Thanks for a Great 2006!

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dtreuter — Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:04:25 GMT

Is anything being done to address the seemingly glaring oversight that IE 7 ignores the disabled="disabled" property on select box options?

Am I missing something here? This is a W3C standard, is it not?

Sorry for tagging this onto an unrelated thread, but I wasn't sure how else to get a response. Thanks.

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Marcus Thompson — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:05:32 GMT

@Ensign Joe

Just FYI, there are more browsers than IE and FF, for some people, Opera is the very star on the browser-sky, try it. Won't hurt you, would it?

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Shiny — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:59:32 GMT

I love IE7! Is there a place to post ideas/requests for features? For example, I think you should be able to right-click the back button and open the previous page in a new tab.

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Ensign Joe — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:55:03 GMT

ie7 rocks, but there's no download manager :-(

And the user interface is not customizable, not even a bit :-(

I have installed Firefox 2, but this browser sucks. It's slow and ... AAAARGH I hate it :-9

I'll use IE from now till ever

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Aedrin — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 18:27:20 GMT

"if I want to do a hard reload (e.g. hold SHIFT/CTRL + reload) then as I place my left "pinky" on CTRL... reaching F5 without releasing my right hand from the mouse, is darn near impossible, without contorting my left hand."

I do it all day long and it works fine for me. And if using F5 is a little bit too far away, then there's always Ctrl+Shift+R.

"I think you are missing the point. As we all know, CSS is not *fixed* in IE7, it is just "better". There are still several broken aspects, for which, hacking will continue to be commonplace."

Hacks are just shortcuts however for real solutions. Just like that 'quick'n dirty fix', they're not a 'real browser fix'.

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Arieta — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:51:58 GMT

I'm only an amateur web developer but I can tell that I can easily write code that looks pixel-exact on both Firefox and IE7.

For IE6 and Firefox - only after a hour of hacking or so.

So yea, IE7 IS much improved. And considering that they had to fix 5+ years of bugs (security and otherwise), and STILL managed to come up with a ton of new features and improved rendering, while also maintaining backwards compatibility, I can say that the IE team did a fairly good job.

Sure, it has some bugs, but which browser doesnt. The Firefox 1.0 builds were total disasters with a lot of rendering bugs too. But over time, FF improved. IE is now under developement again, so it will be improved the same way (hopefully).

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

cooperpx — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:34:07 GMT

@ Paul

Microsoft's channel 10. Check it out... it's a step in the right direction.

http://on10.net/

If your interest is somewhat piqued, check out this video about channel 10 on channel 9:

http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=171265

"Is the money this entire planet gives you not enough to spend a week or so improving standards support?"

Wraith Daquell's reply is was informative and lacked personal attacks. As a vetran, you know full well that the trident engine (which is fairly aged and complex) took eons more than that to fix the host of layout fixes in IE7 with the current set of resources they have.

As to the web developer's they listened to, that'd be the foremost people on the industry actively providing workaround documentation for IE 6's specific flaws including reproductions. I'm sure they hated 'having to put their pencils down'.

From what I can tell from the chats, videos, and blog posts ... they give it their all ... and deserve a Happy new year!

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Paul — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 08:18:38 GMT

@Wraith Daquell

Mind your splatter.

I have been developing enterprise level network based client server applications for over 15 years - not to mention desktop apps - C / C++ / Java / .NET / Oracle / SQL Server / mySQL db's the list goes on. Credit card transaction merchant server software, writing software to hook into real banking systems.

Applications requiring the tightest security requirements - and yes - data that every hacker would love to get their hands on.

You think I sit around in Photoshop all day or something? You think I write 3 page websites for corner stores?

Wake up - server-side centric web apps. are the most efficient way of writing globally accessible applications to a wide range of clients. This is why I am concerned as to standards implementations.

Oh yes - and by the way - what have they taken with IE7? Would that be... oh yes... it was time. Re-skinning their "professionally written" IE6 engine with a few improvements. In fact - why do they need time going by your reasoning - it was already professionally written and secure.

You have no clue - i'd get that M$ tattoo removed and wake up to reality.

re: Thanks for a Great 2006!

Wraith Daquell — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:05:10 GMT

@Paul,

"how come nearly everything I can 100% count on with FireFox does not work properly in IE7?"

Firefox never has had the pressure to be as secure as IE, nor will it ever. So until Firefox has the world's most brilliant hackers pitted against it, or until you are responsible for securing a browser with over 70% market share, please refrain from talking about something you know little about.

"not enough to spend a week or so improving standards support"

Do you honestly think security comes from a week of programming? Open-source programmers do 'quick fixes' in a week - that's why it takes a full year to release version 0.0.1 for most open-source projects. When something's done professionaly, it takes time. This comes from a programmer who does more than web design.

When is SP1 out?

Paul — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:05:12 GMT

Has Microsoft ever actually built an XHTML / CSS2 layout controlled website / application and tested it with IE7?

Us web developers are trying to build advanced web based applications and move the web forward - using in many cases your brilliant .NET framework - however your browser cannot support what we are trying to do with it.

You minimize the toolbar to maximize screen space, but then you leave div tables out of your standards support.... how are we supposed to correctly utilize the space as we want as we would in firefox (static toolbar on side, adaptable width main body) - without sacrificing flexibility (ie. using table controlled layout). Don't think "use client side scripting uuuuuhhh" either - that is just wrong.

You say you listened to web developers - which ones? People using FrontPage or something!? - how come nearly everything I can 100% count on with FireFox does not work properly in IE7? Ooh but you have tabs now... wow....

I have posted and watched many of your official blog sites, but for some reason you ignored all the really important cries for help :) The only real thing you have given us whatever:hover is pretty much used for cosmetic user interface feedback purposes.

Is the money this entire planet gives you not enough to spend a week or so improving standards support?

Lets hope with your 2007 you are planning on releasing a compulsory service pack for IE7 that brings it up to speed with some of the other browsers out there.

We are ALL... REALLY... REALLY sick of your browser making our lives hard. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE fix it.