What's up with handicapped parking in WA state?

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What's up with handicapped parking in WA state?

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WARNING: No technical content, though I am technically a little pissed

A few months ago, I was in my scooter riding some my recyclables over to the large bins in my apartment complex. It is easy to scoot right over there, recyclables in the back basket of the scooter, and dump them in there.

The space right next to the bins is a handicapped spot. I know because back before I had the scooter I used to drive the stuff over, and I always loved that I could park there when I dumped the stuff (yes, I do have the proper state-issued disabled parking placard).

Anyway, there was a car parked there, tightly enough that I could not even squeeze myself in to get to the bin, let alone the scooter. Not the end of the world, but I noticed that the person had no disabled parking placard or license plate. Same thing for the car next to them (which was not blocking me, but it was yet another handicapped space being illegally parked in).

I'm generally not one to raise a fuss (I'm still getting used to the whole disability thing), so I turned around and figured I'd try my luck another day.

Time passes, and every time I come home I look over there I see that these folks are still parked there. And it is the same cars. I am starting to get mad.

Did I mention that the two cars who seem to be the reqgular offenders here both have current Microsoft parking permits? Don't even gt me started on how obnoxious I think that is.

Anyway, I finally scoot down to the main office for the complex. I pick up the mail, then mention to the person there that there are people who are parking in the handicapped parking spots every day. Should I complain to them or to the Redmond police directly?

She asks me whether there are signs posted.

I have no earthly idea, so I scoot out there and look. No signs, just the pavement nicely painted with the little wheelchair dude. I scoot back and pass this on.

She explains to me that the law in Washington is such that if there is no sign then the police can neither ticket nor tow. They cannot even give a warning.

Hmmmm.

I checked later, she was right. In RCW 46.61.581:

A parking space or stall for a disabled person shall be indicated by a vertical sign, between thirty-six and eighty-four inches off the ground, with the international symbol of access, whose colors are white on a blue background, described under RCW 70.92.120 and the notice "State disabled parking permit required."

Failure of the person owning or controlling the property where required parking spaces are located to erect and maintain the sign is a class 2 civil infraction under chapter
7.80 RCW for each parking space that should be so designated. The person owning or controlling the property where the required parking spaces are located shall ensure that the parking spaces are not blocked or made inaccessible, and failure to do so is a class 2 civil infraction.

That's all it says -- no sign, then its not a handicapped spot.

So I ask this person at the office whether these spaces are being repurposed, and she assures me they are not. Its just that the signs are expensive.

Double hmmmm.

At this point I start to complain a bit more and point out the fact that there are actually laws about this sort of thing (there are -- RCW 70.92.140, for example).

They sober up quickly enough on that one and finally agree to get a couple of signs (one outside where my apartment is, one next to the recycle bin), leaving the other three "faux handicapped" spaces in their FAUX state, since signs are expensive.

One of those two spaces where the two cars used to park still has a car in it every day. It seems to be one of those same two cars (I guess they are fighting for "their" space). Maybe I should start posting license plates and descriptions. Or maybe I should consider the handicap of their lack of decency as one that entitles them to park there? I hope they are contingent staff and their contracts don't get renewed. Most people at Microsoft are a lot nicer.

I realize that by posting this I may be enabling a whole new crowd of jerks to start taking advantage of this particular loophole, but I hope that people can perhaps be a little better than that. They can rise above their technical right to park in a parking space and see that it is marked on the pavement as a handicapped spot. And at least tey to respect that....

 

There is currently no HANDICAPPED SYMBOL in Unicode, though it would have loved to have been the sponsor.

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  • "Anyway, there was a car parked there, tightly enough that I could not even squeeze myself in to get to the bin, let alone the scooter. "

    Spectacularly stupid handicapped spot. Too tight to fit by. And how big is your complex, anyhow, that it needs FIVE handicapped spots? How many people in wheelchairs or missing a pin or two do you have there, anyhow? Frankly, I think about 90% of people with handicapped parking permits don't need them, anyhow. I've seen perfectly healthy people jump out of vehicles and run inside buildings after having parked in a handicapped spot with their permit hanging from the rear-view mirror. I always thought they were mentally handicapped, but now I just think they're lazy douches. I say cut the number of spaces in half, and if you don't need something to help you walk, you get no friggin permit.
  • I've been told that the law is similar here in Texas, although I've never intentionally tested it in court (nor have I needed to). But I have come across situations where I could not tell if a parking spot was handicapped or not, because there was no sign (as apparently required by law), and the logo painted on the ground had been either washed away or painted over.

    If I am ever ticketed for parking in a spot that was poorly marked, and I did not notice it was marked, I would certainly use this law to fight the fine.

    But I would certainly never park in such a spot for long periods of time or on a regular basis. (I actually prefer to park away from the main entrance of a building so that I do not have to fight traffic as much when backing out.)

