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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Chris Garty's Weblog : Object Relational</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: Object Relational</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2.1 SP1 (Build: 61025.2)</generator><item><title>MBF and WinFS: A view of the world I am entering</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/2004/09/22/232671.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:43:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:232671</guid><dc:creator>chrisgarty</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/comments/232671.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/commentrss.aspx?PostID=232671</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;font face="Verdana" size="2"&gt;&lt;a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/"&gt;Tim Brookins&lt;/a&gt; is an Architect on the MBF team (and he is&amp;nbsp;based in Fargo). When I got impatient waiting for a reply about the &lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/archive/2004/09/21/232260.aspx"&gt;position in the MBF team&lt;/a&gt;, an email to Tim was the thing that sparked it all off ;).&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;font face="Verdana" size="2"&gt;I just &lt;a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/archive/2004/09/20/231819.aspx"&gt;read a post from Tim&lt;/a&gt; (two days old) that explains &lt;a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/archive/2004/09/20/231819.aspx"&gt;the tie between MBF and WinFS&lt;/a&gt; and answers a few questions people might have about the scope of the MBF effort.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;font face="Verdana" size="2"&gt;I'm sure after reading that, you can understand why I'm really excited about getting over there and getting into it!&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=232671" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx">Object Relational</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/MBF/default.aspx">MBF</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Architecture/default.aspx">Architecture</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/WinFS/default.aspx">WinFS</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Personal/default.aspx">Personal</category></item><item><title>OJB.Net and Generics</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/2004/06/08/150572.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:57:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:150572</guid><dc:creator>chrisgarty</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/comments/150572.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/commentrss.aspx?PostID=150572</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;I &lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/archive/2004/06/02/146312.aspx"&gt;posted a little while ago&lt;/A&gt; about trying to use reflection with generic types.&amp;nbsp;I have been trying to use a generic list type within &lt;A href="http://ojb-net.sourceforge.net/"&gt;OJB.Net&lt;/A&gt; (an object relational mapper for .Net).&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;I finished investigating this and&amp;nbsp;thought I'd post a write-up about it here in case anyone else is using or wants to use &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;&lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/articles/150558.aspx"&gt;OJB.Net and Generics&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;together: &lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/articles/150558.aspx"&gt;http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/articles/150558.aspx&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=150572" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Visual+Studio+2005/default.aspx">Visual Studio 2005</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx">Object Relational</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/C_2300_/default.aspx">C#</category></item><item><title>ObjectSpaces delay discussions</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/2004/05/26/141972.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2004 22:21:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:141972</guid><dc:creator>chrisgarty</dc:creator><slash:comments>4</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/comments/141972.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/commentrss.aspx?PostID=141972</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;Some people are taking the &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/archive/2004/05/24/140059.aspx"&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;ObjectSpaces delay&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt; a little harder than others.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;I first&amp;nbsp;met &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/rmclaws/"&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;Robert McLaws&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt; when he hosted the PDC 2003 Object Relational BoF session. I just read one of his recent posts where he argues that the ObjectSpaces delay is good since it is &lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/rmclaws/archive/2004/05/22/139666.aspx"&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;good to get things right the first time&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;. He also tells the people who are disappointed to that their &amp;#8220;mentality&amp;#8221; is &amp;#8220;ridiculous&amp;#8221; and that they should &amp;#8220;Grow up. Seriously.&amp;#8221;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;I think this is a little harsh on the people who were starting projects to hit the market in 2005 that would have used&amp;nbsp;ObjectSpaces. I don't think it is a bad thing for Microsoft to hear that their schedule changes affect ISV's and other customers.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;I personally am grateful that Microsoft has delayed ObjectSpaces to combine it with the WinFS work. Making application data as accessible as files in the OS is a brilliant move.