Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Luke — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:50:45 GMT

Is it wrong that I love this sort of thing? Alas, I'm a nerd, through and through.

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Tanveer Badar — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:18:58 GMT

But I must say that i++ spoils all the fun. We are talking about immutable data structures and it mutates 'i'.

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Eric Lippert — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:55:29 GMT

Yeah, stupid i++ !

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silky — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:52:00 GMT

Well, the object held in "i" isn't mutated (probably, we can't be sure because maybe "i" isn't an int and there is some funky operator overloading going on) the variable "i" is just set to something else.

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Tanveer Badar — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:54:22 GMT

Trust your instinct. I am not a compiler who is paranoid of even ++ and the language ain't C# either where overloading + automatcially gives you cousins for free. I must assume that ++ mutates the object it is invoked on.

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Eric Lippert — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:32:15 GMT

I am not following the train of thought of either of you.

If i contains an int then the int is not mutated; ints are immutable.

The operand of the ++ operator is always a variable. No matter what the type of the variable is, and no matter what is presently stored in that variable, a successful ++ operation always mutates _the variable_. Whether the contents of the variable are mutable or immutable is irrelevant; the variable is going to change.

(Well, someone could write a ++ operator which set the variable to its current value, not mutating it, but we could characterize the trivial mutation as a mutation for the sake of argument.)

Hence the shirt -- i'm mutating your variables.

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Mike — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:50:58 GMT

alright... that was deep;

i now fully appreciate that shirt... as obvious to before you explained it... i didn't get it :]

lol.... I must of re-read your explaination at least 4 times before getting it though;

-mike

re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Sasan Jalali — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:23:18 GMT

O.K. The shirt is fun but a variable is not in the realm of Data Structures!

In this context 'i++' can only mean a better 'i'mmutable Data Structure! ( as C++ means a better C )

So keep up the good work,

Sasan

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re: Immutability in C# Part Five: LOLZ!

Richard — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:31:19 GMT

The mark of a true geek. See a joke about a computer science concept and then dissect it to see if it's really funny.