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re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Marco Ensing — Mon, 28 Jun 2004 16:41:00 GMT

Scott,

I've been working for more than 10 years on rule based systems, and specially on rule representation formats like Decision Tables, or Decision Trees.

I started a little blog on the Rules part inside BizTalk. I called it BizKnowledge.
http://bizknowledge.blogspot.com/2004/05/power-to-business-expert.html
<a href="http://bizknowledge.blogspot.com/2004/05/power-to-business-expert.html"> BizKnowledge</a>

Things what surprissed me the most is that the rule editor is still too technical for the business expert. Does he really care if a business term is defined in a database or in an xml schema? Should that not be decoupled from expressing the business logic.

And what is up with the debugger? traces? I'm a technical person, but what is offered by BizTalk is swahili to me. It really does not make sense at all. How do I know if a rule fired, how can I see if a rule contradicts another rule. The generated trace might give a clue to sherlock homes, but hey we are dealing here with business people, non IT people.
So even if it start making sense to me. I don't think I would be normally be the one who would write the rules.

I also find it very good to put the responsibility of the business logic as close to the business experts as possible (eliminating the Knowledge Elicitation process) but in order to do so, you need much better tool support.

I really like the orchestration and the ability to define your own ports, great stuff. But the rule policies are at the moment very limited and has a lot of room to grow.

I hope to submit some really interesting stuff for the BizTalk competition, but I don't know yet if I can find a place to host my BizTalk SO Architecture.

Regards,

Marco Ensing
l.a.marco (at) sbcglobal . net

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Jon Fancey — Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:51:00 GMT

Scott, I sent you an email on this (via your Contact link - should I have posted my reply here?

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Abdul Sait — Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:46:00 GMT

Scott:

I have been working with BizTalk ever since it was in Beta, and I really like the product. I have been training the other companies of my corporation and trying to get them on-board with XML and BizTalk. I must say they have been amazingly receptive to new technology. My schedule is starting to get occupied with meetings and introduction sessions on biztalk.

I have also been assigned to design a model that will server as the direction and architecture for BizTalk and the role it will play in the business processes for all the companies in the corporation... that is over 50 companies.

Primarily I have been doing a lot of orchestrations, Schema design, and BAS stuff. I have also been working heavily on BAM recently. Although, one an unrelated issues, I have a problem in trying to design and implement a tracking feature that will allow managers to track all transactions that run through all the orchestrations on the HUB server. If I dont find a resolution on what I am trying, I will be knocking the doors of some forums/blogs... or maybe even send a plea of help to you.

Anyway, I would love to be a part of your forum/group. I like the product, specially because as developers we dont have to worry about plumbing, inventing messaging systems that work for everyone, and then watch the hair on heads turn white due to stress of managing the systems. My point is, using this product gives a lot of time to focus on Business Logic, that is core to the systems we are designing. I think I can be productive to your process, and contribute to the future of BizTalk 2004.

Regards.

You can reach me at ARSait@taylorcorp.com

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Panchy — Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:19:00 GMT

Hi Scott:

If °funded° means MS wants free advice and feedback to figure out how to improve the product at the expense of someone else's time, then I think you should reconsider your offer and think of something a little more mutually beneficial. As you say, BizTalk is the biggest C program written so far on the planet. Great. Congratulations. Live up to the expectations then. Are you having budget problems? That would be hard to believe. Innovation doesn't usually happen without blood, sweat and tears -- only a few fortunate people on this earth can afford to just give that away. Maybe I misunderstand your terminology.

Regards,
Panchy

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Dinakar Manchiraju — Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:51:00 GMT

Scott,
I am currently working with BTS 2004 to inegrate our ERP to our web site.I definitely am interested, I do not know what you mean by funded but I guess I am. Here is the info you asked for.
1. Cannot tell in hours but, I have been working on it since its release. definitely more than a 100 hours.

2. Working on Biztalk Messaging,Orchestration,Rules,Mapper etc.

3.1 Integration into VS.NET is cool!
3.2 Like the SQL adapter
3.3 I think it could be improved to by exapnding on the polling service.

If you have any questions or would like to contact me, send me an email at:

dinakar.manchiraju@tbg.riogrande.com

Thanks,
Dinakar.

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Scott Woodgate — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:36:00 GMT

Its getting really close a few weeks of writing and then publishing time. Sorry for the delay I hope its worth it. Lots of people (many SMEs) are involved.

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Jon Fancey — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:32:00 GMT

Yes, I'm looking forward to the book as well! It appears to have been delayed for a while though?

re: Thinking futures: Need a few BizTalk Server experts to come to town

Steve Newton. — Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:10:00 GMT

Just wanted to say that the MSDN TV webcast was great and I am eagerly awaiting the delivery of MS Biz Server 2004 Developer's Guide.

I'm not an expert in Biztalk yet but with some hard work over the coming month I will hopefully be in a position to work with you in the future.

Regards
Steve
s.newton@rhi.net