Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Domenico — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:22:21 GMT

this is my feedback and my forum frends

Beta 7000 (Italian Feedback)

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

someone — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:09:18 GMT

All my WDM softsynths fail to work on Windows 7 but work flawlessly on Windows Vista. In Vista the UI to select the softsynth was gone but with community replacements like "MIDI Device Picker" (search a bit), it was fixed. Now after installing my favorite Roland Virtual Sound Canvas VSC-MP1 or WinGroove or Yamaha XG Softsynth on Windows 7, I find they no longer show up. My sound card's FM synthesizer also does not work. Tried the 32-bit PDC build, beta everything. Has this been fixed in RC1?

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

peterfnet — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:06:31 GMT

I'll be happy if I don't have to add a line of code to say my app is W7 compatible. I had to add a meta tag to my sites for IE8 compatibility.... :-(

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

anonymuos — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:24:54 GMT

Won't removing Microsoft Agent break some apps? Moreover installing Agent from the 2000-ish redistributable succeeds however the Agent characters lose their transparency (looks very ugly). The Vista release of the Agent binaries doesn't have this problem but it isn't redistributable.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

d_e — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:32:22 GMT

"A simple example is version number. An application that is hard coded to only work on specific versions and it doesn’t know what our new operating system version is would fail."

I still find it very strange that Windows 7 is internally 6.1. I agree that it is indeed "6.1", but if marketing decides that the next version is called "Windows 7" the version number should reflect that.

But you guys do a good job. This is one of the most difficult things to work on. And you're doing great.

Is it getting easier with each new Windows release? Is Windows 7 an "easy" release for you since there aren't many fundamental changes?

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

solaris — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:26:44 GMT

The VPN client of my university by Cisco didn't work under Windows 7. I wasn't able to boot into Windows 7 because right before the login screen the VPN client caused a bluescreen. There wasn't anything I could do except using one of the recovery tools Windows provides to recover an earlier state of the OS.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

digitalx64 — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:51:14 GMT

The Vista version of Inkball is not compatible with Windows 7. Inkball was excluded from the Windows 7 beta. Inkball is a great game that should be playable on future versions of windows. Would you reconsider including it in the final release. Alot of people will be disappointed by it's omission.

Perhaps you can release downloadable non-drm x86 and x64 versions. Thanks.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

TimOR — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:25:00 GMT

Um - what about compatibility with apps that work in XP? A smooth upgrade from Vista won't be what MS has to sell us in the corporate world, but a hassle-free move from XP. MS has to convince us to move from XP. Merely releasing 7 as an upgrade to Vista isn't the deal.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Asesh — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 21:58:28 GMT

We said we just one SKU that can be modularized but here comes Microsoft with so many SKUs again. Can you guys either merge or remove Pro edition of Windows 7 and make Ultimate edition available on retail stores because like I said before we don't wanna be a part of that PAY MORE AND GET MORE--Ultimate scheme. I am not gonna pay AGAIN by taking out my credit card again after purchasing Windows 7 Pro just to take advantages of so called enterprise features like BitLocker, AppLocker, booting from VHD when those features should be present in the consumer/business edition of Windows 7. I have Vista Ultimate x64, so upgrading to Pro means I would lose BitLocker? that really sucks. Shouldn't AppLocker and booting from VHD be present in both the home and pro editions of Windows 7? it should be...Please do listen to us.

There should be an option to turn the Superbar and the window border to black just like in Vista when a window is maximized as opposed to manually changing the color of glass (Aero) because I often find it very distracting when using programs like Visual Studio etc.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Moneymaker — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:11:48 GMT

Among apps, I haven't found anything that is compatible with Vista but not compatible with Windows 7. Inkball, talked about above, is the only thing I've heard about.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

smartpatrol — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:34:29 GMT

here comes the "Why doesn't my 12 year old 32-bit application not work on Windows 7" comments. Their are people still lamenting the death of 16-bit application support in Windows.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

yipcanjo — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:22:23 GMT

I was trying to install the latest version of ISOrecorder, but came across the "this product must be installed on Vista"-type error message. How is Microsoft classifying errors such as these? The product works under Win7, I'm sure, but won't install because it detects the wrong OS.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

gormed — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:55:45 GMT

i'am sorry if this dont belongs here but i fond no other place

@solaris:

1. Uninstall any previous version of Cisco VPN client that you may have installed

2. Reboot

3. Download the Citrix DNE Update and install it.

3. Download the Cisco DNE update and install it.

4. Reboot

5. Take ownership and delete ndis.sys (in c:\windows\system32\drivers).

6. Take ownership and delete ndis.sys.mui (in c:\windows\system32\drivers\en-us).

7. Install Cisco VPN Client 5.0.04.0300.

8. Reboot

9. Windows 7 will repair itself (should take a few seconds) and automatically reboot.

10. Cisco VPN Client should work without any other tweaks.

this worked for me...but no guarantee ;)

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

SteveBall — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:33:46 GMT

"someone" wrote:

"All my WDM softsynths fail to work on Windows 7 but work flawlessly on Windows Vista. In Vista the UI to select the softsynth was gone but with community replacements like "MIDI Device Picker" (search a bit), it was fixed. Now after installing my favorite Roland Virtual Sound Canvas VSC-MP1 or WinGroove or Yamaha XG Softsynth on Windows 7, I find they no longer show up. My sound card's FM synthesizer also does not work. Tried the 32-bit PDC build, beta everything. Has this been fixed in RC1?

Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:09 AM by someone"

Hey "someone" -- we've been trying to find a repro for this issue that we first heard about in Larry Osterman's blog. I'd love to find out more about your specific HW and config to see if we can get to the root cause?

-Steve Ball from the Windows Sound team.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

juliemad — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:29:02 GMT

@gormed

Thanks for the note. Please use the Send Feedback button to submit your report with the details above.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:32:48 GMT

Suggestion:

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Integration WordPad with Notepad...

Two editors built-in Windows, too many, too stupid...

(After Integration rename application? use a all-new name?)

(1) Integration WordPad with Notepad

(2) complete support Multi-Language (ANSI Code). support read SJIS, Big5, GB, KOR, etc... (MacOSX can, Windows can't)

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:34:01 GMT

Suggestion:

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Add Virtual Desktop

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/1553

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/143

Like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM6HXoa0Lgk

Unix/Liunx has Virtual Desktop

MacOSX 10.4 Added Virtual Desktop

Windows: None

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:36:41 GMT

Suggestion:

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Add Toggle option: show thumbnails in 'Details', 'List', 'Small Icons' view mode

in other system desktop environment,

'Details', 'List', 'Small Icons' view mode also show thumbnails.

Includes all picture files, video files, text files, etc...

but Windows can't.

add custom option by user to toggle

show thumbnails in 'Details', 'List', 'Small Icons' view mode

look screenshot:

http://uploads.bizhat.com/view/383070

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Domenico — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:03:37 GMT

@fuchueh

see Mark Russinovich Application or ....

download this inutility software http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdMSN7c27A&feature=channel_page

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Domenico — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:11:12 GMT

@fuchueh

This is a news for you?

Back in 2003

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Domenico — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 01:12:44 GMT

@fuchueh

PS. back in 2003

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0idaN0MY1U

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:56:13 GMT

Suggestion:

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keep Start Menu and Applaction Menu style consistency

There is no consistency between the Start Menu and the Applaction Menu.

To keep Start Menu and Applaction Menu style consistency, like Windows XP.

All use white color for background, light blue color for selected item.

to improve it.

screenshot:

http://uploads.bizhat.com/view/387119

http://www.badongo.com/file/13695750

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:00:35 GMT

@Domenico

yeah, I know Longhorn (WinHEC 2003)

and Longhorn concept: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y

but it's freeze by MS.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:01:12 GMT

@Domenico

yeah, I know Longhorn (WinHEC 2003)

and Longhorn concept: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y

but it's freeze by MS.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

anonymuos — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:01:05 GMT

@SteveBall, my HW config is as follows: HP Pavilion DV2901TU Laptop with Intel 965PM Express Chipset / 1MB L2 Cache / 667 Mhz FSB, Intel Dual-Core Processor T2390 (1.86 GHz), 3 GB PC2-5300 DDR2 (667 MHz), 160 GB SATA @ 5400 RPM), Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100, 14.1" WideScreen (WXGA), came with Windows Vista Home Premium. Azalia/HD Audio (Conexant codec). See the other specs here: http://www.onlinestore.net.in/hp-pavilion-laptops/pavilion-dv2901tu-laptop-.html. I connect the laptop to high-end Bose speakers via a receiver. I'm surprised the issue can't be reproduced. Just install any of the softsynths: Yamaha XG, Roland VSC or WinGroove and try and see if they show up in tools like MIDI Device Picker (since Vista removes the UI to choose and set these as default!!). MIDI Device Picker can be obtained at http://rapidshare.com/files/205513560/MIDI_Device_Picker.exe.html.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

solaris — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:04:14 GMT

@gormed: thanks for your suggestions. But I won't experiment with it and risk another total crash of the OS.

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davidtan — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:43:30 GMT

Sounds interesting and you make it sounds like I should be part of the team :)

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

fuchueh — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:53:44 GMT

Suggestion:

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Improve Start Menu and Appliaction Menu color style (suggestion consistency)

There is no consistency between the Start Menu and the Appliaction Menu.

Suggestion to keep Start Menu and Appliaction Menu color style consistency, like Windows XP.

