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When I first got the idea of digging up my old tapes and digitizing them before I lost them for good, I was chatting with another ‘softie (I believe it may have been Craig Ziegler, who manages the test team for the WDK) at the big party during WinHEC 2008 (so I did do something there besides play Halo 3).  At about that time, the music being played switched to the Donna Summer classic “(She works) Hard For The Money”.  That was one of the tunes I wanted to see if I could capture one of my “covers” of.

Perhaps in part because of that Grateful Dead influence, I was always a very improvisational player- that song was a part of my bands’ repertoire through much of the 80’s, both when I played the bass, and later after i switched to the guitar.  I always liked it, and my approach to it was always laden with drama- lots of energy, catchy motifs [well, I though they were catchy], strong attacks on key parts- perhaps overly bombastic- but hey, that’s how I thought it should be played and I was the one with the instrument.  While I was aware of the underlying theme the song had, I always treated it more as an anthem for women in the workforce.  In part because my career included an era where things were a lot tougher than they are now.  “She works hard for her money, and you better treat her right”.

I’ve managed to find two instances that I play in my office (and in my car, and on my xBox, thanks to that fine SanDisk USB thumb drive I got as a WinHEC freebie)- one where I play the bass in a live performance [and I thought it captured the nuance of that night well]- the other with guitar- but it was at a practice, and fairly early one- so the leads aren’t very inspired, there are presentational inconsistencies [more than usual], and I make a few more flubs than usual.  I know I had at least one solid live performance on guitar, but I may have lost that tape.  Ahh well, now that I’m practicing again, maybe I can recreate those lost glories- not that anyone but me actually cares, but one ought to have some purpose in life, right?

At any rate, while listening to the two of them back-to-back last week, the basic idea of this article came to me.  So perhaps this will be less half-baked than others have been…

I’ve been fortunate enough to have had several women as managers or coworkers [I also employed quite a few at the Laundromat, had more sisters than brothers, and my mother was herself a strong influence on me].  I owe most of them some debt of gratitude.

My first long-term job after graduating from Caltech was at IBM in Owego, NY.  The interviews there were interesting to me- I had two in their Electronic Design Automation group, and it was one of those experiences where you just light up and enjoy it.  I’d been working as an electronics technician on and off since graduation (one of the things I had acquired and needed to rid myself of during my college years was a distaste for computer programming, which had been one of my first loves prior to that- I had decided I’d rather work toward being a EE, instead), and had been thinking about application of computers to digital circuit design and testing.  I’d discussed some of them with coworkers and had the “not possible- way too hard- you’re crazy to think like that” kind of response- but here I was interviewing with a group that was doing exactly that- and it was working quite well.  Since I’d already been thinking along those lines, I could ask intelligent questions, etc.  The interviews went well.

But I did terrible things at Caltech- things like skipping exams because I knew I would get a passing grade without taking them [not a good grade, just a passing one]- so I had a rather poor GPA.  Low enough I did not meet the corporate hiring guidelines.  The hiring manager seemed to consider me a bit of a nerd, and he also judged a lot on those numbers.  His manager was a woman- she had attended grade school near Caltech, and I had also interviewed with her.  She intervened, and I was hired in spite of some resistance.  So I definitely owe a woman my first good start in the high-tech industry.

But the things I used to hear!  That she had to agree not to have a family life in order to have the management job, for instance.  Or later, assertions of tokenism.  In those days, I was pretty naive- so it was hard to judge how much was true, how much was cattiness, how much was just plain made up out of spite and jealousy.  So I may have accepted more of it as truthful than I should have.  But it didn’t seem fair.  So as she progressed (at least as far as a divisional vice president, last I knew) I gave a few silent cheers, and didn’t contribute to or spread all the gossipy stuff.

The working environment certainly wasn’t friendly- that much was true.  One incident I recall later in my tenure there was my mentioning pointedly in an employee poll the plight I observed of one of my fellow engineers.  The men hired at about the same time as she was had been given desirable assignments and good career paths- high-profile design and engineering tasks.  Her assignment was to track equipment being checked in and out of the equipment closet.  When she agitated for something a bit more technical, she was given a project that was clearly doomed to spectacular failure (budget had already been spent, technical approach was flawed in the opinion of most of the experienced engineers on the team, etc).  I had a distinct sense that this was deliberate and retributive and found it reprehensible.  Such opinions of course had to be written, and my writing style is distinct enough it was clear who raised the issue- only deliberate obfuscation of submitted material could have hid it, and no place I’ve ever been that conducts such surveys resorts to that.  So I shouldn’t have been surprised that the next project that came along that I had a strong interest in was given to her.  But that was probably a good choice, as it turned out- I pushed way beyond my limits in those days- she was a bit more sensible.

Now I don’t think what I was seeing matched the desires of the top management of the company, even then [and I’m equally certain it would not be regarded positively now].  I’m merely discussing perceived changes from my viewpoint.  Cultural changes- both societal and within other aggregations such as a corporation, take time.  Personal change as well, [and there’s been a bit of that, fortunately] for that matter.

After coming to Microsoft, I experienced what at the time I would have termed a more “liberal” working environment.  Family leaves, etc.  While women were rare, there wasn’t quite the same sense of class difference.  I tried to take some of those lessons to heart when I was the boss [the Laundromat again].  I tried to provide flexible arrangements, allowed employees to bring children to work when there were day care problems, etc.  The pay was terrible (as I’ve noted elsewhere, the venture bankrupted me in all but the legal sense of seeking the protection), but I wouldn’t have paid a man more.  I always paid more than minimum wage- but not much more.  So I suppose in that sense my employment of them could be deemed exploitation- but that certainly wasn’t my intent.

