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Getting machines up to par

I promised I was going to write about moving a product from niche to mainstream, but the experience at my in-laws was just an interesting (frustrating?) enough that I had to blog about it.

My in-laws live under some odd budgetary constraints.  They definitely do not have a lot of disposable income, yet they seem to spend money on some things (like a cruise or a big vacation to places like Disney World with their son and his wife's family) which seems to me to be a bit over the top given that I feel like they scrimp on some basics (like a decent car and some household items).  To me it's just a different situation and people who have a much different set of priorities than I was brought up with.  The whole point in saying this is to give the background about the computers in their house.

My father in-law use to work at a computer rental company both selling, servicing and helping to build the business by being the resident IT support staff.  He's been retired for at least 7 or 8 years when the company started to grow and got acquired by another company he was laid off and figured he really didn't want to work any more.  So he's relatively knowledgeable about computers (or at least you would think so!)  Well his home machine was a Pentium 3/550 which was definitely past it's time.  It only had 6 gigs on it and was so loaded down with the residuals of past programs that no longer worked and other things that while it worked for surfing the net, it was by no means a good computer to work with.  On top of that he had a 17” monitor that was fuzzy as all can be.  Plus with his basic configuration he's got USB running from the cable modem directly to the computer so there wasn't a network in the home for me to connect to, so I was stuck looking at the real bad image on the machine trying to do a little bit of work and surfing.

So my brother in-law (his son) picked him up a “new” computer a couple of weeks ago, so I figured that since I'm here and always bored to tears here since I didn't grow up there and basically have to go on what ever errands my wife wants to visit old friends etc, that I'd put together his “new” computer as well as set up a basic network in the house (my treat) so that they could use the old computer as one for the grandkids.

Well it turns out the “new” computer was really a relatively old P3/900 that his son had picked up a computer swap meet for $100.  Well for $100 it's not bad, it had all the components was properly imaged with Windows XP, had Office on it plus had a 30 gig hard drive.  So I figured that I'd make sure it really was clean and re-image it myself etc.  That wasn't too hard of a deal, but I began to think as I waited and waited for the machine to respond every now and then about whether or not it wouldn't have been more expedient and a better purchase to just spend another $300 and get a white box brand new machine with a faster processor better video card etc.  His son also several monitors (also used) that he picks up every now and then so that he would replace the current one and bring over another monitor.  This is where I don't understand the money expenditures, I for example wouldn't have probably ever bothered to buy such an old machine and would have just spent the money to buy a bare bones new machine, but like I said it's a different lifestyle.

So off I go to Best Buy since that's really one of the few places around here to buy computer related equipment especially since they were having a sale on routers.  I pick up a router, some ethernet cables, an ethernet card for the old machine, some more memory for the “new” machine, etc.

So I spent the better part of yesterday putting the new machine together and getting the LAN working.  Of course it didn't work out of the box.  The D-Link router would see the machines on the network even my laptop which was wirelessly connecting, but just for the life of it would not get an IP address fro the WAN.  Nothing I did made any difference, so I had to go call their tech support which luckily didn't take too long, but it was some advanced setting for the network speed that they had me switch which finally did the trick.  That was good since I was loosing face, not that it really mattered.  I was able to connect then with my laptop and with the old desktop.  But the funny thing was that the desktop machine would just keep losing the internet connection every few minutes.  You could get to a site or two and then it would just totally stop for no reason at all.  Still don't know why that happened, but I suspect it had something to do with ZoneAlarms since I had trouble getting the application to even respond on the machine -- once i disabled that permanently it finally started to at least maintain the connection.

For me however it was frustrating as the old machine was really in a sorry state, but all the knowledge I have of networking etc, didn't allow me to trouble shoot why the connection got dropped etc.  At the same time I was setting up the “new” machine and once it was ready I figured that I would just share out the c: drive of the old machine to copy files over as well as remote desktop to it since I only had one monitor at the time.  Here again the machine just didn't want to respond when I was doing all the obvious things and the time just kept slipping away.  Well after a day of doing this and finally getting it to work long enough to copy over the documents and some install programs for applications he had previously purchased, I finally got it all up and running.  At this point I then ran a virus program on the new machine and didn't notice that it also was going to scan the network share, which in retrospect was a good thing since it started to find all sorts of viruses that it just couldn't seem to remove.  So off to get the WinXP disks and another machine to pave over....

