We pay 20c/MB for download. Downloads are controlled; only certain machines do them. So we need to download on one machine and install on others.

We simply can't afford to download per install. Other issue include proxies.

Please let us use the product - make it downloadable via resumable ftp or http.

Manual download and install for express, in my case, would be a big help. I've beent rying to get vbexpress to install, and the setup just plain won't go and download the bits it needs - i'd say the network at my work is too tight, but the setup gives no feedback as to why it can't get out.

Oh, and when you press cancel (after watching it download absolutely nothing for ages) it exits out then something crashes, and it generates a 'send error microsoft' message.

So manual download would be sweet so that i can get it to install at all! :)

--Geoff

Just one more commment - it doesn't matter how good you make the installer - we need to download THEN install.

If you want to make the product usable, make it downloadable!

Annie, Our firewall uses a web proxy service, VWD Express would hang on install, the log gave a cryptic error about BITS (which is working fine on the machine, we use SUS Server for updates).

I installed it at home and it downloaded the components successfully, it crashed during the install because I had disabled the swap file and I ran out of free RAM. The resulting error log gave me the url for the full 43MB setup file, a copy and paste into the browser and a few minutes later I had the full installer. I put it on a usb key, took it to work and successfully installed VWD Express.

You guys should give all MS employees a crash course on how to refer to the Express line by thier correct names. Brad Abrams is calling C# Express "the Whidbey express SKU" and he's not the only one confused (and adding to the confusion). I've seen the SQL Server 2005 Express Edition Technical Preview referred to as Beta 2, Beta 1, etc, etc, etc...

And tell them that saying "SKU" doesn't make them cool.

Annie,

Why not refer people to the item which has already been raised for this feature on Product Feedback Center?

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/viewfeedback.aspx?feedbackid=ac88a93f-ef25-4d4a-9499-10cc4e411b70

I wanted to encourage someone at work to get interested in using VB.Net [which seems to be the point of the Express program?]. For a few months more his work PC will still be running Win98 [not listed as supported]. At home he has XP, but he only has a dialup connection.

So - I want to download an installable for him that he can take home and setup.

I image my machine to rollback in case of trouble with an install, and I don't put betas as part of the main image, so every time I rollback, I have to re-download the Express files.

The setup program is not working on my computer, so the only way to install the programs was to download them manually and then install them.

I used to get a BITS_Fatal_Error: CDownloadJob error but now the automated install program just hang (I waited 10 minutes before I stoped it).

If the automated install was working I would prefer it over manual download. That way I am sure that I get the latest version.

If the automated install worked I would be happy to use it. But it doesn't for me and I have checked everything that I have control over. The only thing I can image is that my university's firewall, proxy etc. must be a limiting factor.

With the .NET 2.0 framework, C# Express and the MSDN Express library the download process took a long time (over an hour), even with a 512k broadband connection.

I have 3 machines at home that I'd like to install Express on, including a play/dev machine that I wipe fairly regularly. Going through the download process each time is tedious and unnecessary.

What I really want is to be able to add Express to my CD library of downloaded apps that I can just install/reinstall without needing to grind through an unnecessary download each time.

Also, ditto the comment about a friend with a dial-up connection.

Andrew.

The download with the setup program was very slow (~100k). Manual download was much faster (~700k).

I couldn't get the automated download to work. I checked the BITS servcice was running, I reinstalled it, I checked all of the possible errors listed on the download page but none of the solutions made any difference. The installer just sat at 0kb for about 2 minutes before giving up and creating error reports, which I have submitted.

Anonymous,

Today we added a way to manually download Express. You can find more information at:

http://blogs.msdn.com/express/archive/2004/07/09.aspx

Thanks for providing manual downloads.

Please understand that a manual download is the only solution that covers all requirements.

Please suggest to the appropriate decision makers that automated downloads be made optional, or preferably abandoned as a bad idea.

Using my slow dialin (40kb/sec) line, an automatic download of Web Express failed twice after an hour each, even though the connection was not dropped. The manual version, on the other hand works fine.

I like to control what is placed on my computer and the manaul download and installation gives me that ability.

Also from time to time I to a clean install
of the operating system and applications
on my computer and I do not want to have
to re-download each time I do a new install.

