame nonetheless.

It does however open up a hole in the market for an open source plugin which embeds WebKit in IE for SVG, WebGL and Theora support.

Wikipedia could recommend such a plugin to ensure IE users can actually view free video

re: HTML5 Video

Alex — Thu, 06 May 2010 19:56:34 GMT

@Roger:

And that is exactly the trouble with the HTML5 spec in general: it's too vague.

Let's say that in a year we end up in the following situation (purely hypothetical):

IE supports H.264 video delivered as a progressive downloaded MP4 file from a web server.

Firefox supports Theora video delivered as a progressive downloaded OGG file from a web server but also RTSP and multicast streaming.

Safari supports H.264 video delivered as a progressive download MP4, but also HTTP adaptive streamed in a MPEG2-TS container from a web server.

Guess what? All these 3 browsers would be considered HTML5 compliant!

The goal of a standard should be to standardize, and I personally think HTML5 fails to do that. Can you imagine if DVD or BluRay specifications said "use any codec or format you want"? We'd probably still be watching VHS video.

re: HTML5 Video

Roger — Thu, 06 May 2010 14:12:59 GMT

I don't really care that the browsers choose to support either h.264 or OGV. Truth is, I want to encode my video ONCE. Even is a browser supports the <video> tag, it also needs to also support the fallback, whether it's Flash or something else.

It irritates me greatly that Firefox sees the <video> tag but then displays a broken video graphic if you don't have an OGV version. As a result, the simplicity that is supposed to be the <video> tag is completely moot because you end up writing additional code for browser and/or codec sensing.

re: HTML5 Video

EricLaw [MSFT] — Wed, 05 May 2010 17:49:04 GMT

@Armando: Yes, that was announced back in March. It's not yet in the latest Preview Build, however.

re: HTML5 Video

Armando — Wed, 05 May 2010 17:13:01 GMT

Ok, so regardless of Codec, does "The HTML5 specification describes video support without specifying a particular video format. We think H.264 is an excellent format. In its HTML5 support, IE9 will support playback of H.264 video only" mean that IE9 will recognize the HTML5 video tag?

re: HTML5 Video

EdSF — Tue, 04 May 2010 23:38:30 GMT

@Charlie:

Yes, thank you for that - that's how/what my comprehension was of this post.

Its just that I got to this post from a trade rag (in the link) with the attention grabbing headline that somehow links all this to the recent Adobe/Apple flap. I honestly don't even know how the writer came to conclusions/suggestions in the article after reading this post...sigh.