January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

marley — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:17:56 GMT

@JonR - yes SVG is quite involved and not a super easy thing to implement. However it has been done by many so it isn't that hard.

What drives us nuts is that we've been requesting this the day IE7 was announced as being developed. (e.g. starting development)

The canned answer of: "This is something we are investigating for a future release / we are focusing on other priorities ATM / Thanks for the suggestion" is what is annoying.

I think my all time favorite is when the IE Team responds with "we don't see many sites using 'xyx' technology" as the reason why they don't plan for IE to support 'xyz' (insert whatever technology you want for 'xyz')

Which is a total catch 22. If IE doesn't support 'xyz', we don't publish production code using 'xyz' because 50% of our users won't be able to use our sites/apps.

It doesn't mean the technology is not good, or not growing, it means that once again IE is

Holding Back The Web™

As soon as IE supports 'xyz' the growth of sites using it will explode.

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Dolat Khan — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:36:45 GMT

MY INTERNET EXPLORER DID NOT WORK, IT IS NOT OPENING AND WHEN I TRIED EVERY WAY IT GIVES A MESSAGE "ORDINAL NOT FOUND" AND (ORDINAL 410 COULD NOT BE LOCATED IN THE DYNAMIC LINK LIBRARY) PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WOULD I DO?

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Dolat Khan — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:36:44 GMT

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

Dolat Khan — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 17:36:24 GMT

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

JonR — Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:09:08 GMT

Somebody asked about SVG support during the chat yesterday, and received the answer, which has been given previously I believe, that it is a popular request and something that is under consideration for later IE versions. You shouldn't underestimate the difficulty of providing an SVG implementation. The full spec is extremely large (the PDF version runs to over 700 pages). I don't believe any browser or plugin has yet implemented it in its entirety (although some are close).

Given the level of effort involved versus their development capacity, the IE team have to prioritise those features they feel will be of the greatest benefit to the most people. For IE 8 they clearly decided, and I would support them, that full CSS 2.1 support was of more importance than SVG. As for IE 9, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

thanks

train amsterdam — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:54:21 GMT

Thanks for the informative chat!

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

steve_web — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:02:37 GMT

Yeah, the chat server died at about 10:52 PST/ 13:52 EST.

Last question answered was:

JohnHrv [MSFT] (Expert)[13:52]:

Q: [45] (5) My first non-JS question is about freezing, too : If a page freezes, will we be able to go to another tab in IE 8 ? It's very frustating otherly... Note that when you've the problem, you can go out to buy a donut to make waiting easier OPEN-MOUTHED SMILEY :D

A: this is another good architectural change that would improve reliability. thanks for the suggestion!

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

sonicdoommario — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:59:28 GMT

Whenever I click on one of these links to join the chat, it says the page can't be found.

I was looking forward to joining this chat...

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

Will Peavy — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:34:08 GMT

@JAB Creations - I would much rather see HTML 5 support in IE 9 than XHTML support. Why would you want to serve documents as XHTML anyway? Who wants to maintain apps that choke on one markup error? One of the HTML 5 spec priorities is standardized error handling.

re: January Chat with the Internet Explorer team on Thursday

Arieta — Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:35:12 GMT

Dear SVG;

Only a child would use an argument like "get out kid, adults are talking".