The manual setup would not work for me on XP SP2RC2. It downloaded all required files (I think), then hung. Let it sit for 2 days (I've read elsewhere that it can be slow), then gave up. Had to use task manager to kill it, cuz 'Cancel' completes the current operation (which never completed)

After Installation in Windows XP SP1 computer Vusual WebDeveloper Studio and Visual Basic Expess cannot open file DTE80a.olb

Visual C# manual download works great but the Visual C++ manual download tries to download 60mb again... so no help.

Automated Install hangs every time after downloading 23,260K. Trying the manual install now.........

Kept getting web page unavailable message.

We install and test beta machines in an offline environment. They have no connection to our network and cannot access the internet

I'm in the same boat as others. Charged download rates and the need to install on several machines.
Makes more sense to download the full install once.

Dialup connection.

Need I say more?

i have internet only at office machine and once this product is steup here i can't take it to house so that i can develop in it further

Hi,

there's a slight problem on the automated installation, after you install it once it doesn't appear to have been installed, I had to go through the installation process again for it to see that it was installed.

SQL server 2005 seems to be IO heavy i've had to stop it from running as it was slowing down my machine.

I live in the UK and luckily I've got a 2MB link at work as I've only got dial up at home so it would not have been impossible for me to download it.

On your CD ordering section you don't cover the UK, I think a lot of people in the uk would be interested if they can order the cd as most of us don't have DSL/cable connections.

I do majority of my development work inside facilities that are completly isolated from outside networks. If I am not able to put it on a CD, it doesn't go in.

I'm cut off the net, so I'm forced to download bits from my library, and then take them home for install.

This web installer should be optional, and the usual download and install should be the default method.
The others told the rest about this issue, I agree with them.

The networks at my site continued to abort the download. The link was very slow to the server, and I think it simply timed out, becuase the connections were reset by the serving server.

56k Modem at home, thought the 2.4Mb was big enough. Dissappointed to find out there was another 36Mb to follow. Should have had a warning??? before wasting my time. Tried 3 times with Thunderbird and failed (it has NO problems downloading from ANY other website. Then finally got it using IE, sad that it's bigger than 2.4 Mb...

So I'm downloading at work, cutting a CD and taking it home...

The express setup program is not working on my computer. It is just simply dying after I click on it. In one case when it did run, nothing happened at all. I left it running for more than 3 hours, and nothing.
Also since I have multiple computers (not all of them are connected to the net) it will be much easier for me to download it in one go, burn it on CD and do the install.

My ISP keeps kicking me out so I can't download all three betas at once. Will have to do them individually.

I using these betas at home, but downloading from antoher place.. i dont have bandwith to download from home.

Well, for two things:
1) I needed to install it on a computer not connected to the internet
2) I live in Bucharest, Romania. You guys probabily have a mirror set up here because my download speeds were always in 600 - 2000 kb. The automatic installer downloaded at around 2 kb, which is pretty low to get more than 200 megabytes.

First; Thank you, to let us downloading the applications

My concern regards the speed your installer used to download the application.
Too slow, from the dial up my computer utilized.

Manual download in my case, was much faster, even though I’m using only 5.30 kb/s. and I can see how many kb/s the download takes. Which is omni present with the installer?

Some of my colleagues have a much kb/s and should be happy to be parts of this free (for now) download process. I send to all a happy day.

Thank you

Monk R.

Automatic installer downloaded quit abruptly after about 1 meg both using Mozilla Firefox and the Compuserve (AOL) browsers. Only worked with IE 6, but even then it puts a 2.34mb file where I told it, and did not install anything automatically. I see what that file initiates another time.

For some reason the download of the VB2005 manual install files takes 75% less time than the automatic installer. Another advantage is that I can save the files for later (since I am am going to change to another laptop in 2 weeks

Like other users outside America, I do not have broadband at home, want to load to machines not on the Internet, and like to know in advance how large the WHOLE download is before starting.

Only wanted to download once and install on many. Saves bandwidth for other purposes.

Also, have some remote machines that are not on the internet; therefore; they cannot use the install on demand feature.

I'm a developer, so making things too simple defeats the purpose of knowing how to do things properly. I'm not in a Sales or Marketing position! So don't treat me like one!

