What’s the difference between a RDS CAL and a TS CAL?

What’s the difference between a RDS CAL and a TS CAL?

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Hi, I’m Alex from the Remote Desktop Services (RDS) team.  I want to talk about the Windows Server 2008 RDS CAL which replaces the older Terminal Services (TS) CAL.  I want to explain why the name changed, what this means for you and how we have added some great new value to the RDS CAL.  There are 4 key changes I want to clarify:

1.       Equivalence of the Windows Server 2008 TS CAL & Windows Server 2008 RDS CAL

2.       Difference in price between 2008 TS CAL and 2008 RDS CAL

3.       Transition Pricing & Availability of TS CAL and RDS CAL

4.       Inclusion of Microsoft Application Virtualization (App-V) for TS with the 2008 TS CALs and 2008 RDS CALs

The rest of this post explores these items in more detail.

Equivalence of Windows Server 2008 TS CAL & Windows Server 2008 RDS CAL

Last year, we changed the name of Terminal Services to Remote Desktop Services in Windows Server 2008 R2.  As such, we renamed the CAL. You may notice the CAL is called a Windows Server 2008 RDS CAL (rather than 2008 R2 CAL).  This is because R2 is a refresh release and while you need to buy new Windows Server licenses you do not need to buy new RDS CALs if you already own 2008 TS CALs.  This means you can use the Windows Server 2008 TS CALs with your Windows Server 2008 R2 Remote Desktop Services.  If you have Windows Server 2003 TS CALs you will need to buy new RDS 2008 CALs.

Difference in price between 2008 TS CAL and 2008 RDS CAL

With Windows Server 2008 R2 Remote Desktop Services , Microsoft has added some fantastic new capabilities that improve the traditional Session Host scenarios (formerly known as terminal server) and enable new emerging Virtual Desktop Infrastructure (VDI) scenarios. For example, RDS provides:

·         Simplified management with a unified and scalable connection broker for both Session Desktops and VDI Desktops providing:

o   Unified Remote Desktop Web Access (RD Web Access) and  ‘RemoteApp and Desktop Connection’ feature for access to VDI and Session Desktops

o   Ensures users can only see the apps they are supposed to with per-user RemoteApp permissions and  filtering

·         Provides the user a rich remote experience, bringing the experience closer to that enjoyed by users accessing local computing resources such as:

o   True multi-monitor support

o   Windows Media® Player redirection,

o   Bidirectional audio,

o   Enhanced bitmap acceleration for 3D applications and rich media content such as Silverlight and Flash.

·         Improved application compatibility and management of RD session host servers with the inclusion of Microsoft Application Virtualization for TS

To reflect the addition of these new features and capabilities in Windows Server 2008 R2 Remote Desktop Services the price of the Windows Server 2008 RDS CAL will be approximately 5% higher than the previous Windows Server 2008 TS CAL it replaces.

Transition Pricing & Availability of TS CAL and RDS CAL

We understand that for some of our customers this may be an unexpected change.  As such we will be offering Windows Server 2008 RDS CALs at a transition price equivalent to the old TS CAL from their introduction on September 1, 2009 until December 31, 2009.  Beginning January 1, 2010 any new RDS CAL sales will be at the normal RDS CAL price.

The Windows Server 2008 TS CAL will no longer be available after September 1, 2009 if you have any version of Terminal Services or Remote Desktop Services you should purchase Windows Server 2008 RDS CALs.

Inclusion of Microsoft Application Virtualization for TS with the 2008 TS CAL and 2008 RDS CALs

Application compatibility and management are  significant drivers of cost for many TS / RDS customers.  By including the right to use App-V for TS as part of the TS & RDS CALs we have simplified licensing and enabled as many of our RDS customers to enjoy the benefits that App-V for TS provides; which in addition to solving app-to-app conflicts and multiuser application conflicts also enables you to do the following for both you terminal servers and session host (session hosts are the new name for terminal servers!):

·         Consolidate Session Host / terminal servers and end server siloing

·         End application conflicts and regression testing

·         Accelerate application deployment for Session Hosts

·         Reduce Deployment Risk

·         Simplify Profile Management

For more information on the benefits of Microsoft Application Virtualization for Terminal Services see http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/appv/terminalsvcs.mspx

The App-V CAL for TS will not be available for purchase after November 1st 2009.

