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"Two Things I Hate" or "Macromedia, please help me!" - Part 2

John Dowdell from Macromedia has a very good point on my post about Flash ads.

Bad ads and bad pages are indeed a problem, regardless of delivery format... GIF ads blink just as much, in-page MP3 are fortunately an aberration whose time has gone.

The issue I am having is not the ads themselves (well, I do have an issue with the ads, but it's not the topic of these posts :-)). It's the fact that the end user is not given control in Flash over when content is presented and this is by design. Flash is not doing anything to help me protect myself from bad ads.

I understand that such design makes a lot of sense for Macromedia. Not because they are evil or something; it's just they are a business and as such their goal is to maximize their profit, not to please the end users. Macromedia is not getting money from me when I watch content in Flash. They are getting the money from the ads companies that buy their development tools.

For what it's worth, a good advertisement won't go all soapbox-y until you give it explicit direction... take a look at how video is controlled in this "Go Away Spray" example:
http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/flash/articles/video_ads_fak.html

I totally agree with that. However, most ads are not good. Most ads will do anything to steal my attention and make me click through them. It's not yet as bad as spam, but it's getting there. (An example - when "Walking Tall" came out on the big screen, there wasn't a single day when The Rock wouldn't pop on my Yahoo! Mail screen. I must've clicked on this ad like fifty times or even more while trying to read my mail. In fact, that was the straw on the camel's back.) And, as John himself puts it:

People at Macromedia are trying to influence good advertising design, but it's hard to enforce it...

I commend Macromedia for these efforts, but that is not going to solve the problem.

Frankly, I don't really expect Macromedia to do anything about this. Still, one must never cease to hope. Plus, I just had to vent out... :-)

SIDE NOTE: John pointed me to XP SP2 as a possible solution. (Btw, it's interesting to note that the article John points to uses Flash ActiveX as an example :-)) This is would work only in IE and will most probably work only until somebody comes up with the idea of having a Java applet that internally instantiates the Flash object. I haven't tried this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Browser Add-ons manager misses that.

There is also a wonderfull system tray utility that helps with installing/uninstalling Flash in IE. Several other people pointed me to a Firefox extension. Albeit these are great tools, they are still just workarounds. They target the problem in particular browser only. I'd love to have a generic solution, that wouldn't require me to install third party tools in my browser or on my OS.

Adam Robertson says in a comment:

Why blame Flash? These overlay ads can be made in any technology (admitedly 99.9% are flash) but only work in IE (due to it's lax security model and non-standard treatment of layers), so why not blame IE? Simple answer, switch to Firefox.

The topic of my post was a particular problem I have with Flash. Switching to Firefox is not the simple answer to world hunger and peace in Middle East. Flash will still work in Firefox and it will still be on by default and unless I install an extension to Firefox, Firefox will not prevent Flash from playing those ads. (Please, correct me if I am wrong)

I happen to like Firefox a lot; however, the fervor with which some people tend to push their political agenda is utterly frustrating. It's the single thing that puts me off of open source technologies and OSS community. Fanatics are not my favorite type of people.

Published Tuesday, August 17, 2004 11:42 AM by Franci Penov
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# re: "Two Things I Hate" or "Macromedia, please help me!" - Part 2

"political agenda"? The Flash blocker in Firefox replaces every Flash movie with a button that you click IF you want to see the Flash play.

That's not a political agenda, that is a helpful hint to solve your problem.
Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:17 PM by Shannon J Hager

# re: "Two Things I Hate" or "Macromedia, please help me!" - Part 2

I apologize, Shannon, maybe I missed something. Can you point me to the exact part of Adam's comment where he mentiones the Firefox extension?

Adam's comment was in the line of "You got everything wrong. Flash doesn't have any problem, it's the evil IE. Go get Firefox". (Or at least that's how I perceived it. Maybe I am just plain paranoid...)

There are several wrong things with comment like this:

1. Attempt to transfer the problem domain to another technology, which the author happens to hate. The fact that Flash does not allow me to choose wheter content is played by default _is_ Flash problem. No amount of cheap rethoric will make this IE problem.

2. Implicit assesment about the superiority of the author's favorite platform without any basis. IE and Firefox both behave identically with regard to this issue, unless additional component is installed on the machine. Adam completely avoids any explanation how Firefox will solve my problem and just plainly pushes me into it.

Any comment that uses cheap rethoric and misconstrued logic like this is not a constructive discussion. It is a "political agenda", as the only purpose it actually serves is to further the author's "political" (as opposed to purely technological :-)) views and position.

For example of how the same Firefox extension can be presented in polite, constructive and purely technical way you can check the several other comments in the same post. All of them simply state "There is an extension to Firefox, that helps with this problem".
Tuesday, August 17, 2004 8:57 PM by Franci Penov

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