After the full download if VC++ and the MSDN and the .NET 2.0 there was a reboot and then the message "setup might take a few minutes...", anyways after 30 minutes i killed the process... only to discover i had no idea how to re-start it

The download kept crashing because I have a flaky connection. I have to start over then, which is really frustrating if you are almost finished. Now I am using DAP and its really screaming. Instead of a 2.5 hour process that kept crashing, this will take just 25 mins. and resume is supported! Thx, folks.

Downloaded the installer for the Beta VB Express, only have an Internet connection on ald Win '95 machine (continuous problems with virusses/spam mean that I am forced to isolate the Internet on this old machine or I don't get any work done)... but installer will not run on the PC I need the Express package on - therefore, I failed to get it... plus I am in th UK and can't even order the CD yet. Why not? Does the US postal service not send packages to the UK any more?

The original downloader you used simply didn't work - after 7 attempts to download C# Express (without MSDN or SQL Express) I had spent USD $110 on GPRS data fees and still didn't have the product.

Not everyone has broadband and 100% uptime connections guys, you as much as anyone should know that. If you care to refund my $110 please feel free to do so.

Automated install just didn't work. All the parts downloaded, the installer ran, requested a reboot, which I did, but nothing had actually installed. I ran the installer again, thinking it might carry on installing try to fix the previous install, or even start again using cached files, but no, it just started to download again from the very beginning. With a manual download I at least know I have the files, if the install doesn't work I can have another go without waiting hours for the download again...

I have tried the automated download twice with the same results ... crash after installing the framework. The definition of insanity being 'doing the same thing and expecting different results' ... I will now try the manual install.

I am installing on a Virtual PC, and I expect to install more than once. I need to be able to download the files once, to my physical PC, then I will install from there. Multiple virtual downloads just won't do it.

Another reason for this process is that the automatic install failed on a different VM, claiming I had "Visual Studio .NET Prerequisites (English)" installed. Needless to say, that didn't show up in Add/Remove Programs. I'm hoping the full installers do a better job of telling me what I need to uninstall, even if they only do so in the log files.

I only have a dial up connection at home(Imagine there are still people like me). I normally go to a cyber cafe. Download the stuff. Burn and bring home to download. It is much cheaper for me and i do not have to worry about if i need to reinstall my PC.
Raja

ISA Server 2004 configuration doesn't allow the download of Visual Basic Express finish.

Use Dailup at home, which gets diconnected after 2 hours of use. When I get disconnected, setup just dies. It also doesn't save the progress, so I have to start the again.

Offer hand holding for the people that need it, and give the rest of us a way to do it easily. The manual download shouldn't have been hard to find since the automatic installer is so annoying and slow.

Please don't assume you know what I want and the way I want it.

Need to download on work machine (NT4, broadband) to install on private home machine (XP Pro, 56K modem).

I do not run BITS. I only allow transfers that are initiated and monitored directly via well know protocols. Eg FTP or HTTP.

Installation target is on a VERY private network

Basically it is a good thing to render the installation of software as convenient as possible. But, there should be more information what is going to be installed, where it goes, etc. More transparency!!! And, why seems it to be a fact, that everybody is connected!? I think that the main problem is, that the beta version should only be installed on machines, that are not part of production network. So it must be possible to 'packetize' the installation routines. So, like said in another respond above, the express installation should be an optional feature. The software must be downloaded either.

56K dialup at home. Takes too long.

Another problem which may be related. To deploy a .net program on a number of PCs which run Win98 and are connected only via dialup requires the download of dontnetfx.exe which is too time consuming for a small one off windows form program.

56K dialup at home. Takes too long.

Another problem which may be related. To deploy a .net program on a number of PCs which run Win98 and are connected only via dialup requires the download of dontnetfx.exe which is too time consuming for a small one off windows form program.

I am a student, can't afford broadband because I moved around a fair bit (issue: reconnection fee), still using dial up.
I download most of the thing from uni.
It would be nice if u guys(Visual Studio Setup) made a package that include all documentations; I usually also saved a copy of a web page where I downloaded from, just in case the downloaded .exe doesn't have seom of the info(like installation procedure, etc.)

Downloading with the setup program was painstakingly slow and downloading individually was as fast as always (There is no proxy involved, Windows XP SP2 RC2, Windows Update V5)

Setup gets the the point where it should start downloading the components and just sits there. No errors, not indication of problems. I've read the Know Issues document and none of the information helped.

