Touching Windows 7

re: Touching Windows 7

anotherjohnboy — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:29:45 GMT

This is judged only by the video provided, but shouldn't the image viewer give rotate feedback in realtime? That is, follow the input and snap to the nearest position in the end? The way it is done in the video seems to be a bit rough and more like "traditional user experience".

re: Touching Windows 7

Tihiy — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:51:32 GMT

If the application does not process the message, it must call DefWindowProc. Not doing so will cause the application to leak memory because the touch input handle will not be closed and associated process memory will not be freed.

WHAT????

re: Touching Windows 7

Role — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:24:33 GMT

As of today, the touch functionality under Windows 7 will cause many legacy business apps to crash.

The reason: Many existing business apps have been written in VB6 and use the common controls OCX of VB5/6 (comctl32.ocx and mscomctl.ocx)to create list views and treeviews.

These OCXs crash if any program runs that implements WinEvent hooks. The touch functionality, the TabletPC tools, narrator, and some more use WinEvent hooks, causing all VB6 apps to crash if they use the common control OCXs.

This problem is described in the KB article at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896559.

In 2005, MS provided a "fix" for the components that should resolve the issues. However, it doesn't fix all issues, and as a result, the fix is useless.

Thus, MS must fix the comctl32.ocx and mscomctl.ocx components, or touch will not succeed in the business computing world.

re: Touching Windows 7

jrronimo — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:21:24 GMT

I'm very excited for touch -- I've been using a Samsung Q1 as one of my main Win7 test machines. The experience is very good, even though it is only single-input touch. While I would really like inertial scrolling throughout Explorer on the device, I understand the technical limitations from talking to the Touch team in the newsgroups.

Touch is the perfect accent for a Win7 machine. While usable without it, adding it in makes Windows that much more... concrete, I guess.

re: Touching Windows 7

Warel — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:45:31 GMT

Very good work, team.

Now, its done with touching? Then, maybe you all can wake up and start adding the functionality that lots of users of NON touch devices (like, I don´t know, maybe just 90% of windows users?) are demanding?

Where is a customizable Windows explorer toolbar and statusbar?

Where is the possibility to choose the pictures to be imported from a digital camera, and not having to import everything or nothing?

Where is the possibility to "lock" a folder, and STOPS the really annoying windows explorer habit of changing the view styles?

Can we expand the All Programs in start menu? Or, the classical menu? Is it back?

Will Windows Live Messenger quietly in the tray, where it belongs, and not taking space in my taskbar?

Windows Media Player 12 already have the same "search for radio" functionalty as Windows Media Player TEN had, and then, I don´t know why, was lost?

Can we change the "hardcoded" windows hotkeys? What If I want the winkey + E to open my libraries? what if I liked that behaviour? can I revert back, now it opens again in "My computer"?

Can I create a shortcut to "New Folder" in explorer?

and, so on... but, sorry, I see you all was soooooo busy working with touch, to please that 1% of users...

re: Touching Windows 7

JJohnson1701 — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:39:30 GMT

on the touch input - great job in putting in Win7. I've been wanting a touch-capable OS for a while now.

Since Win7 allows desktop slideshows, if I slide/flick left or right on the desktop, will that make it advance to the next/previous picture? That would be a great little feature.

re: Touching Windows 7

Xepol — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:31:58 GMT

How much time and money is MS going to waste on this before it is clear that this is doomed for failure?

Ok, first, the jigs are nice and repeatable but not for a human. Sure, you might be able to read a perfect curve, but many of us can't draw them - a few deliberately sloppy jigs would definitely be an asset to testing.

Except that no one wants a screen full of greasy figureprint trails. I have seen people go psychotic with the windex over just a SINGLE fingerprint.

All that aside, I have still yet to find a single touch sensitive display that isn't handheld.

Interesting idea for an iPhone or Palm, ok for a display you see from 20 feet away over the tv - SUCKY AS ALL GET OUT if you are in arms reach.

I'm not sure what will ruin the experience for me more. Dragging my fingers through other people's peanutbutter smears or knowing the screen I have to touch has probably been sneezed on by every sick person who has looked at that day.

And ya, I feel the same way when I have to use someone else's keyboard. I have seen some MIGHTY disgusting keyboards. Turning the screen into high touch zone.

