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Some days, I am very proud to work at this company - and today is one of them.  I have to admit there are some days that I am both embarrassed and apologetic for things I've seen us do but I can tell you they are the rare days.  You've heard me say several times that we take customer feedback very seriously and we listen.  Today was a good day...

We've been having a good conversation on my SP1 thread.  We've gotten several good bits of feedback from that thread, from Soma's blog and from others.  I did 3 things today:

I sent mail to Soma and the marketing team about the feedback we are getting about supporting VS2003 on Vista.  He had heard the same feedback and had already called a meeting for today with the appropriate people in the division to discuss it.  I can't promise we're going to change our position but the feedback is being heard at the highest level and being seriously considered.

Next I sent mail to Soma, and a handful of other people up and down the customer support hierarchy, DevDev Servicing team and product groups about the feedback you've given me on the difficulty of discovering and downloading hot fixes.  Everyone agreed that this is good feedback and a problem worth solving.  We proposed a trial (for some portion of VS) of creating a broadly available download site that would include a list of hot fixes and the ability to download them and give feedback.  Within 3 hours, we had agreement and had identified 5 people to put together a plan.  I am expecting to hear a proposal and timeline by the end of next week.  And you think Microsoft is big and fat and can't respond quickly?

Lastly, I sent mail to the Framework team to find out more info about their SP plan and detailed on the JIT bug involving String.IsNullOrEmpty.  I discovered that the resolution of the bug on the Product Feedback center was incorrect.  The CLR team takes fixing JIT bugs VERY seriously.  They have fixed the issue, plan to release the fix in Orcas and in a Whidbey service pack before then.  In the mean time, there are some work arounds.  I found that they are working on a plan for .NET 2.0 SP1 but haven't been in a hurry because the quality of what they shipped has been very high.  They have received very few hot fix requests and this is a key metric they use in determining how urgent an SP is.  I haven't searched hard for issues people have had but I'll say we've built a huge .NET based app (Team Foundation Server) and what they say resonates to me - we have found very little in the way of serious issues.  None-the-less, they are working on an SP1 plan and will ship one although I don't have a date at this point.

I have a comment ready to go back at work with responses to more points on the SP1 thread and I'll submit it as soon as I get back to the office.  I had to leave early today to go to my sister-in-law's wedding rehersal :)

Some days are great days.  Thanks for your feedback and I promise we'll keep listening.  I can't promise we'll do everything you ask but we'll certainly consider all of it and when there's concensus, it makes sense, it's economically viable and can be fit in with all of the other priorities (also driven by customers), we'll do it.

Brian

Published Friday, September 29, 2006 9:12 PM by bharry

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# re: Some days...

"Within 3 hours, we had agreement and had identified 5 people to put together a plan.  I am expecting to hear a proposal and timeline by the end of next week.  And you think Microsoft is big and fat and can't respond quickly?"

People are requesting this for years so yes Microsoft is big and fat and can't respond quickly but we don't blame you guys.
Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:51 AM by gabriel.lozano

# re: Some days...

"We proposed a trial (for some portion of VS) of creating a broadly available download site that would include a list of hot fixes and the ability to download them and give feedback".

I don't think to have one more site to get updates done it is a good idea. All MS products should be developed in a process that allows to use the existing Microsoft Update.

It is a best experience to consumers to have a single entry point to do it and gives MS a more consistent image of its technical support.

Just my opinion though,

António Cruz
antonio.cruz@co.sapo.pt
Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:58 AM by António Cruz

# re: Some days...

You have a good point.  That option is being explored as well.  However, in my estimation that will take many more months to happen (if it does) as it involves people from multiple divisions and will have more constraints.

I think we'll do something focused on DevDiv first and then look to move to something using a company wide solution like Microsoft Update if we are successful with our "experiment".

Brian
Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:06 AM by bharry

# re: Some days...

Thank you! This is better news than what I read the other day on Soma's blog. I really hope that you are successful on your missions!

Monday, October 02, 2006 2:43 PM by Klaus Enevoldsen

# re: Some days...

Wow !!

You rock Brian !!, I fell that you are the first to take the developers feedback seriously and show it to the right people !!! my 10 for that !!!

I think that if you really do the things that you propose in that post a lot of things will be better for us and you, and really provide a GREAT DEV EXPERIENCE !!

Good news about the building up .NET 2.0 FX SP

We are forgiving you if you take this actions, this is how the MS teams must react to dev feedback, we love your technologies, but we are in front of real and complex bussines system and we MUST focus on our solutions and NOT in the VS or .NET bugs (Is very very hard to explain to a boos that I lose 3 hs solving a problem in the VS or calling the support for a HotFix, they pay us for our work, and pay YOU for a good dev environment, so they don't understand this things) this is why a lot of us post some bad comments in your blogs, because we fell that we are living in a paralel world where .NET 3.0 and WPF is so FAR from now to us ...

Best luck Brian

Marcos

Monday, October 02, 2006 5:18 PM by Marcos Meli

# re: Some days...

Brian:   This is all great.   I'd like to suggest a feature like windows update or integrating hotfixes into the general update architecture for VS hotfixes.

Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:54 AM by James Moore

# VSTS Links - 10/04/2006

Aaron Hallberg on Team Build API: GetListOfBuilds. Brian Harry on Bug fixes in TFS SP1 and Some Days....

Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:02 PM by Team System News

# re: Some days...

Ah, I only wish MS would make the same effort to get SQL Server 2000 to run on Vista. I guess they don't realize that 90% of the SQL Server installations today are running the 2000 version (or older). IT organizations all over the world are troubled by MS's inability to support these existing systems. Telling them to move to SQL Server 2005 is like telling them to eat cake when there is no bread. It's far too expensive for them to move to SQL Server 2005--at least in the near term. These conversions can take years. This will surely slow down the adoption of Vista in the IT communities.

Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:48 PM by Bill Vaughn

# re: Some days...

It is quite interesting the shift in Microsoft focus, you guys have been extremely dynamic/fluid in the release of CTP/Beta/RC builds of upcoming products such as Office, Vista, Server products etc, however the development tools to produce applications on these platforms just sit there and linger.

I agree with most here and we mostly point back to VB6 having 6 service packs over it's life. The Service Pack intervals have to increase or all you are doing is holding back development.

Thursday, October 05, 2006 11:26 AM by Michael Proctor

# re: Some days...

Can you please follow up on how your conversations are going on this?

Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:14 AM by Random Developer

# re: Some days...

Sorry, didn't mean to leave your comment hanging.  I've followed up in subsequent posts.

Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:01 AM by bharry

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