At home I have a computer with 56kbit connection. So an online installation is nearly impossible and too expensive. Not everyone has a fast connection.

The auto installer couldn't start the first download, so after a hopeful half an hour,i quit and went for the manual option.

I'm in the uk, behind the janet academic network firewall. I suppose that this is the reason for the stall.

Well, using download manager is much much faster than to let the auto-installer downlaod it.

So I chose the manual download and used Download Accelerator.

To conserve bandwidth I like to download once and install later on many machines.

Had to download manually. After installing automatically, the install completed, finished and asked for a reboot but C# was not installed.

After looking at the manual installation I installed each component manually and got an error message I didn't get with the automatic version. Looks like the install didn't like the fact that I had Net 1.1 already installed but didn't tell me. There also might eb something up with installing SQL Server Express too, but I don't know too much about that yet.

When you have multiple installs to deal with it is much easier to make one big download than several equally big downloads. Thanks for the manual download.

One suggestion: think hard on providing a single download for all instances of VS2005. One double click installs them all!!!

I´m planning to install it on a test environment that does not have internet access.

When I tried to download VB Express manually, I found that trying to download .NET Framework 2 Beta results in a 404.

In Namibia we are connected to ISDN with 64k. Download some 40-50MB with 3 to 7 kB/sec taks some time and the connection may stop during the download. The solution is to us a dowload manager, but the download manager is not involved when using the automated download.

Tried automatic download. It stopped working on the last file. Then manually downloaded all files except the Net Framework bets, which is now unavailable!

Getting a 404 on the 2.0 Framework, that was stopping the auto. Still need it though

Thanks for submitting the error information, we are investigating getting it fixed.

The automatic Install took WAY too long to download.

The automatic installer worked flawlessly on my home computer, and also on my work computer. But several of my co-workers were interested and they don't have high speed access at home, and I wanted them to try this out.

Thanks for making this great product available. I own Visual Studio 2003, and after trying Visual Studio 2005, I will purchase the final version when it becomes available. This latest is way cool. It just keeps getting better and better.

Maybe you could develop an installer that I could run on other computers and it would make a list of the files needed just for that computer. Just a thought.

Thanks so much,
Ben Buckwalter

Installed fine on my 2-way servers <windows server 2003>, no problems at all. Installation stalled thrice on my laptop, so I had to do a manual download. Connection to the net is 3mbps, at remote location. Manual files are good, especially for backup too. I think very highly of Microsoft. Well done Microsoft.

1. Dial-up users' best friends are download managers like Getright (while I'm here, I might as well ask why MS has yet to incorporate a download manager with pause/resume feature into IE...this problem has been around as long as dial-up internet), i don't know if the web install has that feature but I'm not gonna waste my time finding out.
2. I have a DVD full of utilities that this would be a nice addition to - i frequently refer to it after formats so that I can re-install the good stuff.

I manually downloaded simply because my only access to broadband is at work, and I wanted to install C# Express on my home machine.

Thanks for the good work.

I used manual download because the auto-installer was very slow downloading files using my broadband connection...!

I used the installer and when it ended the install and I was asked to Restart I cancelled because I had other programs running that I couldn't immediately close. When I restarted the PC nothing happened i.e the install didn't/hadn't completed.
I then read the notes which said you shouldn't reply cancel. It would have been "helpful" if this was specified on the main page before the install was started - it would have saved me re-downloading it all again (but this time manually).

I was installing VSExpress to solve a install problem SQLExpress beta2.(The problem was that MS has two different release version. I used the one that was 3 days older and it solved the problem)
I stop the automated install at 13MB because it was taking too long. Stopped it and it crash after selecting some of it choices.
Continued with NET2.0 SDK and SQLExpress beta 2 installation.
The standard VSExpress install is crashing saying it encountered setup installation components problems.
Last resort to do manual install and should be one of our choices to do manual installs.

I have to do a manual install since my suddenly shutted down because of the circuit in my laptop. The reason for this is that the circuit increased the resistance thinking that my laptop were overheating even though it's not overheating then it shutted down automatically. It would be better if it supports resuming from shutdown or hangup but again, my laptop doesn't hang but shuts down suddenly. My laptop is a Toshiba 1905-S301 but I know you don't have support for that but just want to let you know that I have to do a manual install.