I’ll skip over a few bits of reminiscence- don’t need them.  Today I find myself working for a woman again [and one could even argue she was promoted to the spot over my head- it happens I don’t have a problem with that, though].

Now I could go on about how well I think that turned out [she’s a good leader, I’ve said it before, and I still believe it, and try to do what I can to help], but that’s not what I intend.  It’s the difference in environments across that span of time, and the direction of the progress as I see it.  Sometimes she works from home- sometimes she has to drop things to attend to family and child care issues.  Nobody sees anything wrong with that, as far as I can tell.  It doesn’t affect her being an effective leader or manager.  The organization supports it, and we as her team support it.

After mentally composing much of that, I found we have new board member- again a woman, and computer science professor…

With a daughter of my own soon to enter the work force- it’s good to consider these things.  There has been progress- the journey may not be over, perhaps many are not satisfied with the pace- but at least it’s the right direction.  I consider myself fortunate to work for the company I work for- that it values these things, and makes these efforts- to produce a more inclusive and diverse workforce.  One that respects these things and its employees.

Now Playing: Troy- Ghost in the Shell: Stand-Alone Complex Soundtrack- Monochrome

Published Friday, March 13, 2009 6:22 AM by BobKjelgaard
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# re: Progress

Nice stories.

My experience has been a bit different in that area. I've always worked for small companies, where women were not ever discriminated against. Also, I'm a youngster still - I entered the workforce in '98, so I can only speak for the last 10 years. In my 10 years working for small companies, I've never seen discrimination.

I did get into a bit of trouble at my college, though, from a classroom discussion in "Computers and Society" class. The lady professor was of the opinion that women in the workforce and education were still being discriminated against - badly - and pointed out the small number of women in the class as evidence of this continuing discrimination.

When the topic was opened to discussion, I pointed out that I was of the opinion that gender discrimination was pretty much a thing of the past - at least in education; I couldn't speak for the workforce at the time. For my evidence, I pointed out that every single girl in the room was on a no-questions-asked, full-ride scholarship for no other reason that they were girls working towards a CS degree (the same was true for math degrees, too). I, on the other hand, was expected to work my way through like every other guy in the room. I concluded by stating that there were few women in the field because few women *want* to be computer scientists, not because there was so much opposition to overcome.

I passed the class with a C - and not because my papers were poor quality, believe me. My professor became head of the CS department the year after I graduated. The funny thing is that I was approached by several girls in the class later in private, and was informed that they agreed with me.

I'm a white male, and I disagree with discrimination completely. I've been the recepient of both gender discrimination and racial discrimination, although both times it was very minor.

It's all about balance.

Saturday, March 14, 2009 9:19 PM by Stephen Cleary

# re: Progress

Stephen-

Thanks for reading my blog and for taking the time to comment. I believe a prolonged discussion of this subject could quickly degenerate into something rather heated- it was perhaps a foolish choice of subject on my part.  If I intended to be a political or ideological blogger, I’d have simply done so.

But this has led to some further thinking on my part, so I’ll see if I can respond without this heading in such a direction.

My underlying theme is that I see Microsoft as a place where I can see personal success- to a degree I’ve not found achievable anywhere else in my career.  Shefali [my current lead] is a part of that environment- an important part.  

My work life has improved- some of that is due to changes in myself, and other improvements I attribute to her [and other people, not that the last bit is relevant to this discussion].

In my opinion, though, this isn’t as much about discrimination per se, as it is about the working environment.  Most of the items I mentioned (flexibility in schedules, being able to work from home, and so forth) can also benefit people who are not parents or caregivers- but they can make a really big difference to those who are- the difference between success and failure.  Culturally, women are still generally the primary caregivers for children.  So I believe it is fair to characterize such policies as woman-friendly [and I understand there are organizations who do rankings and comparisons that feel that way, as well], even though that doesn’t have to be the intent [or sole intent] of such policies.

The first woman I alluded to was (admittedly according to rumor) forced to choose between family /children and career.  Men do not face the same choice (at least not to the same extent) - to deny that is to simply refuse to clearly observe the world around oneself.  I could not demand such a choice of anyone (especially since I am a parent myself and know of both the joys and challenges of that option) in good conscience- as an employer myself, I never did.  But this is one of those areas of hard choices when one has a business to run- I’m not trying to cast stones or assign motives when someone makes different choices.

There are trade-offs between “Work” and “life”.  Microsoft recognizes these, and also that the balance isn’t the same for everyone, and tries to provide an environment where these differences can be accommodated.  I’m pleased that it does.  As I tried to conclude- the fact that (IMO) the environment is better now is not just good for my lead.  It’s good for me- I have my problems, my needs, and the fact that (again IMO) the organization treats and respects us as individuals with differing needs bodes well for me, too.

I also know that not all organizations have such policies or goals [and their circumstances can be such that these differences are justifiable- assuming anyone has to justify anything to me].  I ran a business- one in severe trouble- I know it isn’t easy.  So I’m not saying those that don’t do this are evil or deficient in some fundamental way.  It’s not my place to judge them.

In my opinion [and all of this is my opinion, not my company’s], labeling these differences as discriminatory or non-discriminatory without considering a much bigger picture can amount to imputing motives without evidence.  There are courts and legislatures and commissions galore to make such determinations- none of that belongs in my blog.

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:25 AM by BobKjelgaard
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