Ya, ask the parent of any 2 year old how well that works out.

re: Touching Windows 7

Sabu23 — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:18:51 GMT

I bought a HP TX2 laptop last month and put the beta on it with the special driver for multi touch. Touch team you have done a splendid job, I have an iPhone and never thought that you would be able to get close to that on a computer.

What I like:

• The finger scrolling is great, I use that everywhere I can now

• I never noticed the extra spacing on the start bar lists, but now that I do I think that was brilliant

• The window placement stuff is great where you can drag windows to the top or edge of the screen,

What you should fix

• Scrolling does not work in Firefox (which is my favorite program)

• Some web pages don’t work very well. I use google maps a lot and it doesn’t work.

• Window resizing is hard, I need to use my mouse for that but actually I have most windows full screen so I just drag them to the top which is fine mostly

• Powerpoint doesn’t work very well with touch

• Picture rotation should show a picture rotating it is confusing now

Where can I get the globe program? Is that available somewhere for download?

re: Touching Windows 7

dafin0 — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:33:49 GMT

Sabu23 i believe they are using Live maps

heres the link, click "3d" to download the browser app.

http://maps.live.com.au/index.aspx

re: Touching Windows 7

Aeon-Slayer — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:28:45 GMT

Hrm, I have not personally used a Single or Multi-touch PC is YEARS (yes, I did use a good ol' fashioned single touch back in the 90's for work for a while...) but I have to say, this looks pretty cool.

While I have to agree that touch should hardly be a pressing concern for you guys (what with over 98% of users using a mouse), I don't see what the problem with offering this functionality is.

With all that said, it would be very nice to see MacBook like multi-touch functionality on a trackpad for us current generation notebook users! The technology is there (I am 100% certain my synaptics pad supports multi-touch hardware functionality - I have seen a colleague do it on his notebook within Linux, and it says so on their website. Link: http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures), so it seems clear that this should be something that Windows7 users should be able to utilize in its entirety. Enhanced Gesture Recognition (EGR), Flick, Two-finger Flick, ChiralMotion™, and ChiralRotate™; they should all be compatible with Windows7.

A response from the team on this point would be excellent, as I have to say, this is one of the make or break aspects of Windows7 for me.

- AeonSlayer / Simon

re: Touching Windows 7

Domenico — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:40:35 GMT

I wont buy Multitouch monitor :(

re: Touching Windows 7

Maciej Rutkowski — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:00:21 GMT

Tihiy relax, that's standard behavior of a default window procedure. (I think ;) )

re: Touching Windows 7

jcompagner — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:52:48 GMT

Is this touch tech pure about touching your screen??

Because i am not really interested in that and i think 90%-99% of all windows users will also not use this touch tech if you ask me. I dont believe in touching your screen, on a desktop this will really be a no go (because you are further away from your screen) and i personally also dont want my laptop to support that.

No what i want is full multi touch support on my laptops touchpad (yes just as the competitor) that is in my eyes where windows "touch" is really lacking and that would be used by many many if not all laptop users..

Or is this touchpad multi touch purely a hardware/driver issue? Why is it then in the windows pc world not really happening?

re: Touching Windows 7

Antimatter — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:17:21 GMT

@Xepol

"Ok, first, the jigs are nice and repeatable but not for a human."

These jigs are used to test the ability of a digitizer to translate pen position to screen position. Since the pen detection process is stochastic, multiple trials need to be taken to ensure the digitizer works properly, and thus the tests need to be the same. This has nothing to do with drawing perfect curves free hand. If the digitizer passes this test, it should be able to translate anything accurately onto the screen. If you'd actually ever used a tablet, you'd know that drawing on a good screen is like drawing on paper.

"no one wants a screen full of greasy figureprint trails"

The way I deal with fingerprints is a quick swipe of a micro fibre cloth. Cleans them up quick enough. My screen is cleaner than most people's who don't have touch screens.

"Dragging my fingers through other people's peanutbutter smears or knowing the screen I have to touch has probably been sneezed on by every sick person who has looked at that day."

How is this a problem of touch screens only? Any input surface of the computer will be germy.

re: Touching Windows 7

sroussey — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:28:09 GMT

@AeonSlayer: I have "Two-finger Flick" on my Eee trackpad working on XP. They have drivers for Vista too. What is it that MS has to support, other than perhaps making a baseline driver so the OEM doesn't have to?

