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Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.

First, some basics: we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer. This new release will build on the work we did in Windows XP SP2 and (among other things) go further to defend users from phishing as well as deceptive or malicious software.

Why? Because we listened to customers, analysts, and business partners. We heard a clear message: “Yes, XP SP2 makes the situation better. We want more, sooner. We want security on top of the compatibility and extensibility IE gives us, and we want it on XP. Microsoft, show us your commitment.” 

I think of today’s announcement as a clear statement back to our customers: “Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”

Why are we talking about it today? Because our customers and partners have asked us, with increasing urgency, what our plans are. We want to convey our intentions to our customers and partners clearly and in a timely way.

I’ve gotten questions about the ship date. Yes, we have a date in mind. I’ll talk about the date after we get feedback from customers and partners. We’re going to release a beta and listen, then refresh the beta and listen some more. We’ll ship when the product is ready.

I’ve also gotten questions about support for Windows 2000. Right now, we’re focused on XP SP2. We’re actively listening to our major Windows 2000 customers about what they want and comparing that to the engineering and logistical complexity of that work. That’s all I can say on that topic.

Please know that the IE team is working hard. We’re eager to improve and better secure the web experience for the hundreds of millions of IE users around the world. We delivered on our part of XP SP2. We are actively delivering on our part of a great 64-bit Windows client.  We continue to deliver on security updates for customers (across several versions of IE (back to IE 5.01) and Windows). We’re going to deliver on IE7. 

Dean

Published Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:19 AM by ieblog
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# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:25 AM by Jim
> we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer.

That's FANTASTIC news! Thank you!

Any hints as to what will be updated?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:33 AM by Brady J. Frey
Any released information stating your commitment to modern coding practices -- meaning XHTML, CSS, XML... not to mention full PNG support? Aside from security, this has been the reason why we've dropped IE's usage company wide -- I have the choice of building one internet application for all users; or one for IE users. We don't want to waste money doing both anymore.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:36 AM by Robert Scoble
Here's the press release of Bill Gates' announcement this morning:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/feb05/02-15RSA05KeynotePR.asp

# Internet Explorer 7.0 on the way...

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:38 PM by Mikehall's Embedded WebLog

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:40 AM by Paul
Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:43 AM by David
VERY glad to hear we're looking at a new IE!

Got a question, though:

It's clear you have been listening to those parties (customers, analysts, and partners) who directly or indirectly most affect your *monetary* bottom line, and that's understandable for any business.

However, for content creators, web developers, and related "creative" types trying to make things work across platforms, are there as yet any plans in place/in progress to more fully support not only MS-specific technologies, but open standards such as:

- CSS
- XHTML
- PNG
- SVG
- MathML
- etc.
??

It's truly great that MS has "heard" and is "committed"--I do hope that enhancing the support of such open standards (developed by W3C-type bodies of which MS is a part) is part of that "listening" and "commitment". The folks at Mozilla.org and Opera, to name just two, have been able to do this to a much greater extent to date, but I *have* to believe it's possible for MS to do this (even in addition to more proprietary solutions contained within the same browser).

Please comment on this for the benefit of all concerned. Thanks.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:43 AM by Dominic Self
Fantastic news! Now, you know what people want... go out and build the best damn browser you can.

# ie 7 this summer?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:50 PM by adot's notblog*
The IE blog is reporting that Microsoft will be releasing an IE 7 this summer. It appears that their plans to use Longhorn as the delivery vehicle for browser upgrades has been reversed. The only question I have is will they actually improve their rendering capabilities, or will this be a UI hackjob to bring their five year old app up to a contemporary featureset. Actually, I have one more question. Why are they leaving out over hundreds of millions of users by not offering this to users of Windows pre-XPSP2? Scoble's posted too. I expect Cnet to have something up today....

