Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

AJAX Performance Bestpractices

Gaurav Seth's WebLog — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:02:28 GMT

Recently someone asked me about the best practices for AJAX performance. Though this information is scattered

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

Eghost — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:52:03 GMT

@EricLaw

Sorry I do not call being able to make the search bar bigger or smaller customization. Now all of a sudden it's a security issue for moving the address bar around? Please explain to me how it's a security issue to being able to relocate the address bar. Your biggest competitor Fire Fox has no security issue with this ability. In my opinion Microsoft is not changing their stance on this is because quite simply they don't want to. Microsoft has decided this is the way we want the UI to look and we don't care we will not change it. This is not just a flaw it is a huge corporate wall, that Microsoft refuses to tear down. I strongly remember this type of arrogance from the Beta's of Vista. I can not believe Microsoft stance on this matter, it makes no sense, and then you wonder why people don't like Microsoft...

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

Geoff — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:34:57 GMT

Well you don't see much SVG on the web yet because IE doesn't support it. Which is precisely why I think Microsoft is holding back the web.

And honestly, If you don't think vector graphics are important and will change the way web developers do things, why do you think microsoft is putting so much effort into Silverlight and XAML?

Microsoft is being completely hypocritcal in saying they are working towards supporting web standards while ignoring the bits that compete with their own technologies.

And yes, I do want Mozilla to support all *open* web standards natively - I want all the browsers to.

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

jason — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:24:48 GMT

Just how reliable are web slices? I just created some and set the reload timer to 15min. I made 3-4 changes on each over a 1 hour period. None of the slices went bold to indicate a change (nor did the titles change)

Does IE cache any of the page content? does it ignore HTTP Headers / always request a fresh copy?

I'd post a url but the site is on a local Intranet.

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

milton — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:39:08 GMT

@Joe - dude you are way off base! You ***CAN*** style the border AND background of a select list in IE5, IE6, IE7, IE8-CompatMode, but NOT in IE8 Standards Mode.

The bug is unique to IE8 Beta 2 - in Standards Mode.

Second - the issue is VERY common. If you like pure black and white controls in your applications then hey go for it! but for the other 90% of the web developers out there we like to add a little style, even if it is only on focus so the user knows where on the form they are.

Again, I repeat, this worked just fine in EVERY other browser that runs on WindowsXP. Only IE8 (in standards mode) can't handle the styling without messing up the native chrome.

It is what us professional developers refer to as a MAJOR REGRESSION BUG.

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

Joe — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:20:06 GMT

jake... it's only "hugely obvious" if you happen to set a border or theme on a select control, which is far from common.

because this limitation has been there forever (IE6) with no broad outrage, it's hard to see how any serious person could consider this a "major outstanding issue".

A better question is what exactly you'd WANT to happen in this case? Your page explicitly tries to style a SELECT element-- why would you expect XP themes to be applied?

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

Huey — Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:03:04 GMT

@static - yeah, where to start....

SVG is important and the reason why it isn't so widespread is BECAUSE IE doesn't support it natively, therefore we CAN'T use the standard.

We can tell our end users to get the adobe plugin, then when they do they'll see the "hey, this ain't supported anymore" warning, which makes them wonder if they are doing the right thing - so yes, IE IS holding back the web.

As for the more important stuff that the IE team could be doing? yes, Im sure there is, but MSFT doesn't give us any insight as to what they are working on, so we have to ask about everything.

For starters we still don't have a clue when IE8 Final will be released, or the RC(s), or Beta 3 - cause there ain't no roadmap.

No roadmap == Developers out of the loop

Developers out of the loop == Developers losing interest

Developers losing interest == Developers focusing on browsers and technologies that are open, standards, documented, with public bug tracking

I'd love to do some real cool stuff in the browser (and I do) but it sure as heck don't work in IE, cause IE doesn't support the stuff that Firefox, Safari, Chrome and Opera do - out of the box.

re: Hot off the Press: CodeFocus on IE8!

Jake — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:50:19 GMT

@Eric Law - "@Jake: Which XP theming issue are you referring to?"

Uhm, the hugely obvious one where any change to a select list's border or background styles cause a de-theme on windows XP.

Has been reported since day 1 of the Beta 2 release.

SVG?

static — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:58:46 GMT

What is all this fuss over IE8 natively supporting SVG? How could that possibly make IE8 better?

I very rarely ever EVER see SVG's on web pages. I only ever see them on wikipedia.

And there is already an SVG plugin from Adobe for IE that I hardly use because I don't ever see any SVG's!

But hey, while were at it, why don't we complain to Mozilla to natively support every plugin it has for FireFox?

"Holding back the web". Really Geoff? That's gonna make things better?

Okay IE team, heres the secret to make IE successful, support SVG. When you do that, nobody will complain about IE anymore about standards, slowness, lack of this or that, it won't matter because it now supports SVG and that makes everything better!

Look, I'm all for suggestions to make IE a better web browser, but complaining about not natively supporting SVG, it's just nonsense. There are much more important things for the IE team to focus on then supporting SVG. I can already tell I'm gonna get a lot of hate comments on this, but thats just the way I see things.

SVG?

Orl — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:58:02 GMT

What is all this fuss over IE8 natively supporting SVG? How could that possibly make IE8 better?

I very rarely ever EVER see SVG's on web pages. I only ever see them on wikipedia.

And there is already an SVG plugin from Adobe for IE that I hardly use because I don't ever see any SVG's!

But hey, while were at it, why don't we complain to Mozilla to natively support every plugin it has for FireFox?

"Holding back the web". Really Geoff? That's gonna make things better?