@Xepol: "Except that no one wants a screen full of greasy figureprint trails" -- actually get one before you over worry about such things. ATM machines have them. My iPhone was one. I thought it would be awful to not have a physical keyboard on it, but its fine. Same with my TouchSmart (meaning using the screen, not implying that I don't use the keyboard on the PC).

re: Touching Windows 7

sroussey — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:34:19 GMT

@jcompagner: "Or is this touchpad multi touch purely a hardware/driver issue? Why is it then in the windows pc world not really happening?"

Works for me. Whomever you bought your laptop from should provide the correct driver. Who is it that failed to do so????

We can collectively take out this bad manufacturer to tar and feather. Who is it?

re: Touching Windows 7

Tihiy — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:50:05 GMT

>> Tihiy relax, that's standard behavior of a default window procedure. (I think ;) )

No, it's not!

Touch seems to be not integrated into windows core libraries at all, with WinEvent hooks meaning that performance and stability is degraded (a bit, but matters). And that strange DefWindowProc leaking: no other sane message ever leaked memory in Windows.

re: Touching Windows 7

jcompagner — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:38:15 GMT

@sroussey

Its a Dell Vostro 1700 (1.5 year old), and if you want to bash dell then i guess they should be bashed because of the very bad 64bit support for drivers. I needed to get it from another system of them (precision notebook) i would like that Microsoft would pressure Dell that it has to support both equally well.

But i guess the trackpad (the hardware) should also support multi touch, i guess that is for the Vostro 1700 not yet the case.

What things can you do then? Scroll with 2 fingers and so on?

Windows 7 RC where it it?

graham.lv — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:40:18 GMT

I don't care whether you can touch it or not - where the hell is it?

Disturbing news: InfoWorld: Microsoft slates May date for Windows 7 RC download

http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/03/26/Microsoft_slates_May_date_for_Windows_7_RC_download_1.html

It's suppose to be not later than April 10 ..

I'm saving 2.5 GB of my 5 GB per month allowance and lose that if I can't get this by April 16.

I guess I'll have to try for 5057 just before my allowance runs out. I mean, I wouldn't save it, but don't know for sure if it's coming or not!

re: Touching Windows 7

marcinw — Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:15 GMT

I haven't commented posts here since longer time. And what can I read here now ? Mainly criticism. And I agree in big part with it. Why ?

People living in other world parts than America like nice looking things, but very often they're looking more into other aspects too.

For example: I can browse Internet using for example Damn Small Linux (50 MB), I can modify Windows XP installation for less than 1 GB of HDD (and it will be still able to run majority/all of my applications), etc. etc.

Windows Vista/Seven give various innovations, but they still are not so configurable or small. They also put various new hardcoded limitations (with codecs too). For many people nice looking Seven interface will be not enough reason to switch into it because of these limits.

And when we speak about RAM: KolibriOS needs 1 or 2 MB or RAM. I agree, that it's primitive. But some Linux environments can be modified for less than 100 or 50 MB. Speaking that few hundreds MB of RAM is "good result" is some misunderstanding in my opinion.

This is like with American cars (which are not too popular in Europe): many people don't like them, because they're too big or because they have "different" design.

If my opinion: if MS will continue his strategy, can fail. The more limits will be put, the more people will be interested in alternatives.

You can not agree with it. This is your choice :)

re: Touching Windows 7

Domenico — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:59:20 GMT

@marcinw

Go tu buy Windows Mobile or Windows embadded

You haven't commented posts here since longer time ?

Pls continue to no commented

;)

re: Touching Windows 7

andycadley — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:37:29 GMT

@tihiy: Calling the default windows procedure for any message you don't process has always been a requirement on Windows. Failing to do so can lead to leaks, crashes or other undefined behaviour.

See http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms633569(VS.85).aspx

"An application-defined window procedure should pass any messages that it does not process to the DefWindowProc function for default processing."

re: Touching Windows 7

Enki — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:02:50 GMT

I'm not so sure I like having a single finger moving up and down scroll but side to side selects. That just seems like totally different actions and so not very reliable as you pointed out. I mean if you use a scroll wheel that supports side to side scrolling up and down scrolls and side to side also scrolls. what if I'm reading a long document and want to select a large section? With a mouse I normally have more up and down movement then side to side.

Why not just have one finger always being scroll and two fingers do select? (the movement should allow you to know if its not a right click)

Is there any difference between having your index finger one the screen and then touching the screen with your middle finger and having your middle finger down and touching the screen with your index? (i.e. the left/right side the second finger touches is important) This would obviously mean you would need a left handed, right handed option in the control panel but would give more options on what the touch should do.

