OneNote and Origami

re: OneNote and Origami

Bunyamin Najmi — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:37:48 GMT

Another Bill Gates Gold Mines.

re: OneNote and Origami

furu — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:11:46 GMT

Great! :) Now if only you can get rid of that title bar...

OneNote and Origami: Made for each other

UMPC Buzz — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 12:48:41 GMT

Chris Pratley lets us know that OneNote and Origami are perfect for each other:
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OneNote 2007 and the Ultra Mobile PC

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re: OneNote and Origami

Darks1de — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:00:06 GMT

Been following Origami for some time now, has some good potential of being a very usefull office device, more so than pocket PC's due to their compatibility problems.

The larger screen helps as well, the Sat Nav possibilities are definatley interesting.

Funny thing though With Bill strongly denying any market push towards handheld gaming / media handheld.
Strengly enough the device has good positioning of controls to the left and right?, and comes with Windows media Live library.

But with other more usefull application like onenote (which i use a lot between my desktop and laptop) will make this device even more appealing.

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re: OneNote and Origami

Mike Drips — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:31:35 GMT

If OneNote can't run in a mode better than "minimum UI" on the Origami based mini tablets then I definitely would not purchase nor recommend the purchase of one of those devices. The possibility of running OneNote was my only criteria for even considering the purchase of one of those mini-tablets.
No butt kissing intended, but OneNote is the only decent "upgrade" in the Office 2007 product, at least based on my daily usage of Beta 1. (Thank you, BitTorrent!)

re: OneNote and Origami

Wild about OneNote — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:35:23 GMT

Yeah, I agree -- I wish we could get rid of the title bar too. It would be so much better to be able to choose which screen elements to show in full-screen mode, just like Word. In Word the menu bar even autohides/autoshows when you point to the top of the screen.

In fact, when I'm writing notes I'm just writing -- I don't usually need any of the tools, except to expand page size -- and OneNote 2007 automatically expands so I don't need that anymore either. Plus I can always right-click.

Of all the applications that offer a full-screen mode, I would use it the most in OneNote, so I wish I could understand why the OneNote team chooses to keep us from having a true full-screen as an option.

re: OneNote and Origami

Question — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:39:01 GMT

How much different will inking be on a touch-screen versus the active digitizer, as in quality and handwriting recognition for searches? (Of course there wouldn't be pressure sensitivity, which I would miss.)

And how different/similar would it be to using the new OneNote for Windows Mobile/PocketPC devices?

re: OneNote and Origami

Ben — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:13:38 GMT

yeah, too much UI still...i want it to be REAL full screen with some dashboards that come up instead of a docked bar at the top...use some of that Aero in Vista!

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re: OneNote and Origami

Jeff Bridges — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:48:34 GMT

I want a full screen to write on in OneNote on the origami. Maybe a button in the top left that can slide our the title bar and ink options, but that's IT.

More importantly, can I change the screen's rotation? I don't want to write 800 pixels wide and only 480 pixels down - I'd much prefer a screen that is 480 wide by 800 long to write on. Makes more sense, at least to me, from a note-taking perspective.

Also, since it's a touch screen not a tablet, do I need to have my hand hover above while I write with the stylus, or can the machine figure out that when I lay my hand on the screen I don't want it marked down?

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Stefan Constantinescu — Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:48:08 GMT

Yuck at minimal mode, are you guys taking any ideas for them? I could whip up something in photoshop.

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David — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:11:07 GMT

Hmmm... new names for minimal mode...

Clean Screen
Notetaking mode
Pad View/ Pad mode
Sketch mode
OneView
Bikini mode (that one might not fly)

D.

re: OneNote and Origami

David — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 02:31:10 GMT

I just noticed on the MS site that there is a version of Sudoku in the games section for the UMPC's. Do you know if this will be standard, and if so, do you think it will be downloadable for us other TabletPC people?!

(I know, it's not OneNote related -- but I had a constructive post, too!)

D.

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Ron — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:41:35 GMT

I could definitely see the Origami product and OneNote replacing the little black Blueliner books that all us techie geeks like to take to meetings.

OneNote on a product the size of the Blueliner book would be fantastic; however, I need a keyboard to type at the speed I need to in order to take good notes.

I think it should have a slide-out keyboard ... like you see on some Smartphones.

re: OneNote and Origami

Scott — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 10:22:17 GMT

David ... if you are looking for a Tablet PC Sudoku game you ought to go and grab a copy of GoBinder 2006 ... There is a free Sudoku plug-in that you can download from the Agilix Forums!

re: OneNote and Origami

BORING — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:54:53 GMT

The year 2000 called, it wants its web tablets back.

re: OneNote and Origami

SassKwatch — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 19:21:11 GMT

http://www.mitsubishi-mobile.com/products/pen/cp/amity_cp.htm

After all the hype, the irony is that there is really nothing new here. Devices of this nature have been available in the past. We used the device linked to above at work for a couple yr back when Win98 was the 'in' desktop OS of the day......and Win2K was *just* coming to market.

Undoubtedly, a few improvements have been made, but the overall concept is nearly identical.

re: OneNote and Origami

Colin Walker — Sun, 12 Mar 2006 14:50:53 GMT

Chris,

With all the talk about UMPCs there seems to have been very little mention about actually inking on these devices. Is there any palm rejection technology employed on UMPCs? If not how effective is something like OneNote going to be on a UMPC?

re: OneNote and Origami

Chris_Pratley — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:03:55 GMT

Colin: My understanding is that the recommendation from Microsoft to the OEM manufacturers is to go with a slightly less pressure sensitive screen in order to get rid of palm pressure as an issue. That also means that a fingertip will often not register - you may need to use your fingernail or a stylus to push buttons or ink. Of course I have no idea what manufacturers will actually do.

