Our ship gifts for Vista came the other day. We got a fleece pullover and the final DVD for our DVD cube.
Fully updated, the cube is a collection of 4 DVDs, containing the bits for Vista Beta1, Vista Beta2, Vista RC1, and Vista RTM.
There's also a booklet:
If you can't read the text, it says "You are holding 3.5 Gigabytes of passion, dedication, and pure geek goodness" "RTM NOVEMBER 8th 2006"
Within is a timeline of pictures of computers running Win 1.0, Win 3.1, Win95, and Windows XP with the text "time to make history..."
And then, the best part (IMHO). A picture of Vista and the text "Handcrafted by:"
Of course, I'm there:
Btw, I'm using a coaster we were given when Microsoft moved into it's current campus 20 years ago as a paperweight. I somehow thought it was appropriate.
At the back is a bunch of pictures of the ship party and the text: "Wow. What an incredible journey. Thank you."
Do the DVDs have the source code included?
I'm curious what the level of burn-out is like at Microsoft right now. Having followed development and been involved in the betas, etc for years now the release mostly makes me think, "Ok, what's next?" Is there a sense of taking a breather or is everybody ramping up for another (likely/hopefully shortened) major dev-cycle?
I'm sure lots of Microsoft people are excited about what is possible on the Vista platform, but I know from experience that after working on something for a long period of time it's pretty tough to re-energize.
Vince: Source code? Why would they have source code? These are the same bits you get in the store, and the bits in the store don't have source code on them.
Chad: Right now everyone's working on planning the next version of Windows, so almost all the stress is off.
I'm curious about something else too, and you might be able to talk about it since you worked on the audio stuff. I know there are likely still issues with both driver availability and quality that will improve as Vista percolates through the market. My m-audio interface doesn't have drivers yet so I'm using the on-board Realtek AC97 in Vista. I've noticed lots of clicking and popping even without heavy load on the PC. From some of the videos and other things I've read it seemed like the multimedia scheduling stuff was supposed to take care of this kind of thing.
I don't expect an answer to the problem, I'm patient and expect stuff like this will get worked out. I'm just wondering about the level of instrumentation data that is or can be returned to MS. Is there a conduit to get this type of performance data to MS and not just hard crash related data? I'm sure, judging from the amount of instrumentation in Vista, that there's some counter(s) that would indicate what is causing the problem.
Guess I should have enabled the on-board audio during the beta, but I typically leave it disabled in BIOS and use the m-audio in XP for multitrack recording...
>Why would they have source code? These are the same bits you get in the store, and the bits in the store don't have source code on them.
Because if it had all the source code everyone worked so hard on, it would be a neat thing to have. If it's just a windows install DVD, that's a lot more boring, and hardly what I'd call "pure geek goodness" but that's probably just me.
I was also curious about how big the source code is. I remember back when Longhorn was being hyped as the most important programming project in the entire history of Western Civilization, and was wondering how many lines of code it ended up being.
Does it come with a license key, or is it more or less as useful as the other coaster you have?
Vince, it's a coaster - no product key. We'll get a customized version of Ultimate at some point "soon" though which will have a product key. Not that it matters to me, the shrink wrap will never be broken on it.
And Vistas source code is BIG. Really, really big. But I don't know exactly how big, I just know that the entire product's big.
Chad: I know m-audio is working hard on their driver. But the driver's unlikely to be the root cause of your perf issues. We have internal tools that will allow analysis, but not customer-ready tools (unfortunately). There's actually a staggering amount of instrumentation available on the retail builds, but it's all turned off by default (obviously). The most likely cause of your glitches is a long DPC or ISR from some non-audio driver on your machine, if I had to guess, I'd say it was the video driver (we've had a long history of video drivers and long DPCs).
what they should have done is given you a DVD with the source code, but encrypted with an unknown key. Now *that* would have been a cool souvenir. You could impress people by saying you have the windows vista source... and it would have been just as useless and safe to hand out as a windows install DVD w/o a product key.
A Vista DVD without the source code is usable for 30 days, which is half as long as MSDN allowed for XP without activating. Sometimes that's enough to check whether apps can execute on it. That doesn't help some of us geeks who want to know what contract we have to conform to when programming, but it's not completely useless.
The shortages of drivers for audio, video, and pointing devices are all pretty impressive. It's really neat to use a notebook which was purchased a whole week ago, with a sticker saying Vista-ready, and get the VGA Save driver which can't even conform to the screen's resolution. Fortunately that driver didn't BSOD. Wondering when the notebook's maker or video chip's maker will provide a downloadable driver. Not holding my breath on a driver for the pointing device.
You've earned it Larry - and thanks for taking the time to share it with us. Much appreciated. I'm also looking forward to running Vista.
You can read everywhere (?) that the Vista source code has about 50 million lines. Whether that's true or not is another story.
There appears to be some text (?) on the front face of the DVD cube. If its text, what is it?
I should imagine that there's not way the Windows source code would fit on a single DVD.
Phylyp, it's the number 2006 repeated over and over in different sizes.
> I should imagine that there's not way the Windows source code would fit on a single DVD.
Why? 4GB is a lot of space, and source code compresses extremely well seeing as it is mostly text. I think you can fit all the source code from a typical linux distro onto one DVD, and a linux distro comes with a lot more software than vista does.
Vista would have more media, though (images, video clips, music, etc). That's part of the full source image, although it's not programming code.
I have to say though, I'm a bit ambivalent about Vista because of all the DRMing badness going on within it. Most of the rest of it seems like a good step forward, it's sad to see it get torpedoed by such user-unfriendly rubbish.