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:59 AM by James Proud
Amazing guys :)

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:02 AM by Chris
This is great news, but I can't help but think to myself, 'Geez, they've had 3 years already. Where have these guys been?' I eagerly await the new IE, but I doubt I will switch from my current browser...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:05 AM by Patrick Corcoran
> Good news, hopefully this will shut the forefox users up once and for all.

How so? Consider also that competition is very healthy. Without all those "firefox users" it's unlikely you would even be seeing this IE7 build at this time.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:07 AM by Luke
A few things id like to see are the ability to turn tabbed browsing off (i dont like it - assuming this will be included) and the ability to write managed plugins.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:11 AM by TDavid
I'm with Patrick, FF and a bunch of Microsoft customers complaining are responsible for the upcoming IE 7.0, but whatever the motivation, I, too, am glad it's coming!

I am down to about 60/35 (Safari for the other 5%) usage with IE barely being used more than FF . Looking forward to seeing integrated RSS in IE7 (I'm sure this will be just one of many features).

Excellent news!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:12 AM by Amir Hadi
Great news !

Features like Tabbed Browsing wood be just nice !
But let to you time for working on the security of the Internet Explorer.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:14 AM by CTerry
As above my priority is code compatibility. If IE's rendering engine can't much Firefox's I still won't use it.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:15 AM by M
windows2000supportrequest++;

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:16 AM by Rikki
Please just fix the rendering! Do the web a favour!

# Internet Explorer 7 Beta, Summer 2005. :D

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 PM by Windows Shell/User

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:21 AM by Snuffkin
You've got a great opportunity here; you can still get back a lot of those people who have switched from IE, I'm sure. Please understand that it is more than just security as our concern; the rendering engine is something we, the 'creative' people all want to be better.

In fact, if you implement the CSS3 draft, you will have a VERY MAJOR advantage over FF, which does not yet support it.

# Internet Explorer 7.0 announced

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:25 PM by Kevin Harder

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:25 AM by Chris
Oh good to hear it!

But how long do you have to hear people scream and scream and scream that they need and want an updated IE? You play it as if you guys are doing your customers a favor! Get real! You're only doing it because FF is gaining popularity.

Stick to standards and don't add any MS proprietary bs to it and I'm sure you'll win back a lot of the fans you've lost.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:26 AM by Ali_G
Wicked news!!!
Is yous givin da beta to us or do me has to be beta tester in da house?
IE is wicked. Respect to ya.
Me and ma julie is waiting for it! FF and OP is no alternatives 2 IE but lots of da homies outside ain't believe that!

# Technology Support

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:27 AM by praseodymium
It would be really nice to see IE support CSS2, alpha PNG, etc.
If Microsoft wants to give IE users a full experience, they should really implement this. I currently develop sites for standards-compliant browsers: IE will be able to view the site but not with all fancy things like transparency.
If it will be fixed, I'd be really thankful to Microsoft and I'm sure many others will be too.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:28 AM by rock
sound good! It's sure to succeed!!
good luck!
rock

# Are the Browser Wars Back On?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:28 PM by Dave Bost

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:30 AM by Nikolay Nikolov
>A few things id like to see are the ability to turn tabbed browsing off

What do you mean? If you don't choose to open links in a new tab, you might not notice that tabbed browsing is supported at all. Why would you want to turn it off?

# IE8?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:31 PM by TrackBack
IE8?

# Internet Explorer 7 Coming After All

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:31 PM by Faraway, So Close
Originally they weren't going to update Internet Explorer until the next version of Windows came out (Longhorn... longtooth... long-in-coming), but Gates just announced that they will be coming out with v7 sometime this summer. Funny how all those people running to download Firefox made enough noise to cause M$ to reconsider....

# torresburriel.com » ?Ya viene Internet Explorer 7?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:34 PM by TrackBack
torresburriel.com » ?Ya viene Internet Explorer 7?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:37 AM by Rod
What about Server 2003? I'd like to have a more secure verison of IE to put on my terminal servers :)

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:39 AM by Rosyna
“Hey, Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”

Then reading the actual blog entry and press release it seems that MS is not listening. The comments here mention CSS and PNG support yet there is no mention in any of the "official" statements that these will ever be improved.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:40 AM by Lola
OSX ... OSX ... OSX . . . wherefore art thou?