Suggestion all use white color for background, light blue color for selected item.

to improve Appliaction Menu color. (discriminated Appliaction Menu color very blurred)

screenshot:

http://uploads.bizhat.com/view/387397

http://www.badongo.com/file/13707468

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

steve30x — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:45:17 GMT

Can you guys try to get Bitdefender free V10 to work with Windows 7 64 bit. I use the antivirus software and its 32 bit only. It would be nice if there was a way to get it to work in Windows 7 64 Bit.

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yeehaamcgee — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:40:17 GMT

Autotune (VST version) doesn't work in Win7

Y2K Solutions.

last.try — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 19:27:28 GMT

I thought Y2K problem was solved in 1999 (That's why We all still alive :). But Microsoft continues support for programs solving that problem. Look at last record in Fundamentals scenario in the picture above.

Microsoft is very serious about Y2K problem, so Y2k Solutions presents in the 'Data Security And Backup' scenario too.

That's what I call Compatibility :-)

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

wtroost — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:45:59 GMT

> Their are people still lamenting the death

> of 16-bit application support in Windows.

Say the company sends invoices using a 16-bit application. There is no business need to replace the application.

Assuming they want to switch to Vista or W7, how would they go about it?

Some people tried, and they got burned. And that was in better economic times :)

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Networking w/win98

arachniagirl — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:13:25 GMT

I'm wondering if it's possible to successfully network a win98 machine to Windows 7?

I'm looking at purchasing some PCs w/Windows 7 for a small business that presently has primarily XP Pro machines except for 2 PCs that run win98. The 98 boxes run proprietary software that controls production machines in the shop and they cannot be upgraded. They do however need access to files that would live on the Windows 7 machines.

If anyone could provide feedback on:

a) it is possible

b) what extra steps would be required to get this working

Thanks for any information you can provide!

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Urvabara — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:42:32 GMT

*IMPORTANT* *IMPORTANT*

1. 16-bit applications do not work in 64-bit Windows 7. Can you, please, virtualize/emulate 16-bit/32-bit, so that 16-bit applications will work out-of-box?

2. Inkball from Windows Vista does not work in Windows 7. Why not? Why did you remove the game altogether? Please, fix this.

3. Cisco VPN Client version 5.0.02.0060-BETA does not work in 64-bit Vista. I assume that it does not work in 64-bit Windows 7 either. Please, fix this.

4. Many old programs are missing: ClipBook Viewer, Inkball, Winpopup, Winchat, QuickView. Please, bring them back.

*IMPORTANT* *IMPORTANT*

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

rbrogdon — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:29:38 GMT

It would seem easier to help test if we had access to current builds. As of now, only build 7000 is available for download. It is rumored that build 7105 should be "leaked" soon. If we are testing, it seems that it would be more relevant if we were testing using the latest build. Is there a way to get access to these newer builds?

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

jrlopezp — Thu, 07 May 2009 04:54:45 GMT

I have a suggestion for Microsoft. I'm testing Windows 7 RC with Windows XP Mode for app virtualization. The concept is very useful but the fact that it runs as a remote desktop app lacks the GUI performance. Take a look at VirtualBox and see what those guys are doing for GUI performance without the latency of a remote desktop display. Also, I love MS products but please please simplify the line of products. One O.S. with the full features is enough. Thanks for listening to the users.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

macdet — Sun, 24 May 2009 11:15:55 GMT

Big Hands to all for a lot of inspiration.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Luke Vording — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:46:02 GMT

I have identified an alarming problem with Windows 7 release candidate… Up until now we have instructed our application’s users to select “Run as Administrator” and the application has worked well. Now that our application can be run as a Standard User some of our users are still setting it to “Run as Administrator” because that is what they are used to. This is the problem, they can never undo the “Run as Administrator” and go to back to normal. The application uses the All Users directory for the application’s common data and the path to that directory is no longer valid under this scenario. Uninstalling and reinstalling the application does not fix the problem.

re: Application Compatibility Testing -- Overview

Research Writing — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:20:41 GMT

The application uses the All Users directory for the application’s common data and the path to that directory is no longer valid under this scenario. Uninstalling and reinstalling the application does not fix the problem.

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Dissertation Service — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:50 GMT

If we are testing, it seems that it would be more relevant if we were testing using the latest build. Is there a way to get access to these newer builds?

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Research Paper Help — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:25:11 GMT

The 98 boxes run proprietary software that controls production machines in the shop and they cannot be upgraded. They do however need access to files that would live on the Windows 7 machines.

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Thesis Service — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:26:41 GMT

Microsoft is very serious about Y2K problem, so Y2k Solutions presents in the 'Data Security And Backup' scenario too.

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Essay — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:34:31 GMT

There is no consistency between the Start Menu and the Applaction Menu.

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MMOGamer — Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:14:24 GMT

Awesome stuff, i'm just concerned that compatibility won't be as 'good' as microsoft claims. I guess only time will tell.