    I guess something needs to be done about the expense of the signs.

    And I'm *really* surprised that in all of the unicode there is not a handicapped symbol. Do you know anyone on the Unicode board? This should be rectified immediately (or, sometime in the future, whichever is eaiser).
  • Speaking as a landlord - city/state ordinances require you to have a certain ratio of handicapped spaces / non-handicapped spaces. You are also (at least in ohio) required by law to both have a sign and a painted logo on said handicapped spaces.

    It seems to me that your landlord is the person most at fault here for failing to provide adequate sinage for the required handicapped spaces. My advice to remidy the situation, since your complaints to your landlord seem to have fallen upon deaf ears (which techincally might allow them to park in the aforementioned handicapped spaces) is to contact your city zoning/ordinace inspector. They will likely put the apartment complex on notice for failure of compliance for parking space regulations, and cite them, which would make them put up the signs.

    Another possibility is that state law only requires one space, so the have the sign on the one space, but have added additional parking spaces with painted logos in hopes that they may remain available for those who need them.

    Either way, it is a sad state of affairs when people knowingly park in a handicapped space when they are not themselves handicapped.
  • William -- The apartment complex is actually 50 buildings, with 12-20 units per building (1-3 bedrooms each). I do not think there are too many spaces. Also, FWIW the space was wide enough, this car was just parked way too far over. The extra space was on the passenger side (Van accessible, I think they call it).

    But speaking as someone who until recently did not look like there was anything wrong with me, I can't help but be a little offended at the notion that just because someone does not look handicapped does not mean they do not need help.

    Matthew -- I agree that it ought to be in Unicode, but there are a lot of weird rules about symbols. I mostly agree with them (who would want logos like that symbols Prince was using? <smile>).

    Zach -- I admit to being nervous about becoming a cause, or a test case. I feel less comfortable about complaining about stuff once they take care of the immediate issue, but I figured venting here would be okay. :-)

    But it is a pretty sad thing that there are people who figure that is their space. :-(
  • Shoot, can't find anything on the web about it. Back when I lived in Wichita, KS. One of my friends mother had started a volunteer program called "snap-it". They went around an photographed cars that were parked in handicapped parking spaces and didn't have either the license plate or their placard displayed. They would submit the photographs to the police who would then mail out tickets. If the person had a placard, but didn't have it displayed that day they often got off without any fines. They courts even had a special designation on the docket.

    http://www.wichitagov.org/CityOffices/MunicipalCourt/Rules/Rule9.htm
    ""Snap-It Docket" refers to the municipal court docket session designated to include any violation(s) of the disabled access parking ordinance in City Code 11.52.020 (25) or (26) and in which a "Snap- It" volunteer is a witness on behalf of the City of Wichita."

    She was, of course, hated around the city.
  • Scott, I say good for her! Jerks who want to park there should cut off their an arm or a leg. Then they would be handicapped and would be allowed to park there legally....
  • "who would want logos like that symbols Prince was using? <smile>"

    Actually, it would have been much eaqsier calling him "U+2B76" or something, rather than "the artist formerly known as Prince". Tehehe :)
  • I can't believe there is a hot spring (!) (U+2668), a sparkle (U+2747), 3 snowflakes (U+2744,2745,2746)... but no handicapped sign !

    WTF!?
  • Are you complaining that the people who park in your handicapped spaces aren't handicapped?
    Surely there is a simpler and more direct way of remedying the situation without wasting the lawyers' time?
  • Lawyers? Who is calling lawyers? I am just grouching off about people who annoy me for doing selfish things.
  • The WHEELCHAIR symbol was proposed for U+267F in http://www.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n2586r.pdf
  • And it looks like it was accepted?

    http://www.unicode.org/consortium/utc-minutes/UTC-095-200306.html

    Consensus 95-C22


    And it looks like U+267f (WHEELCHAIR SYMBOL) was added to Unicode 4.1, being released very very soon!
  • How many spaces are they required to provide?
    Because it seems like the second half of
    RCW 46.61.582:

    Failure of the person owning or controlling the property where required parking spaces are located to erect and maintain the sign is a class 2 civil infraction under chapter 7.80 RCW for each parking space that should be so designated.

    So if they are required to provide the spots and are not doing so they are in violation. At least that is the way I read that statement.
  • I'm actually not sure. Personally, I only cared about having two of them made "official" and then if they wanted to repurpose the others I would not fault them for it. My problem is with this "it is a handicapped spot, but the signs are expensive" nonsense....
  • Personally I call people who park in handicapped spaces morally handicapped.

    For a time there were a number of people who parked illegally in building 2's parking lot. Someone (I don't know who) decided to take offense at it and keyed their cars.

    They never parked in the handicapped spots again.

    Not that I'm recommending vigilante justice or anything.
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