# MS working on Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:40 PM by vowe dot net
Scoble mirrors a statement on the IE blog: Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.First, some basics: we're committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers....

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:41 AM by Snuffkin
OSX..OSX... I think this move is primarily designed to get MS's userbase back. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I think they're going to try and get it out as quick as possible and unfortunately OSX (and maybe 2000/2003) support just can't be included in that. I'm sure support for it will follow ASAP.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:42 AM by Bob
OSX ... OSX ... OSX . . . wherefore art thou?

Keep looking theres about 3% of the population using it, so you may find one if your lucky.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:45 AM by joe
Will it work on linux and beos?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:46 AM by Dennis Webb
TABBED BROWSING - Please!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:47 AM by Firefox
Considering MS had 3 years to fix simple things like PNG support and CSS support, I say forget about IE7. It's Firefox all the way, and W3C web standards > MS proprietary standards.

Firefox > IE any day/month/year/decade/millennium

# Microsoft to release a new version of Internet Explorer

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:47 PM by Dennis Webb

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:48 AM by Tom Reichert
That is some really great news, thanks for the info!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:50 AM by Andrew Hume
Hmm... Why can't I help thinking, we're all going to be so disappointed?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:51 AM by Richard Bethell
Excellent news, most excellent. As a developer, some improvement in both the standards adhered to and the usability would be nice, but most important is improving security. Got to get rid of that phishing, and have to shut down ActiveX's misuse as an enabling mechanism for Spyware.

I use both Firefox and IE, and I think the increased development activity in both camps will only improve the web experience for everyone.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:52 AM by nobby
Don't bother, just give up and go home. Microsoft is on the way out and Gates is getting desperate, even threatening Danish politicians now if they don't back his Euro policies - disgusting. Good riddance to your lame software.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:54 AM by Snuffkin
I strongly reccomend you ignore the negative comments above. I hate Firefox, and I'm not the only one. You make it, and we will listen.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:55 AM by Jonathan
Excellent news. As someone who develops apps that embed the web browser and MSHTML, I can't wait to find out what additional features are going to be added.

Interesting timing too, because just last week I had a dream where I got a preview CD of IE7.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:57 AM by Pointer
great news, but my webserver blocks msie agents :P

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:59 AM by GodaiNoBaka
Well, this announcement would be good news. Only a few problems:

1) Our shop still uses Win2k, not XP, so a browser version which is not backward-compatible with previous OS versions is going to go over about as well as a lead balloon around here.

2) Even if the new browser is good enough to make us upgrade our operating system (unlikely, but I will grant the possibility) our clients will NOT follow suit. They are understandably reticent about requiring their users to spend more money than necessary to use their product, and requiring them all to upgrade to XP is going to be a significant expense.

3) This strikes me as the same mentality of Best Buy and other retailers who offer to "match any lower price." This has always annoyed me. Why should I let you MATCH the lowest price? Why not reward the retailer who came out with the lowest price ORIGINALLY? By the same token, I see no reason to switch back to IE, just because they have finally caught up with Firefox!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:59 AM by shiv
It makes me realise that IE7 is not going to be written ground up and also its not stripped out of the underlying windows security mechanism(*fiasco*). I would wait to see what it can offer, I keep my expectations really low though.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:01 AM by Carcarlo
It would be great if IE7 will fully support at least 1998's W3C specifications. Let's hope so.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:02 AM by bryce schaufelberger
hi yes me two glad ie7 is coming i hope that ie7 shuts of close ad pop up in there pop up blocker to abilities to take off ads on websites so the page is freash clean with out ads that would be nice and to like yahoo toolbar they have anti spy cleanner that scan your system for ads and deletes them off your computer hope it is possible that ie7 has it in there broswer built in button on the toolbar that customers can scan clean there system from ie pop ups

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:05 AM by David Naylor
This sounds very much like a 'hang-in-there' message to all the corporations out there thinking about switching to Firefox... After all the betas and delays, I would expect a final IE7 to be out no earlier than spring 2006.

