Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

pmbAustin — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:01:21 GMT

@Dale, there's already bookmark/favorites syncing with Windows Live Mesh. And I thought it was supposed to be there if you sign-on with Windows Live ID (one of the many things that gets synced)... which is great for desktop, but kinda pointless if it excludes IE10-Metro and WP8.

And having bookmarks sync between WP8 and Win8 is a great selling point... not to mention that Chrome is doing this between Android and Chrome on the desktop. Come on, it's what the whole CLOUD thing is about... keeping all your devices in sync, and all your data (including bookmarks) accesible from anywhere!

So I don't think it's a "stretch". I think it's becoming absolutely necessary base functionality.

And I don't disagree with you on the Flash thing. It's one thing to ship a hobbled sub-set of Flash in IE10-Metro to facilitate some scenarios. Fine. The "opt in" thing? Silly and unworkable. And forcing the Desktop to share the same "built in" version just breaks IE10-Desktop, and doesn't all you to keep up to date, or use an older version if that's what's more compatable with your sites (current IE10 Flash won't play most online flash videos that I've seen all over the web... and there's no way to update it or revert to the previous version which worked in Desktop IE). But I do think that bookmarks are every bit as important, because (at least to me) the lack of them renders IE10-Metro even more useless.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

Patrick — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:42:44 GMT

I've posted a comment on the previous blog post about the mass hysteria from developers over the insane suggested Microsoft authoritative CV list for whitelisting flash content in Windows 8.

My Comment:

blogs.msdn.com/.../developer-guidance-for-web-sites-with-flash-content-in-windows-8.aspx

Beyond the numerous developers and business users that have posted several flaws in this censored flash content plan Microsoft has failed to respond to any of them. You're doing yourself a huge dis-favor by not responding and putting our fears to rest that you are about to publish an un-usable browser due to an ill-designed feature.

Please respond ASAP and help developers understand that this mistake was just a design intention... that has not been commited to the code base and as such can easily be yanked out now that it has been seen to be a complete failure in the light of day.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

Dale — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:29:59 GMT

@pmbAustin - although I agree that Metro IE10 should have full bookmarking capabilities I think syncing across devices is a huge stretch.

99.9% of the population doesn't have (nor wants) a Windows Phone and since (decent) Windows Tablets don't exist for retail purchase yet syncing between 1 PC and nothing else seems like a big engineering en-devour for zero benefit.

The bigger issue at the moment of course is that Microsoft has yet to respond to all the issues with their "Flash Censorship Program" in Metro IE10: blogs.msdn.com/.../developer-guidance-for-web-sites-with-flash-content-in-windows-8.aspx

Having flash support is an all or nothing project. The current opt-in process for developers is completely backwards and in Microsoft's most critical market (business & enterprise) no developers can actually submit a request (due to private & protected secure content) and thus the whole scheme is an epic fail as well as an insult to business and developers.

Thus until there is a response explaining that they are ditching the idea (or massively re-vamping in to a user defined opt-out blacklist) there is no point in talking about CSS gradients or bookmarks.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

pmbAustin — Fri, 29 Jun 2012 05:04:51 GMT

It's vital you support "Favorites" in both IE10-Metro adn IE10-Desktop. And IE10-WP8

And it's vital you support syncing of bookmarks across platforms.

I don't expect "pinned" sites to sync, to be honest. They're custom start page configurations, designed to be unique to each experience. But Bookmarks/favorites need to be synced. If I see a site on my Windows Phone and book mark it, I should be able to pick it up later on my WinRT Surface tablet, and/or on my Win8 Desktop.

These things need to work seamlessly together, all linked by my Microsoft Account.

Without "Favorites"/Bookmarks in IE10-Metro, it breaks integration and ease of use, it breaks "fast and fluid", it breaks "it just works".

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

Jared — Thu, 28 Jun 2012 01:46:49 GMT

Looks good to me. I'm assuming now we're going to have to wait for Win8 for IE 10? We're getting pretty eager here, IE9 is getting pretty long in the tooth compared to the competition. Good stuff with being standard compliant.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

@Sam — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:33:40 GMT

I can't agree more, the "to bottom" just looks dumb when compared to other css properties, I can't think of any css property off the top of my head that uses spaces in it like that. The bottom was pretty easy to remember, matched existing css and as a bonus it was slightly shorter so it would cut off a few bytes from your css file =p

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

Prior Semblance — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 19:30:20 GMT

I'm sure that gradients will be pretty much set in stone by the time IE10 comes out and they wouldn't have done this if they thought there was any chance of it changing. But if by some random chance they do change something there is still time to fix it before IE10 is done.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

@Martijn — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:34:09 GMT

Actually implementing a candidate recommendation is good. It is a phase right at the end of the standardization proces

Candidate recommmendations are rarely subject to breaking changes.

This article shows however that implementing a draft version without pre-fixing is actually very bad.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

Martijn — Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:23:57 GMT

Microsoft, I've asked you this before, but can you PLEASE stop doing things the way noone else does them? For pete's sake

What you think you're implementing as a "standard" is actually a Candidate Recommendation, and is therefor subject to change. Implementng that is generally a BAD idea.

Just go with the prefix notation. Many developers already use the -ms- prefix in gradients, because it works on IE10-CP, and will now be broken in IE10-RP onwards, because you've implemented a standard that is broken by design and is subject to change.

re: Unprefixed CSS3 Gradients in IE10

Xero — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:34:08 GMT

@Trooper, I guess all FOUR tests in those THREE bug reports are depending on one thing: IE performs poorly when "live DOM" is updated frequently. As a workaround, the DocumentFragment can be used to mitigate the difference. For a permanent fix, IE team should redesign the way of dealing with live DOM.