Any .Net API's planned for release or changes to the .Net framework to support multitouch?

Thanks

re: Touching Windows 7

Aeon-Slayer — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:32:43 GMT

@sroussey:

I have a 3 month old Toshiba Satellite Pro, originally running Windows Vista.

My drivers are "up to date" and there is NO multi-touch supported in Windows Vista or 7. A near identical 1 year old model of Sat. Pro that my colleague is using supports multi-touch within a Linux environment, and I have searched for Drivers to enable to this hardware-supported function in Windows, but to no avail.

If anyone can link me through to Drivers that will work on a Toshiba, please do so.

If there are none, I move that MS thoroughly suggest that these drivers be created to, at the latest, coincide with the release of Win7 for all of the major companies.

This is a function that will be infinitely beneficial to all notebook users, not a select few touch users.

Just my thoughts,

- AeonSlayer / Simon

Touching Windows 7 - support for self-built touch interfaces

neil_m_stoker — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:03:39 GMT

Hello,

I'm very interested in the touch features of Windows 7. I was curious about what level of support / assistance there might be for people who have built their own touch devices? I know there's a reasonable community of people (e.g. places like http://nuigroup.com/) who are finding ways to build working devices - but I imagine the hard part would be getting the software libraries for these systems to somehow interface to whatever hardware abstraction layer Windows Touch uses. Will there be detailed information published on how the drivers / abstraction layer etc etc work?

I appreciate this would be a niche market, but people like this at the cutting edge would no doubt push the technology and also demonstrate to hardware companies that there is demand in the marketplace for touch devices.

Many thanks,

Neil

re: Touching Windows 7

Jan Kučera — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:15:17 GMT

Hello,

I have quite blocking problem with touch. When I install the Windows 7 and touch the display, the cursor moves horizontally when I move the finger vertically.

I thought that the calibration would do, but after touching all 16 crosses, the touch becomes unusable, probably due the unexpected swap of axes.

Would be great if the Windows could adapt to such situation.

Jan

re: Touching Windows 7

Jan Kučera — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:16:54 GMT

PS. The calibration displays UAC prompt even if the default UAC setting was kept.

re: Touching Windows 7

sroussey — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:13:17 GMT

@jcompagner: Yeah, scroll with two fingers, etc. It is a Eee Netbook. I have the 1000 model (10in screen). There are three finger gestures, but I don't bother. The two finger scrolling is very handy though. These are going for under $400 if you want one.

re: Touching Windows 7

hodgese — Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:02:52 GMT

The functionality looks good; nice job so far. I would encourage you to give it a bit more polish next. E.g. one person's suggestion about making a picture actually rotate instead of just snapping 90 degrees. I've seen some amazing physics on Surface - things bounce around, hit one another, moving objects have inertia, objects can be elastic, etc. You could apply some of those principles to moving and resizing windows that would make Windows 7 touch look very slick.

re: Touching Windows 7

sroussey — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 02:05:17 GMT

@Aeon-Slayer:

If the other Toshiba supports it on Linux, I guess it might be a synaptics touchpad. If so you might try downloading the driver yourself:

http://www.synaptics.com/support/drivers

Even with the driver installed, there is likely an option setting to activate gestures.

Here is a description of how to use the gestures when activated:

http://www.synaptics.com/sites/default/files/touchpad_gestures_pb.pdf

re: Touching Windows 7

Eghost — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:11:17 GMT

Touch support, while an interesting and upcoming technology, it is by far in mainstream use. Yet multi-monitor support is barely discernible from Windows 2000. Why is Microsoft not improving the multi-monitor aspect of Windows 7?

re: Touching Windows 7

csmikle — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:27:20 GMT

Warel,

"Where is the possibility to choose the pictures to be imported from a digital camera, and not having to import everything or nothing?"

Windows Live Photo Gallery has excellent import options.

Your other questions have also already been answered, like the New Folder shortcut in Explorer.

re: Touching Windows 7

marcinw — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:27:41 GMT

@Eghost,

I and many people are addressing similar questions about some aspects of new system (why something was not done).

In my opinion, there are at least few possible reasons, that MS doesn't do very much with multiple monitors support:

1. touch support is very spectacular and can be easy advertised, "old" functions can't (they were in older Windows)

2. mobile devices (notebooks, etc.) are more and more popular (and will be mainstream probably) and many of them can get touch support. many users will use touch support, but not many monitors...