Reading the description of what is to come, IE7 sounds like little more than a glorified XP SP3...

Also, I believe maintaining compatibility = not touching the rendering engine. So, don't hold your breath for real CSS or PNG support...

# IE7?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:05 PM by The Slakinski Log
Scoble and Dean reports: "...we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows XP customers. Betas of IE7 will be available this summer. This new release will build on the work we did in Windows XP SP2...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:08 AM by David Naylor
@GodaiNoBaka
"By the same token, I see no reason to switch back to IE, just because they have finally caught up with Firefox!"

"Caught up" is maybe a little strong for what they have done so far ... ;-)

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:08 AM by Brian
please please please let is support web standards and a proper DOM.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:08 AM by Garcia Lorca
I think it's fantastic the the most insecure, noncompliant browser since at least 1995 is getting an update. Any idea on who cares?

# Veerle's blog

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:09 PM by TrackBack
Veerle's blog

# Internet Explorer and Security

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:11 AM by John T. Haller
The CNET article on the IE7 beta quotes Bill Gates as saying "Browsing is definitely a point of vulnerability."

Yes, browsing is a point of vulnerability. Those of us who are concerned about security have already switched to Opera, Firefox or another operating system.

... and I say this as an ASP / ASP.NET developer.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:11 AM by vetinari
@nobby

This is just good business sense. Microsoft's first duties aren't to its customers, but its shareholders. Telling politicians that European companies can't compete (even if they can still patent their stuff in America!) is just good business.

Also, for you interoperability clowns out there. You're always going on about how monocultures are bad. You often use biological arguments to back your points. Well, why are you so keen on standards then? Surely different software and platforms give 'genetic' diversity, different standards give memetic diversity.

It is rarely in Microsoft's business interests to interoperate with software made by others, except to ease migration TO (and certainly not FROM) MS software.

As Richard Stallman is fond of saying, there are two types of competition, and I agree:

1 - the competition to have the best features
2 - slagging off and otherwise squeezing your competitors - which he calls combat.

Microsoft can't win type 1, because as soon as it innovates open sourcers will copy. It must therefore win type 2.

Announcing this on the same day that FF was downloaded 25 million times is an excellent example of this. Patents are another excellent example. Financial leverage - ie buying out companies and then threatening to fire the employees - is another good example. Pretending for so long that IE was only going to come out in Longhorn encouraged the competition to become lazy and not release new features - yet another example. Microsoft has handled the whole affair skilfully, and the move away from developer skill to legal skill with considerable aplomb.

MS developers may not be as friendly or approachable as the Firefox crew, but they handle themselves more professionally, and I certainly accord them all due respect for their business savvy.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:12 AM by Silvia
I hope that the new version be more compatible with web standards...

# regnskygge.net » The lathe of heaven?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:13 PM by TrackBack
regnskygge.net » The lathe of heaven?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:13 AM by deoren
Competition will be interesting. If IE7 isn't released for previous Operating systems (2000, XP minimum), then I don't see how many will care.

Most IE users with any technical knowledge have already duck-taped it with enough addon popup blocking, anti this, anti that, etc. that it's buldging at the seams.

If it isn't built secure from the ground up and ripped away from the framework of the OS, it will be a dud.

For now, and the conceivable furture, Firefox/Safari/Opera remain the viable options for secure web browsing.

If it supports recent web standards however, it may stand a chance. Web development today requires using standards, and so do users of their browsers.

Last but not least, quit taking months to get a n issue fixed.


