Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

Keith Hill — Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:04:16 GMT

This is another reason why TF should probably break from tradition and refer to this operation as "edit" or "Make editable". The term checkout carries baggage with it that is going to confuse people until they form the correct mental model for TF. Same goes for checkin, which IMO should be called "commit". Why? Because you wouldn't think that "checkin" applies to directories you've added, files you have renamed or branches you have created. The term "commit" OTOH fits better and helps convey a more accurate mental model. It's not too late to give up obsolete terminology and pick terms that accurately reflect TF reality. :-)

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

buckh — Mon, 22 Aug 2005 02:31:36 GMT

From the command line, you actually have that choice. Edit and checkout are command aliases, and so are submit and checkin. In both the GUI and the command line, the status will show "edit" for a checked out file. The GUI uses only the traditional VS/VSS terminology for the actions, though.

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re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

Keith Hill — Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:29:53 GMT

I knew about the edit command line alias which I do like. I didn't know about the "submit" alias though. Is there a compelling reason not to just call it "commit" instead of "submit"? Of course, either one is still better than checkin IMO. :-)

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

buckh — Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:17:22 GMT

There's no compelling reason. Lots of people have had various opinions about it, though.

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

Keith Hill — Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:50:55 GMT

Yeah it just seems that the term "commit" has a well known meaning that is more inline with what happens when you checkin files in TF. "Submit" also has meaning but is more geared toward "submitting a job" which I think is not quite accurate for TF. I kind of wish the VS UI would switch between between edit/checkout and commit/checkin depending on how you set up the exclusive lock mode. If you choose to work more like CVS/Subversion then edit/commit would appear on the menus/toolbars. If you choose exclusive (checkout) locks then stick with checkout/checkin. Just a thought. Sorry to be so nit-picky. The whole of TF is awesome from my experience so far. I would just like to see you get it as close to perfect as possible. I want to have the best shot of justifying a migration off our "other" SCM system. :-)

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re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

Ron Buckton — Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:45:46 GMT

Resolve/Merge is often more complex than a get operation. Wouldn't it make sense to either prompt the user if they want to get latest, or at least provide some visual indication that the current file you have just "made editable" differs from the latest version in source control? On a .NET 2.0/TFS project i'm working on currently we are constantly running into issues due to the fact that the "get latest" operation is not performed and no notification that the file has changed is made available.

I have no problem with the choice to use the current file over a get latest as it does make sense from a consistency perspective however I think some type of "bubble tip", status bar notification, or output window message would serve to make this easier to see and track.

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

buckh — Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:12:56 GMT

Ron, I agree that notification that you don't have the latest when you pend an edit is helpful, and we actually produce that info. I don't think it was communicated in VS in beta 2 (you'd get the messages using h.exe, but VS wouldn't necessarily process them). In the July CTP and the upcoming beta 3, you'll get those messages in the Output window in VS.

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

Rob — Mon, 05 Sep 2005 16:50:01 GMT

"if you attempt to checkin your changes, and you don't have the latest copy" - how is this determination made exactly?

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re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

Mayur N. — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:53:35 GMT

Though this is a beaten-to-death topic, I feel the urge to vent some bottled-up frustration! I do see the merits of the "consistent code snapshot" philosophy but, having gone through the pain of resolving a whole flock of avoidable conflicts in my team due to "stale edits" on first moving from VSS to TFS, I consider the lack of notification and the total omission of the "get latest on check out" option a near-criminal miss by the TFS Dev team. Why does it have to be "my way or the highway"?! After all, it was Microsoft's home-grown VSS that inculcated these "bad" habits to begin with! Now Microsoft may well have the luxury of putting all their new developers through a comprehensive TFS training program before their projects begin but the least I would expect in a VSS successor is a dialog box the first time around with the option to control default behavior! Oh well, at least 2008 brings some relief...

re: Why doesn't Team Foundation get the latest version of a file on checkout?

buckh — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:45:36 GMT

Mayur, you'll be happy to know that we've added an option in TFS 2008 to get the latest on checkout.

Buck

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