3. touching many monitors support can make, that some applications will not work and MS is probably very, very afraid of it. Adding new functions doesn't affect old apps so much.

In other words: instead of making Seven inside revolution MS made evolution and many old issues are still not resolved. It was easier for corporation, but will only snooze some problems. The worst thing is, that in the future it can be more difficult to resolve them.

re: Touching Windows 7

marcinw — Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:29:38 GMT

about point 3: touching many monitors support can make, that some applications will not work and MS is probably very, very afraid of it. Adding new functions doesn't affect old apps so much, when it's done "correctly"

re: Touching Windows 7

zorkor — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 07:56:50 GMT

Come on guys, this Windows Touch thing is a GREAT feature. I always thought that the tablet PC features of Windows Vista has always been lackluster. I mean you cannot scroll webpages, document without getting frustrated.

I cant wait to test these cool touch features on my HP Tablet PC.

I am already using Vista and Windows 7 and Windows 7 simply rocks but needs more speed and unique features.

re: Touching Windows 7

Eghost — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 09:32:40 GMT

@marcinw

I agree with you my friend, heres some points.

1)Let.s see they could have bought Ultra Monitor, would not have to do much to make that work. Yet some how I feel that Microsoft is immensely better that a small company like ultra monitor and if ultra monitor can do what they do with their limited resources imagine what Microsoft could do with theirs.

2) right now multi-monitors are a lot more mainstream than touch screes, that is unless you count cash registers then I'm quite sure touch screen are a lot more prevalent, but alas they are running windows xp /2000.

3) if their afraid of multiple touch monitors,I can't blame them that would be exceptionally expensive, so the easy answer is for them would be to limit touch screen monitor to one. limiting Windows is nothing new to Microsoft they been doing since Vista. XP is a heck of a lot more customizable than Vista.

4) Bottom line is multiple monitors are and will continue to be more mainstream than touch monitors for now, and Windows 7 is really now.

In closing I don't believe in walking away from a problem, I believe you should confront it, than adapt, overcome, and survive. As you said, they are going for, "The Spectacular" why because it's not mainstream yet, so even if there are problems after Windows 7 comes out, it gives them more time to fix it, and they can blame the touch monitors companies for not adhering to Microsoft guidelines.

Again all I ask is Multi Monitor is Here, and Now why not support it? It would not hurt and it's really not that insurmountable, because because a little limited resourced company like Ultra-Monitor has figured most of it out, you think Microsoft would be able to to it.....

re: Touching Windows 7

caywen — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:27:38 GMT

This touch interface is looking great! Just one suggestion for the box though:

I'd really love the ability to drag windows by touching 3 fingers to the surface of the window and dragging. I know some apps might use 3-finger touching, and those apps could override the behavior. But it sure would beat hunting for the caption bar. Also, if you pinched the 3 fingers, the window could resize. Finally, double-tapping 3 fingers to the window area would minimize/maximize.

If something like that could be done, that would be heaven.

re: Touching Windows 7

Domenico — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:58:44 GMT

Windows 7 RC Download today

http://tinyurl.com/cmey67

RDP Bug in Win7

mystere — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 01:16:16 GMT

I've tried reporting this bug through the normal channels, but it hasn't been addressed, and is a serious showstopper.

Windows 7's RDP client is broken when connecting to Windows 2000 terminal servers. If you connect, then minimize the screen, when you restore, the screen does not redraw itself. Further, there is a serious lag (even on Gigabit network) and frequent disconnects.

I know that Windows 2000 is no longer supported, but you can't let this problem go to RC, much less RTM. This problem did not exist in build 7000, but every build after that has contained the problem.

I hope that someone in the team will at least notice this report and make sure the problem gets fixed for RC.

re: Touching Windows 7

aullus — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 06:06:27 GMT

I'm here one more time asking you to bring back the windows media player mini-mode. Actualy, it should be defaut when you minimize the wmp window. Please don't let w7 without it. Great job with all the rest.

re: Touching Windows 7

Aeon-Slayer — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:43:07 GMT

I have a bug I may as well report here, in an irrelevant topic section, which I have sent a feedback on recently.