Here are a few examples:
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/netsec/2001-11/msg00012.html
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,115664,00.asp
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118172,00.asp

Here is an exerpt from the last cited source:

########################################################################
################
Slow on the Update?

eEye Digital Security criticized Microsoft for taking its time on some
of the patches, with a patch for the Zip issue taking 71 days from when
Microsoft was notified of the problem. A less serious
privilege-escalation issue took Microsoft 408 days to patch, eEye said.
Both were fixed in the August release of SP2 before being released this
week as stand-alone patches.

Sophos' Cluley responded that speed isn't always the most important
concern with patching. "As long as information about how to exploit the
problem doesn't get out, it's probably better for them to take the time
to make sure the patch works properly," he said.

He noted that in the past some of Microsoft patches have required
patches of their own because they haven't worked or have created new
problems.
########################################################################
################

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:17 AM by steve ray
Yeah, fantastic news. Another version to get kicked in the ass by Firefox.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:19 AM by Sebastian Werner
Please add support for the currently used major technologies:

* Real PNG Support
* CSS 2 Support
* DOM 2 Support (Event Handling, ...)
* XHTML Support

# IE7 to come..

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:20 PM by .redSPLASH - Blog
..sooner than one might have expected? Although I doubted for long that anything good would ever come out of Microsoft's Internet Explorer department, and Tom Sommer still doubts (see this chat transcript on Microsoft TechNet saying there would not be any

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:23 AM by Artur
I would like IE7 to perform the way my monitor performs. And by that I mean that a web page should only be able to control what is drawn on the canvas and not the browser UI. Things like changing the status bar text, making it full screen, changing scroll bar appearance, etc should not be allowed period.

# Ensight - Jeremy C. Wright » IE 7 Announced

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:27 PM by TrackBack
Ensight - Jeremy C. Wright » IE 7 Announced

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:28 AM by Bob
We need TABBED BROWSING please!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:29 AM by vh
Here's an idea for how Microsoft can fix IE. Replace it with Firefox.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:30 AM by Snuffkin
quote_____
If it isn't built secure from the ground up and ripped away from the framework of the OS, it will be a dud.

For now, and the conceivable furture, Firefox/Safari/Opera remain the viable options for secure web browsing.
_____/quote
Actually, I find IE incredibly secure as it is. SP2 WAS a big improvement. In fact, I didn't get any viruses or spyware pre-SP2, due to the steps I took to secure it. I use IE because Firefox does not conform to the Win32 GUI Defaults; to me, those defaults are just as important as web standards.

# Security?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:33 AM by Brion Vibber
Glad to hear users will finally be getting an update! Whatever some of us may think of IE personally, a lot of our users use it, and if improvements to IE make their use of our sites and applications better and more secure I'm very happy to see it happen.

The announcement mentions security as a strong focus; it would be great news if this means that IE will start respecting the Content-type header to help close some cross-site scripting and other attack vectors through misidentified file types. This was added for XP SP2 but disabled by default, leaving the vast majority of users on the vulnerable setting.

If that's not going to happen, we web developers could really use better documentation on the content-type autodetection to protect our users against maliciously created files which exploit the detection heuristics.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:35 AM by matt n
For the first time, last week, I made firefox part of the default disk images, and the default browser, for our company. If Win2k isn't supported by IE7, then it looks like Firefox won't be coming off the image for a long time.

I would much rather not have to deal with multiple browsers, but right now MS hasn't made it possible to do that with it's own product. But Firefox doesn't render some things as nicely as IE (OWA, in particular). So, we're stuck with 2 products, which together make a pretty good whole unit.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:35 AM by Ian
Please, please, please add Alpha PNG support to IE7. Us web developers are severely limited by IE's inability to properly render .png's. In my mind this issue is second only to security.

Additionally, proper CSS2 support would be very nice.

# re: IE7/ICC / spell check

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:37 AM by Claudio
...in terms of setting standards...we need a browser that can read images that are tagged with ICC profiles!...and of course intergrated spell chck,chk...check:)!!