Note: This does not affect App-V for Desktop licensing on Windows .  App-V for Desktops continues to be included and licensed via the Microsoft Desktop Optimization Pack (MDOP) with no change.

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  • Thanks, Alex!

    Kudos for explaining how licensing will work for R2. MS Licensing can sometimes be somewhat arcane and confusing.

    Pat

  • >MS Licensing can sometimes be somewhat arcane and confusing

    Sometimes?

  • Inclusion of AppV licenses is a great change

  • can the new 2008 remote desktop CAL be "downgraded" to use with existing windows server 2003 terminal services, since the 2003 TS CAL no longer appears to be listed in my ditributors MS licensing portal.

  • You don't need to downgrade Windows Server 2008 CAL to be used for Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server. When your terminal server running Windows Server 2003 will try to connect to a license server having only Windows Server 2008 TS CALs, license server will issue Windows Server 2008 TS CAL to the client connecting through Windows Server 2003 terminal server. But for this to work, you need to make sure that you haven't set 'License Server Security Group Policy' on your license server.

    Hope that helps!

    Thanks

    Silvia

  • can RDS CAL's be downgraded to be used on a MS 2k3 Terminal server?

  • @Pete: The above reply is applicable to your question as well.

  • Under the "Transition Pricing & Availability" section: Can you please clarify what you mean by..."if you have any version of Terminal Services or Remote Desktop Services you should purchase Windows Server 2008 RDS CALs."?  I  assume you mean moving forward, future purchases should be Win2K8 RDS CALs, correct?  I have a customer with over 700 WinTS CALs and I need to know the impact, if any, this transition means to their current 700.

    Thx,  

  • @AC

    if you have Windows Server 2008 TS CAL you have what you need for App-V for TS

    if you have Windows Server 2003 TS CAL and want App-V for TS you will need to purchase Windows Server 2008 RDS CALs.

    Hope that clarifies.

  • I saw somewhere that the use of RDS from a client system also required that client system to have a Windows CAL in addition to a RDS CAL. If the client device is not accessing any services from any Windows server other than RDS, would this extra lisc be necessary?

    -Robert Morris

    rmorris@agsi.us

  • I connect to a Virtual Desktop THROUGH RDS, what about teh App-V Client on the Virtual Desktop? As it sits on RDS, I suppose you can use the App-V License included in RDS.

  • windows2003Cals and win2008 cals seperate terminal servers in our org, hence what is the upgrade option ?,

    1)and to use App-v is it must to purchase RDS.

    2)can we continue without RDS instead of only win TS2008 lic. ?

    (actually we dont require remote desktop service so we can continue the deployment of win2008R2 with our win2008 server ts cals ?)

  • We have a new server that came with windows2008 R2 and with "25" CAL - (NUMBER of Client Access Licenses). If I enable Terminal Server and the licensing, do I still need the TS license? Do I need the same amount of TS license?

    I will have 25 to 27 remote users and the only thing I have on the server is a piece of paper saying "NUMBER of CLIENT ACESS LICENSES: **25**

    What about the built-in 5 user license is it still applicable on Windows2008?

    Thanks

  • Yes, you'll need to either purchase RDS CALs for each user or client device, or enroll in VECD + Microsoft's VDI Suite Premium Edition which includes Hyper-V, SCCM, SCVMM, SCOM, MDOP, Full RDS CAL and App-V.

  • Sorry people I have no affinity with license! But I have to know the next for one of my customer:

    The environment will be built on terminal Server Windows 2008 (R2). The clients have a thin client with Windows XP and will connect to the server. The customer has TS 2003 CAL now.

    I would like to know:

    1- Can I upgrade this CAL`s(about 150#)to that for Windows 2008 (R2)

    2- What do I need (qua license) to build this environment?

    3- Is Windows XP(SP3 or 2?) client enough to connect to this Terminal Server environment?

    4- Is this right to say if I buy RDS license for TS 2008 I can also use App-V freely for TS servers? So yes, what kind of license  do I need for my fat clients to use App-V?

    Tank you

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