What I really wonder in doing all this is how often do people (not those in the technology field) have machines that just don't know how to fix and thus end up not fixing and living with something that is sub-optimum or how many people just throw it all out and just buy a new machine and be done and over with it (without ever getting their data off the old machine?)  Sure there's a wizard in Windows to help with this migration, but that probably would have been a lot more work or at least had it's own set of issues.

Published Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:01 PM by EvanF
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# re: Getting machines up to par

I feel for ya, and totally understand your pain. I do some small computer support on the side and find that 1/3 of the customers are using "new" systems that haven't had a fresh OS install in years. It's like going into an abandoned and condemned warehouse, never know what you'll find. And it can be quite humbling, as you just cannot seem to fix the poor old thing... while the customer begins to doubt your skills.

I guess people that aren't in the IT field just don't realize that a computer ages very rapidly, especially if not taken care of. One of my customers started laughing when I opened his case and started cleaning with compressed air. He thought it was silly that I was cleaning a computer... lol. I tried to use a car analogy, but he didn't buy it.

Oh well, one in the book eh? ;)
Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:02 PM by ChadThiele

# re: Getting machines up to par

One of the many reasons that Windows 95/98 will live forever.....

I see this oh, oh so often... but then I work in the sMB S as in <10 employee world.

But then folks who have windows 98, they have a life....<grin>
Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:25 AM by David R. Hibbeln

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Yeah, see... I think that last comment is very apt. It's the guys with crapping computers that DON'T CARE - which is fine by me. You know there are people out there that change their oil EVERY 50,000 miles (on the dot)?! They look down on these people that wonder what it's like to just to "jump in a car" and drive it till it breaks: "poor souls, I just wonder how many people out there are like that...". Same thinking, it's just a different interest. Get over yourself.

Currently listening to: Third Eye Blind - Forget Myself
Monday, July 26, 2004 3:02 AM by matt

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You said:

end up not fixing and living with something that is sub-optimum or how many people just throw it all out and just buy a new machine and be done and over with it (without ever getting their data off the old machine?)

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Yes, the system as a whole is entirely too complicated. Its pretty funny to look over time and see the ad hoc systems people have, residual and vestigal parts. Don't we all encounter that at home and work? :) And yes, the labor cost to hire someone to repair a system is more expensive than the hardware itself. Isn't this why people call on friends and family members? lol

You raise the fundamental question of: How do people even know where to start? When there is a problem, how can they continue? What level of knowledge does the computer operating system design assume someone has? These are good questions that I'm sure, though not totally solved at the moment, there will be resolutions to tomorrow because they have to be addressed. It isn't a Windows 95/98/98SE/2000 versus XP issue. Windows XP certainly decreased the level of required technical support over Windows 98 with installation of new devices alone (as if normal people want to deal with installing a driver, which always has to be done on Windows 98?! People would spend hours trying to get an internal modem to work and give up and use an external. Ooops but then serial ports went away and USB took over and what do you know -- need more drivers under Windows 98 for USB support. Gee, most Windows 98 machines only had USB 1.1 support if they were lucky - or had to go in search of an after market add-on - and oh the new device is USB 2.0... good thing it is backward compatible. Funny what we do to ourselves and how we rationalize it.)

People have learned to not trust computers, not to trust companies that work with computer hardware and software (they always break and that must be someone's fault), to understand that they don't work all the time and a bit of learned helplessness here too. I'm not being cynical, it's just the way it is and yet it IS getting better :) How do we improve that? How do we make it better? Afterall, isn't that what we're all trying to do, address issues just like what you ran into this weekend? Is it the edge group only that sees the changes happening? How do you let people know that they can do more with a computer than superstitious behavior of cross your fingers and hope it works?

Again, for many people the information on the system is more valuable than the machine - even if it's someone's home email because that has personal value as well as added intellectual property value. Your parents will be able to receive photos of their grandchildren, emails from them, chat / skype with them, etc. Help them learn to do that and the value of those times becomes higher than the time consuming technical problems... until the next one - good thing they have a firewall on the "new" system :)
Monday, July 26, 2004 11:23 AM by Lora

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