# re: IE7/Why the Web Needs Color Management

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:39 AM by Claudio
Why the Web Needs Color Management

http://www.color.org/wpaper2.html

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:39 AM by NorthPole
First, all you IE7 fans have to thank mozilla.org for this gift from Redmont. There would be no standalone IE7 if Firefox was't available and popular.

Second, if Microsoft does not want to support older OS versions, it's their problem. As I do not plan upgrading to XP, I don't care about this vaporware. Not at all. Especially as I already moved to Mozilla camp.

Third, with a beta in summer dont't expect a final IE7 before Christmas. By the time Mozilla & Firefox will implement the rest of CSS3 (at least the parts published so far) and as lot of other goodies. Remember that Firefox is not a sitting duck but a moving target.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:40 AM by Brent Dax
I've betaed every version of IE since I grabbed IE 4 on a 14.4 modem, so of course I'll be getting the IE 7 beta when it comes out.

Don't bet on me using it as my primary browser, though. Previous versions only had to fight their predecessor for a place on my Quick Links bar, which was always easy. But this time, it'll have to beat Firefox in usability, tweakability, security, and standards compliance--all places where Firefox is currently killing IE.

Good luck, guys--I expect this will be an interesting battle.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:40 AM by Brian
Also wanted to stress STANDARDS COMPLIANCE, better css and dom support, PNG support, along with everyone else.

If the opportunity is missed yet again to finally properly implement these features properly, and to finally engineer a standards compliant browser, IE will officially be dead to me.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:40 AM by flarg
With IE 6 and WinXP SP2, if I print most webpages to an 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper, the right side of the webpage will almost always get cut off.

I can print these pages fine in Firefox.

Will IE7 fix these printing problems?

# IE7 Features...?

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:41 AM by Fred.cpp
I wonder If there is a Roadmap or a plann about the changes / Releases or something that let us know what's comming? I'm almost sure IE7 won't Include Tabbed browsing and maybe not IDN implementations, si, But what will It be? Full support for PNG? JPG2000?
I need to develop a site (Long Term development) and I would like to know what to spect for.
Thanks In advance

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:42 AM by Snuffkin
I think one thing can be said here; 'Microsoft, this is your last chance. Get it right. Please.'

I believe that you can do it.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:42 AM by WeBdEv
Maybe now my CSS and XHTML valid web page will display properly in some version of IE.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:43 AM by Joe
Is microsoft going to get into the infinte beta software world? As you wrote "We’re going to release a beta and listen, then refresh the beta and listen some more. We’ll ship when the product is ready..."
I'm starting to see Google (beta) this (beta) that and never get enything working production quality. Sounds like you guys are trying to imitate others which is odd considering your (MS) past history.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:43 AM by Jace
Too late... already switched to Firefox.

# PNG! PNG! PNG! PNG

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:44 AM by WebDeveloper
Please Microsoft. Add PNG support!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:45 AM by Aaron Simonds
Good to hear...

Just remember while working on v7 that its STANDARDS and CONSISTENCY that are important. I don't mean to pull out the soapbox here but if we are going to make any strides towards a semantic web we have all got to start playing on the same page. It won't happen if site designers consistently need to invent and deploy browser hacks to make things work.

Oh, since the ASP.Net team is planning to have xhtml 1.1 set as the default rendering you might want to consider having IE 7 support "application/xhtml+xml" without gaging and cleaning up the CSS implementation (borders on outside, (min|max)-(height|width)support, etc) before worrying about things like tabbed browsing and integrated RSS support.

I do honestly like you guys but sometimes I have to wonder how much of the grey in my beard is from dealing with my brother and how much is from dealing with quirky MS implementations :)

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:46 AM by bob
Microsoft should just fund FireFox development instead of spending more money on IE.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:46 AM by Fred.cpp
I forgot to say complete the support for css2 and all those thinks you already know (Including the Xforms W3C recomentation).
Best Regards.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:47 AM by Snuffkin
If that involves making Firefox a decent browser, sure. But since it isn't, I'd rather they crush it.

