Getting intermediate forms

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Vietnamese still ain't quite right

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Harder intermediate forms of characters

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In the post Getting intermediate forms, I gave an example three character sequences that look the same...

re: Getting intermediate forms

Vorn — Tue, 12 Jul 2005 20:54:10 GMT

ễ <--- totally composed character displays fine in Safari
ễ <--- totally decomposed character displays correctly in the text entry box, but NOT in HTML in Safari, instead shoing e-circumflex and then a wtf-box
ễ <--- partially composed character also displays correctly in text entry box but not in html in Safari, again showing e-circumflex and a wtf-box.

Weird.

Vorn

re: Getting intermediate forms

Jonathan — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:52:00 GMT

A. Skrobov: notepad works fine for me with Arial. In other fonts (Courier New, Times New Roman) the middle one doesn't exist, so Notepad falls back to Arial, thus the char looks different.

Oh, and IE shows all 3 chars identically.

(XP SP2, with Complex scripts and East-asian language enabled)

re: Getting intermediate forms

Michael Dunn_ — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:07:08 GMT

This letter isn't esoteric at all, it's in the name Nguyễn, for example.
And this makes me think - Vietnamese must be a great testbed for stuff like Uniscribe, what with all the diacritics, some combining, some not (ễ is actually ê with a tilde tone marker - e and ê are different letters but e and ẽ are the same letter with different tone markers).

re: Getting intermediate forms

Mihai — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:45:11 GMT

I have checked the page again, this time on XP, but still FireFox. Now everything is fine.
I guess it is not FireFox, after all :-)

re: Getting intermediate forms

Dean Harding — Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:24:49 GMT

> Oh, and BTW the middle character (3-part one) looks somewhat different than others in Notepad, regardless of the used font... What's wrong with that?

It's because you need to use Uniscribe to get proper compositing of diacritical marks (and complex scripts in general). I believe in Windows XP (and possibly Win2k as well) ExtTextOut does support some of the features of a full Uniscribe implementation (which is why I assume #3 looks right), but for full support (as seen in Internet Explorer) you need to use Uniscribe.

Before reading Michael's blog, I'd never have known all that - yay Michael!!