DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

trali — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:12:46 GMT

The ECMA PR says:

"the ISO/IEC DIS 29500 Project Editor, with the help of Ecma TC45, is publishing the Project Editor’s Report of Proposed Dispositions. "

Where is it published?

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

dmahugh — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:49:35 GMT

Trali, they're referring to "publishing" the comments and proposed dispositions to an Ecma site that is only available to the members of the national bodies. JTC 1 has rules governing distribution of the national body comments, and Ecma is following those rules.

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

Gerd — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:46:04 GMT

"Write responses to thousands of comments, concerns, questions and complaints about the same standard from hundreds of people worldwide, including competing vendors, ideological opponents, and people ranging from deep experts in the subject to, well, those with a little less understanding of the details."

It is not the time for insults to the correctors from the Committees that took the time to read your premature spec.

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

dmahugh — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:18:15 GMT

I didn't mean that as an insult, Gerd, but rather as a simple statement of fact regarding a few of the comments. I respect the process and the participants, but I don't believe that every single one of the 3522 comments are well-informed attempts to improve the quality of the spec, and in a few cases it's not clear that the comment is even relevant to the spec at all. I've heard the same opinion expressed by commenters from several countries, but of course you're entitled to a different opinion if that's how you feel.

ECMA responde a los 3522 comentarios de todos los países.

.NetBlogger — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:09:34 GMT

Una noticia muy interesante es que ECMA respondió a todos los comentarios que se hicieron en todo el

ECMA responde a los 3522 comentarios de todos los países.

Noticias externas — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:38:46 GMT

Una noticia muy interesante es que ECMA respondió a todos los comentarios que se hicieron en todo el

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

Trali — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:11:19 GMT

The comments are here:

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Sorry, Thali, but I felt compelled to replace the link about with because the JTC 1 Directives (Annex H) say that the “disposition of Comments” documents are supposed to be “access limited to participants in the ISO system”, which means the participating National Bodies. I'm not comfortable publishing pointers which are not consistent with this direction. - Doug

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

carlos — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:53:50 GMT

>Sorry, Thali, but I felt compelled to replace the

>link about with because the JTC 1 Directives (Annex H)

>say that the “disposition of Comments” documents are

> supposed to be “access limited to participants in the

>ISO system”

mmm... ECMA "deliberations" closed , dispositions of comments closed , BRM closed

i believe that a lot of standardization process should change , if you want to keep credibility of people ( end users, you know this people? )

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

dmahugh — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:18:49 GMT

Carlos, are you saying that it would increase my credibility with end users if I break the JTC 1 rules? Call me a cynic, but I have my doubts about that.

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

norbert — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:14:19 GMT

"Carlos, are you saying that it would increase my credibility with end users if I break the JTC 1 rules?"

Humm, the notorious nuremberg defence.... "I'm just following orders"

I don't know about 'your' credibility', but ISO's credibility would certainly be improved by more transparency - and based on the abuse that ISO's process took this past year,, it can certainly use any spec of credibility it can.. The notion of elaborating 'open standard' in secrecy is quite ludicrous.

re: DIS 29500 proposed dispositions

dmahugh — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:24:48 GMT

Norbert, are you familiar with Godwin's law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

Have you publicly pushed on Rob Weir, who is also a V1 member, to demand that he do what you're asking me to do, violate JTC 1 guidelines? Didn't think so.

Video discussion with Brian Jones

Doug Mahugh — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:43:56 GMT

I had a chance last week to talk to Brian Jones about the proposed dispositions to the DIS 29500 comments.

Video discussion with Brian Jones

Noticias externas — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:04:22 GMT

I had a chance last week to talk to Brian Jones about the proposed dispositions to the DIS 29500 comments