Any good politician, regardless of leaning, knows that the language you use to frame a topic is key to how it is perceived. By repeatedly using pejorative terms to describe your own position and that of your opponents, you start to move a debate onto your own terms. Of course, those with a little more critical insight can see beyond the rhetoric, and note that the act of saying something is just wishful thinking if it’s not actually backed up by facts.
I was therefore somewhat intrigued to read Adobe’s latest commentary on Silverlight, which implies that AIR is in huge demand and that interest in Silverlight is waning. It’s obviously in Adobe’s interests to try and create this perception – they want to protect their Flash market share by shutting out new market entrants – but just saying something doesn’t make it true.
Let’s look at the record. Adobe claim that they have 100 million downloads of AIR, and that “the vast majority are being driven by great, popular applications”, listing the likes of Adobe Media Player, Tweetdeck and Twhirl as the most popular examples. Yet they have been actively bundling AIR with Adobe [Acrobat] Reader, one of the most downloaded applications on the Internet, and you don’t even have an option to opt out of its installation. Can it really be true that “the vast majority are being driven by great, popular applications”? By framing AIR in this way, Adobe are hoping to create a self-fulfilling prophecy – but the reality is rather less positive.
Similarly, the idea that Silverlight is in anything other than rude health is more to do with what Adobe would like to be the case, rather than what actually is the case. The suggestion that “Silverlight adoption has fizzled out in the last 6-9 months” is pretty risible, in fact. For starters, Silverlight 2 shipped four months ago, and in just the first month of its availability, we saw over 100 million successful installations just on consumer machines. That doesn’t sound like “fizzling out” to me – in fact, it makes Garrett’s comments seem as if he’s living in a fantasy world.
Let’s look at the kinds of applications that use Silverlight 2 to great effect. We’ve already talked a lot about how the NBC coverage of the Olympics took full advantage of Silverlight, delivering five times as many video streams as the 2004 event in HD quality. Since then, we’ve seen many similar sites go live. Just looking at the media space alone:
Of course, Silverlight is more than a media player – with a rich WPF-based application framework, enterprises and web sites are starting to use the new capabilities introduced in Silverlight 2 to build powerful RIAs. AOL Mail is just one very early example of this, but there are plenty of others in development that we’ll talk about in due course.
In short, we’re delighted with the progress of Silverlight, just four months after the release of Silverlight 2. While we’re not complacent about the work ahead, it’s almost amusing to read about stagnation when we’re seeing the Silverlight ecosystem really build momentum.
Don’t let Adobe’s attempt to frame the debate confuse you about the reality of the marketplace; instead, pick the tools that match your needs and skills. Whether you pick Flash or Silverlight, know that you’re choosing a technology that has broad market adoption and a vibrant ecosystem.
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Wow, there are some toughs comments against Adobe here... it's sad there is sometimes no real arguments.
I just wanted to know, Tim, as you speak of "over 100 million successful installations just on consumer machines", if you have a link with all these new numbers and the way you ensure the installation is completed.
The last Silverlight numbers I remember are from october 2008... any updates since?
Thanks in advance, Fabien
From Tim Sneath blog, in response to Adobe’s comment on Silverlight http://blogs.msdn.com/tims/archive/2009/02/11/silverlight-is-fizzing-not-fizzling.aspx
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Why on EARTH or in heaven or hell do people install the Acrobat reader? It's slow, bulky and hideous. Foxit Reader is much much lighter and free and loads in less than a second.
Interesting that two of their top-listed applications are Twitter clients - with the release of blu (WPF app from thirteen23), which stands out in my opinion as the best Twitter client, I wonder what will happen there?
Our major pain points with Flash/Air have been resource utilization. I follow a number of notables on Twitter who complain of similar things. In fact, it might be more apparent on Twitter because of the predominance of Twirl/Tweetdeck.
I'm a Microsoft fan and developer so I'm not making this comment to put Siverlight down, but I would just like to point something out. You mentioned that AIR is so popular because it is bundled with Acrobat Reader, but Silverlight is pushed through Windows Update. Granted you can opt out of the install, but doesn't that skew the numbers in a similar way that Adobe's bundling does?
Dr. Baker - I don't think Silverlight is pushed via Windows Update, but maybe Tim can clarify. It looks to me like it's offered as an optional install (i.e. you have to go to the applet and actually select it from the Optional list) for *Microsoft Update*, which is the same channel where Office updates and such are pushed out.
now, i hang around on c9, im a .net fanboy and i love silverlgiht :)
but you gotta agree that its in your interest to promote silverlight over flash and it would be strange if you werent biased towards silverlight :) after all, SL is pushed in through windows update right? (really im asking, i think it is that way but im not sure) if it is, thats no less inflating to installbase numbers as the flash bundle :)
now dont get me wrong, i WANT SL to be ubiquitous, but im just comparing the comments from both the camps :)
even so, i think silverlgiht i a far better platform than flash, its faster, more flexible, language independent, fairly open specced and has a far superior achitecture :)
what i guess im trying to say, try not to stoop to their level :) i dont think you do in this post but its a slippery slope :) just keep presenting independently gatherd statistics and promote the platforms strengths, there are plenty of them :)
As someone wanting to develop rich internet content I have recently been comparing Flash and Silverlight, and I have to say Silverlight ticks so many boxes - Flash is very expensive and requires learning new programming languages, whereas I have quickly got to grips with my first Silverlight application, in which I can easily re-use my .NET experience.
However, from my perspective the adoption of Silverlight has been severely hampered by its non-support of older CPUs lacking the SSE instruction set. There are a huge number of users that are running PCs too old to even install Silverlight, even with Windows XP as their OS, and what website would be entirely comfortable excluding so many of their potential users?
If it wasn't for this it would be a no brainer, but for the time being, Flash still has the ability to run on far more platforms than Silverlight, which is stifling its adoption somewhat.
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Some interesting discussion going on here.
I have to agree that the comment on Adobe packing AIR with Acrobat Reader is somewhat off. Like Microsoft will not pack Silverlight 2 in Windows 7?
As for the comments on only talking about consumer applications, this is for two main reasons.
A: Flash has no real potential when it comes to building an enterprise application, so no use in comparing on that front.
B: Information about this is usualy restricted to the company that builds the solution.
I can say that the company I work for is using Silverlight 2 for their new UI on an enterprise application.
I just found a link to this article... I didn't know Microsoft was still working on Silverlight! I remember when it came out a couple years ago, but I just assumed everyone was working on SongSmith now?
Each to their own tools. The question I want to ask is, shouldn't it be PR's job to clarify the matter? Why this blog in particular?
The way to Adobe's heart Web bling tone Adobe Systems' chief financial officer Mark Garrett has said Silverlight is fizzling. Microsoft's director of client platform evangelism Tim Sneath has said it's fizzing. So the RIA war continues.…