When I resume my laptop from blank screen screensaver (i.e. after the screensavers time has elapsed), often the screen (or sections of it) will remain black, until they are "highlighted." So, the maximised firefox window will be blackened, and then when you hover over the close buttons, they will unblacken, and then when you remin/maximise it, it all looks / works fine. But this is an annoying inconvinience, and a problem I have never seen before. I use 3D text screensaver, but I believe the problem has occured with others as well. Running build 7022.

Just thought the team should know!

- AeonSlayer / Simon

re: Touching Windows 7

Esico — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:19:06 GMT

Nice demo, I think I see a little problem here. The context menu looks way too small for my big fingers.

I like to see a demo about how you would delete files with big fingers because 'cause there is NOWHERE a delete button except on your keyboard (no touch experience here) and the context menu.

maybe a big delete button in the explore ( next to the new folder button) would be great, easy and obvious.

please don't drag it to the bin, that's too time consuming.

re: Touching Windows 7

Domenico — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:50:40 GMT

Excuse me Team

Any post for new direct 3d AKA Direct X 11 ?

re: Touching Windows 7

fuchueh — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:00:44 GMT

need keep Menu color layout consistency for Windows 7.

Please keep color layout consistency for Menu.

Why the 'Include in libary' used another color layout?

view snapshot:

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/thumb/mune_color_layout.png/x/560

Improve Start Menu and Appliaction Menu color style (suggestion consistency)

(discriminated Appliaction Menu color very difficult)

There is no consistency between the Start Menu and the Appliaction Menu.

To keep Start Menu and Appliaction Menu color style consistency, like Windows XP.

All use white color for background, light blue color for selected item.

view snapshot:

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/thumb/style_consistency5.png/x/560

keep theme style consistency for Windows 7

keep theme style consistency for Menu bar, Tool bar. like Windows XP theme style's consistency.

view snapshot:

http://www.windows7taskforce.com/thumb/style_consistency55.png/x/960

re: Touching Windows 7

Windows 7 Forum — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:20:02 GMT

Now thats a feature I'm looking forward too

re: Touching Windows 7

basilmir — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:02:13 GMT

Hello,

IF anyone out there in microsoft is reading this.

PLEASE add audio clicks when using the keyboard to touch type. There is NO feedback and you constantly have to check.

I can not believe this was overlooked.

Please also fix the fact that it is very hard to resize windows IF you do not get that few pixels with the double arrow in the first try.

THANK YOU.

re: Touching Windows 7

savant — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:24:43 GMT

Just out of curiosity,

does anyone know if pen support will be present for the specified laptops (i.e. Latitude XT) in the May 5 release candidate?

Would we have to wait for new drivers from N-Trig to gain pen functionality, or will the new Windows RC fix it?

Is touch scrolling supported only in multi touch

alghonaimy — Fri, 29 May 2009 11:54:07 GMT

The touch scrolling or panning is not working in my HP Pavilion tx2000 "windows 7 64bit RC". The panning tab is missing in "pen and touch" sitting!. Is this because tx2000 has single touch or what?

re: Touching Windows 7

thesis help — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 13:13:01 GMT

I like to see a demo about how you would delete files with big fingers because 'cause there is NOWHERE a delete button except on your keyboard (no touch experience here) and the context menu.

re: Touching Windows 7

Buy Coursework — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 07:20:47 GMT

While providing this touchable experience, we made sure you are getting the full Windows 7 experience and not a sub-set just for touch.

re: Touching Windows 7

Vylen — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:21:37 GMT

So windows 7 only has the Tablet PC Settings dialog in the Control Panel iff the machine is a proper tablet pc...

however, when i was using Vista, the dialog was there, and i changed the handedness there to right-handed and now my menu dropdowns appear right-aligned rather than the normal left....

i don't actually use a tablet pc so i can't change this back...

it would be nice if i could change it back but i don't know how - i assme there's a registry setting somewhere but that's one giant haystack to look through for a single needle....

any help would be appreciated

re: Touching Windows 7

Tim Acheson — Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:37:59 GMT

Microsoft must now urgently release Windows 7 Server Express.

Microsoft and its customers really do need a free version of Windows Server:-

http://www.timacheson.com/Blog/2009/jul/microsoft_must_release_windows_server_express

"Windows Server Express is the single most important and obvious thing missing from Microsoft's strategy."

re: Touching Windows 7

blu ray ripper — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:25:20 GMT

Well i have not tired Windows 7 till now. But soon i will be testing W7 myself. Features look good.