Thanks.
-Grayson

I manually downloaded becuase I needed to download on a computer that had broadband access. I then put it on my USB drive so I could install it at home.

Annie,

The automated install will not work for me. the install just hangs there. After about 2 minutes and 0kb sent, an error report is generated (which I've submitted many times).

Downloading manually gives me a backup copy.

Thanks

The BITS from the installer was using a fraction of the available bandwidth and was causing the download to take way to long when the manual download was very quick.

Doing a web install over dial up is not an option, way too slow. So I download the offline install at work and then take home and install.

The automatic install seems to take much longer and does not seem to utilize the available bandwidth completely. The manual installation is progressing much faster.

Also, there is no indicator for the %of download complete for each package being installed.

Well, basicall i need to install on more then one machine. I have a dialup at home so i download it from a quicker conection to install at home, much easier then waitinf for all that information to download from a dialup connection.

I downloaded both MSDN Express Library 2005 Beta and VB Resource Kit manually, but when I try to instal them I get a message: "Extracting file failed. This is most likely caused by low memory or a corrupted cabinet file." I have chacked that the file is not corrupted (downloaded the MSDN Library file twice). I have 512 MB memory and about 15GB free disk space. Suggestions?

The machine I want to install on is behind a firewall that doesn't allow the "automated" install. So I wanted to download from to my computer in another building and carry it over.

But in any case, neither the automated nor the manual worked for me, because they both insist on installing to drive C:, and then complaining that there's not enough space. I want to install to drive D:. The automated download asked me for a destination, I gave it drive D:, and it still complained that there wasn't enough room on C:. The manual download never even asks.

Myself and 2 co-workers have experienced repeated failures from the web based installation of VWD Express. When we click the information link upon being presented dialog box: "Error occured during setup. The following component failed to dowload: VWD 2005 Express Edition Beta - English" and the the file uxeventlog.txt is opened in Notepad with the last line reading "HTTP_FileVer_Fail:"


Regards,
MGNC

I installed Visual Studio 2005 on a clean Windows XP SP1 installation on Virtual PC 2004. After starting the application, I received the error "The type library for DTE (DTE80a.olb) could not be loaded. Please re-run steup and rapair your installation."

Of course, I have uninstalled and re-installed Visual Studio 2005 but I got the same error after the re-install. Does anyone know how this can be rectified?

Thanks,

Taiwo
(taiwo_a@hotmail.com)

Hi, could you please submit a bug report to the MSDN Product Feedback Center for this DTE type library issue? This way we can all track it down. This is a great thing to do in general when you find bugs and issues.

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/

Thanks,
Paul

Want to install on another computer without Internet connection.

landmn@hotmail.com

1. Download at work over D3 line
2. Install on test machine which has no internet access
3. Load on USB key for home machine

The automatic installer failed with multiple tries. I don't have time to investigate why. The manual approach really isn't any more complex.

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/vwd/default.aspx

i didn't have trouble downloading, like it says... i had trouble installing. the installer fails because it can't download, but that's not me...

this thread was not simple to find. not hard, but i had to work at it :(

ps that's the slowest ms fileserver i've seen since wfw 3.11

I use multiple machines in my home network for developement and I have a machine not connected to the internet for testing developed software I also run multiple operating systems on several machines and install clean OS's for testing. Downloading before installing makes sense

The Automatic installer failed to install the optionals(SQL etc) plus very slow

Didn't have any trouble just decieded to use a download acc. and the Manual setup is divided into small units which makes it easier for us dial-up guys plus time is a concern ... Thanx

To fix the "The type library for DTE (DTE80a.olb) could not be loaded. Please re-run steup and rapair your installation." error...
Just goto x:\program files\common files\microsoft shared\MSEnv\ and rename DTE80a.olb to DTE80a.olb.bak and DTE.olb to DTE.olb.bak. Then repair your current VS 2005 installation and it should work just fine.

Am downloading VWD and SQL Express separately as bootstrapping them does not appear to give me opportunity to specify admin password for SQL Express and there seems to be no way to do it otherwise.

Hello,
generally, I prefer the offline installers. I'm connecting to the internet via GPRS (mobile phone), so it's about 40 Kbps. It means that reinstalling of about 200 MB program from the internet is impossible. We also have the ADSL connection, but I have to be mobile, because I'm not very often at home.
Best wishes, Steve

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