PowerShell and JAOO

re: PowerShell and JAOO

PowerShell Team — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 05:19:10 GMT

> I am just wondering that by adding all the greatest and coolest capabilities in the language, are you missing the exact audience you should be reaching out to?

Potentially. But the thinking is that what Admins REALLY need is CMDLETs - high level, task-oriented abstractions. One of the reasons we have added these more sophisticated scripting facilities is to allow a wider range of people to develop cmdlets more easily.

In Volleyball, there is the "setup" and the "spike". We are providing the "setup" and the community has to provide the "spike" (develop and share the cmdlets that admins need). I'm convinced that that will occur and the over time, more and more admins will find that PS provides them the value that they want/need with minimal onboarding costs. Once they get onboard, they'll discover that they can incrementally invest for great reward.

Jeffrey Snover [MSFT]

Windows Management Partner Architect

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re: PowerShell and JAOO

Kris — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:12:43 GMT

I am a developer and I love Powershell - the automation work it has allowed me to do is amazing. However I do work with a lot of infrastructure folks and their take on PowerShell suprises me. Not one of them is actively using it. Couple of reasons they state - slow, requires .NET whereas VB Script is natively enabled on Windows platform, last but not the least is "I don't want to learn programming". The last thing resonated with me - why should a system's administrator care about things like Closures, .NET Framework's rich API and other esoteric progamming language topics. I am just wondering that by adding all the greatest and coolest capabilities in the language, are you missing the exact audience you should be reaching out to?

re: PowerShell and JAOO

Eric Travers — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:37:30 GMT

Hey, guys. Thanks for the responses.

The beginning of the month is hectic for me, but I will post more information as soon as I can (after I check the link above). Thanks again!

PowerShell in Practice

Marco Shaw — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:14:33 GMT

Richard Siddaway, MVP, has recently started authoring a book, and it looks promising:

http://www.manning.com/siddaway/

Looks like it will cover the application specific examples like what SQL admins may want to see.

re: @Eric

Jason Archer — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:04:47 GMT

Eric, here is a script to help you get started:

http://www.leeholmes.com/blog/InteractingWithSQLDatabasesInPowerShellInvokeSqlCommand.aspx

@Eric

Marco Shaw — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:58:20 GMT

Eric,

Tell us what scripts you need! SQL Server 2005 or 2008?

Give me an example data structure you'd like to copy to Excel.

If you can use the "AdventureWorks" database to provide an example that would be even easier...

re: PowerShell and JAOO

Eric Travers — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 02:18:11 GMT

I would like to see powershell material grow beyond system administrators.

As a database analyst with many years invested in vbscript I had really hoped powershell would be something I could dig in and begin using. The problem I am having is that all of the introductory material is aimed at admins, WMI, ADSI, etc.

Until I can figure out how to get data from SQL Server to Excel I am stuck with vbscript no matter how much fun I have playing with posh.

re: PowerShell and JAOO

Patrick — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:10:26 GMT

For me at least, until Powershell runs on more than one platform (via Mono for eg), it's hard to justify putting much effort into it.

Is PowerShell a language?

Marco Shaw — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:22:44 GMT

Several months ago, I had exchanged emails with an upcoming book on problem solving (now out, but I won't mention it). The subject of PowerShell came up, to which the author replied something like "the problems are meant to be solved by real programming languages, so PowerShell doesn't really apply".

Out to prove him wrong, I did buy the book, but haven't been able to find the time outside of my other projects to make a point.

@Staffan

Marco Shaw — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:18:36 GMT

@Staffan,

Performance improvements have already started sneaking into the v2 CTPs, so I believe Microsoft is really listening to the community's feedback on performance in v1.