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;Hopefully when Longhorn comes out we'll be&amp;nbsp;a lot closer to the holy grail of &amp;#8220;no more data silos&amp;#8221;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=141972" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Visual+Studio+2005/default.aspx">Visual Studio 2005</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx">Object Relational</category></item><item><title>ObjectSpaces and MBF both delayed till Longhorn</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/2004/05/24/140059.aspx</link><pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2004 21:50:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:140059</guid><dc:creator>chrisgarty</dc:creator><slash:comments>5</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/comments/140059.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/commentrss.aspx?PostID=140059</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;First we learned that &lt;A href="http://weblogs.asp.net/chrisgarty/archive/2004/05/11/129554.aspx"&gt;MBF has been delayed till Longhorn&lt;/A&gt; (from &lt;A href="http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/archive/2004/05/10/129124.aspx"&gt;Tim Brookins&lt;/A&gt;)&amp;nbsp;and now &lt;A href="http://objectsharp.com/Blogs/barry/archive/2004/05/22/491.aspx"&gt;ObjectSpaces is adopting the same schedule&lt;/A&gt;. The official announcement is &lt;A href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/data/"&gt;here&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;I wonder if&amp;nbsp;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;ObjectSpaces was delayed and that caused the MBF re-schedule, since MBF uses ObjectSpaces for persistence. Either way, because of the extra time, they'll both be stronger and more tightly integrated when they do get released.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=140059" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Visual+Studio+2005/default.aspx">Visual Studio 2005</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx">Object Relational</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/MBF/default.aspx">MBF</category></item><item><title>Ouch: MBF delayed till Longhorn wave</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/2004/05/11/129554.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2004 22:56:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:129554</guid><dc:creator>chrisgarty</dc:creator><slash:comments>3</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/comments/129554.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/commentrss.aspx?PostID=129554</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;&lt;A href="http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/"&gt;Tim Brookins&lt;/A&gt;, an architect on&amp;nbsp;the &lt;A href="http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,4248,1274625,00.asp"&gt;MBF&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;team, has &lt;A href="http://blogs.msdn.com/timbrookins/archive/2004/05/10/129124.aspx"&gt;reported that MBF is no longer in the Whidbey wave&lt;/A&gt; and instead will be in the Longhorn wave.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;This is an exciting area of technology for Microsoft since it touches so many 'hot' areas: Microsoft's business application development (&lt;A href="http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=15201130"&gt;Green&lt;/A&gt;), service oriented architecture (Indigo), object relational persistence (ObjectSpaces), lightweight process support (in-process Biztalk process engine), and model driven architecture (Whitehorse) to name a few.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;It is a shame that business application developers won't be able to start using the base classes to build business logic, but Tim&amp;nbsp;points out that&amp;nbsp;&amp;#8220;collapsing MBF into a single release [will] be more beneficial for our customers&amp;#8221; will allow MBF to focus&amp;nbsp;solely&amp;nbsp;on Longhorn. This is an exciting effort and one that I'll be watching carefully over the next 2 years.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=129554" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Visual+Studio+2005/default.aspx">Visual Studio 2005</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx">Object Relational</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/MBF/default.aspx">MBF</category></item><item><title>New ObjectSpaces article on MSDN</title><link>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/2004/02/25/79375.aspx</link><pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:36:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">91d46819-8472-40ad-a661-2c78acb4018c:79375</guid><dc:creator>chrisgarty</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><comments>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/comments/79375.aspx</comments><wfw:commentRss>http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/commentrss.aspx?PostID=79375</wfw:commentRss><description>&lt;FONT face=Verdana size=2&gt;A number of people working with me at iP3 are learning ObjectSpaces at the moment. A new article by&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"&gt;Dino Esposito&lt;/SPAN&gt; for MSDN has a few interesting insights as he documents his &lt;SPAN lang=EN-AU style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-AU; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"&gt;&lt;A href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/default.aspx?pull=/library/en-us/dnadonet/html/objectspaces.asp"&gt;first look at ObjectSpaces&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;.&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;img src="http://blogs.msdn.com/aggbug.aspx?PostID=79375" width="1" height="1"&gt;</description><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Visual+Studio+2005/default.aspx">Visual Studio 2005</category><category domain="http://blogs.msdn.com/chrisgarty/archive/tags/Object+Relational/default.aspx">Object Relational</category></item></channel></rss>