I think we've made progress

Um, I still don't see it.

[)amien

Yeah I see that line.

So what was wrong with that, or whats changed?

[)amien

You're kidding right? You haven't made progress! Even in betas of Vista this is still way too complex.

Proof? 99% of Windows XP copies sold in Canada and not preinstalled by a large company like Dell that pre-sets it to Canadian English are running in American English because it's the default on our CDs.

In the manual install you need a dialog that says "What country are you in? and gives them a map to help them make a selection. It should then default the keyboard layout and set the locale and everything else automatically. The user could then override the keyboard layout below if they so chose. (i.e. in Canada it should be set to English Canadian (US))

In the OEM setup screen that comes up on first load, it's marginally better but not much. It should work the same way as I suggest above.

And the Regional Settings dialog in Windows XP in Control Panel?

That's an exercise of the one of the worst interfaces I have ever seen! Chuck the whole thing and start again. I have never met a user that isn't a programmer that can understand it.

If this an example of MS getting better, then wow, that's sad. I would use the rest of the Vista installation system as an example, but not that!

I have to agree, you don't specifically explain what's wrong with this assumption because it does affect how money and datetime looks like in the system.

> The claim in the dialog that implies the system locale affects numbers, currencies, and dates

Doesn't any process that runs as SYSTEM use the system locale? What if one of those processes has to output a number, currency, or date, to text? Wouldn't that show up in the format specified by the system locale?

As an example... suppose I write a service that monitors the hard drive space and logs an event every time it exceeds a threshold. If I include the current byte usage in the event text, wouldn't that be formatted in the SYSTEM locale settings?

Somewhat ironically, your screen shot is of a Windows 2000 /Server/ setup. :)

Michael I think you're getting a little geeky to be thinking more than 1% of the people who read that dialog will be familiar with the distinction between system and user locales. It is good that the wording has been fixed since Win2K, but... I would even guess that less than half of your regular readers would be familiar enough with that to flag that wording. The system/user locale distinction happens to be something that I am super-sensitive to, but I still didn't pay attention on first read and also most of the stuff on your blog goes over my head, so I would expect people to skim over wording about system and user locale blah blah blah. No?

I'm betting the far majority of people just skip that altogether and then change it when they've actually booted in (if they have MUI).

I like how OS X just asks you the language you speak and then asks you the country you're from and bases all the rest on that.

I understand the difference between System and User locales - quite often we need the System locale to also be our region so that web sites correctly format dates and times without needing further tweaks.

The whole process is quite poor under windows. It asks me locale, then asks me time zone... and then fails to set my default paper types to be ISO (e.g. A4). Here's a tip: Only the USA uses Letter and Legal.

At least most countries get their own language-specific version. Here in the UK we are expected to use the US version and accept all the language differences. This applies to the Mac too.

[)amien