As to the various comments about full screen, we just found our about Origami a few weeks ago ourselves (it was that secret) so we're just adapting minimal UI mode to it. I am not sure we'll have time to do anything specific to origami devices because of the late notice. That said, a lot of people use features like note flags while inking so hiding all UI is probably too much. Auto-hiding the title bar is harder than it should be. I've been using minimal UI mode on my tablet in portrait layout and I have to say I LOVE it.

OneNote Mobile is a totally different application from OneNote. OneNote Mobile has a different UI optimized for a very small screen (320x240). OneNote itself is the same on any PC, except on Origami and other Tablets it picks up a few additional tablet features.

darkS1de: I'm not sure what BillG reference you have about handheld media. We already provide software for the Portable Media Center which is a handlheld media effort.

re: OneNote and Origami

Colin Walker — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:01:29 GMT

Thanks for the response Chris. Let's hope the OEMs are following the guidance or some of the flexibility offered by UMPCs will be lost.

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Chris — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:41:07 GMT

What other things does this offer that a $400 Smartphone currently doesn't (ie value add).

I've got Word, Powerpoint, Access, Excel, Outlook (calendar, task, contacts). I can play movies, mps, podcasting, video podcasting, have pictures, watch TV and make phone calls.

...and it currently fits in my pocket vs. what still appears to me as something I would never take to a restaurant with me or go to the mall with?

Thanks for the response as I am new to this area.

Chris

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rlobrecht — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:02:26 GMT

How is the inking on a touch screen vs. an active digitizer? Any quality or recognizition lost?

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David — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:41:57 GMT

Chris (not Chris P) wrote:

"What other things does this offer that a $400 Smartphone currently doesn't (ie value add).

I've got Word, Powerpoint, Access, Excel, Outlook (calendar, task, contacts). I can play movies, mps, podcasting, video podcasting, have pictures, watch TV and make phone calls. "

The form factor is way different -- you could actually work for real on this machine, and I, personally, can't on my Samsung i730 (I presume this is the class of machine you were referring to).

Also, I can't stand "flipping pages" in an ebook after every paragraph on the small screen, or scrolling around on a web page to see everything, or trying to take notes in a meeting on that tiny screen, etc.

So, these devices are different tools for different times/places/people. I'm guessing you are not match to the new machines (or haven't realized it yet!). So be it...

D.

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re: OneNote and Origami

toub — Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:31:11 GMT

The implementation of Sudoku that ships with the UMPC devices has been released on MSDN at http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dntablet/html/tbconSudokuSampleFinal.asp. It will run on standard Tablet PCs, it includes the full source code, and it also includes a 60 page article explaining the code. Enjoy! :)

re: OneNote and Origami

jv — Mon, 15 May 2006 03:18:00 GMT

Chris, do you know if the new OneNote will be able to search for the notes you put into OneNote (like Word files and pdf files) not just your handwritten notes?

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Terry S — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:06:40 GMT

I have a Samsung Q1. Because the touch screen cannot discriminate between a stylus and my hand, OneNote is completely ineffective using ink. As I rest my hand on the screen to write, the touch screen recognizes the side of my and and all is lost (wild ink marks). I can't even imagine trying to use something like Alias Sketch. Visio might be OK though.

We need a way to temporarily turn off a portion of the touch screen so we can rest our hand while inking in OneNote. As it is, the Q1 is too uncomfortable to use with ink. There is a keyboard and case that holds both, but now the thickness doubles...less than ideal for a UMPC.

I may try finding a piece of plexiglass as a hand support, but then I'll probably wind up with scratches on glossy black case (and it's something else to carry around).

Guess I'll go back the overheating Motion LS800 (the Q1 is beautiful and about half the weight though...boo hoo).

re: OneNote and Origami

Terry S — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:08:12 GMT

I cannot find how to turn on the minimal mode in the main page of OneNote 2007...it comes up if I start a new note from the Task Bar, but I don't see another way...

re: OneNote and Origami

Rick Lobrecht — Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:42:44 GMT

Terry S.
I was hoping that an Oragami device would be the ultimate One Note machine, I'm very disappointed to hear your comments.

Let's hope MS and the manufacturers can figure something out.

Rick

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Terry S — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:39:22 GMT

Rick,
Right now it looks like the LS 800 is as close as it gets... bummer.

re: OneNote and Origami

Chris_Pratley — Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:42:07 GMT

Terry, for the hand issue, that was of course the main engineering thing that Microsoft worked out with the OEMs - otherwise the inking is useless as you discovered. As I mentioned above that should not be happening. I don't have a UMPC to check, but perhaps there is a setting in Control panel to adjust the sensitivity? In any case, is best to post this concern in the TablletPC blog or newsgroups. I am sure there is a fix. Also try Tablet PC Buzz forum on UMPC (http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=63)

The minimal UI button is to the right of the help menu (top row where the menus are)

re: OneNote and Origami

TerryS — Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:24:11 GMT

Chris, thanks for your comments. I've looked throughout the Control Panel and the Samsung provided driver applet. I've tried upgrading the driver from OEM touch screen site (a dismal failure). Nothing to improve the situation. I've posted a help request on TabletPCBuzz...let's see where that goes. It doesn't look like th TabletPC group is very active in Blogs, I will try the MS Newsgroups.

When tapping the full screen icon, OneNote still shows the menu line. When picking a new note from the taskbar, no menu line.

Another oddity about the Q1...it doesn't seem as though the TIP can be undocked. Others have experienced the same thing.

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