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Opposite of Sequitur
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= IE7, for realz? // Seth Thomas Rasmussen

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:47 PM by TrackBack

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= IE7, for realz? // Seth Thomas Rasmussen

# re: IE7 / still sucks

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:48 AM by Josh Renaud
If they're going to call it "IE 7" there better be more than just security upgrades. There better be new features, full support for PNG, CSS, and other technologies, and much more. Otherwise, it really is just IE6 SP3.

As for me, I'm eternally thankful I'm using Firefox on a Mac.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:49 AM by drinky
Good to hear that the stable door is going to be firmly closed in a few months time.

What horse?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:49 AM by Snuffkin
(My previous post was targeted @bob).

NorthPole, there is no need to repeat yourself.

# Freedreams » Inmenso Excremento 7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:49 PM by TrackBack
Freedreams » Inmenso Excremento 7

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:51 AM by rene
> I think of today’s announcement as a clear
> statement back to our customers: “Hey,
> Microsoft heard you. We’re committing.”

Hmm, I think you can beter formulate this sentence like: "Due to the unexpected, rapid, growth of alternative browsers, MS is forced to .."



# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:51 AM by grinstb
Please Please add tab browsing!

# Microsoft Caves, IE7 Coming to XP

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:52 PM by Randomize

# Hmmm

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:52 AM by Jon Hicks
Forgive my cynicism, but somehow I think this will just make my life as a web developer harder than easier. I'm truly fed up of making sites support the outdated, buggy IE - please take this opportunity to embrace standards as well as security issues.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:53 AM by Corporate Customer
Since it will not support W2k in our corporate environment we will continue our conversion of all computers to Firefox.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:54 AM by Ed
I'm a longtime Microsoft web developer who finally switched to Firefox for most of my browsing. Though it seems to spawn itself a little slower, and there's a couple of bugs that I found slightly annoying, the convenience of the browser won me over. I enjoy being able to resize text to any size, even if it is specified in pixels with CSS. Tabbed browsing makes managing intense browsing sessions so much easier. All kinds of cool developer add-ons make my life easier.
I still use IE for testing site appearances of course, and I have to use it for certain Microsoft/MSDN "IE only" only web applications. It's going to be hard to switch me back to IE as my default browser unless they lift wholesale all of the cool and convenient features of FireFox. If only IE7 had come a little earlier...

Yes, security may be the announced reason for this new release of IE, but I think Firefox is one of the major reasons...I suspect Microsoft is a little worried.

IE7 developers -- not sure how much motivation you have to do this, but if you do one thing, please make sure that IE7 can handle CSS/XHTML standards correctly. IE6 already does a fairly good job, but just make extra sure that IE7 implements standards correctly. (This is also your chance to fix the few things that are not handled yet by FireFox). That way if IE maintains it's domination over the browser market, fellow developers everywhere will be grateful and respectful to you! ;) If you can't get your managers to agree, maybe you can sneak it in! We developers have to maintain some sort of integrity besides what the managers and marketers say.

Thanks

# IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:54 PM by Everything Is In/Flux
IE7

So we're going to get an Internet Explorer version 7 this year (in beta). That should theoretically be good news but we'll see what features it will support. I doubt they're going to do any kind of tabbed browsing (which is what makes Firefox ...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:54 AM by Mutilated1
Good, because IE 6 really stinks. IE needs to be improved really badly.

# IE7 Beta - New Explorer coming in Summer

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:54 PM by Threadwatch.org
<p><img src="http://online.tu-graz.ac.at/prod/img/ie.gif" />So, it comes...</p>
<p>According to the <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx" class="bb-url" target="_blank">IE Blog</a> Internet Explorer 7 will be out for testing in

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:55 AM by will
This announcement is just lip service. It's a feeble attempt at damage control because IE has been slammed for legitimate reasons all over the press lately.

A beta release this summer? Give me a break. This is too little too late. The damage is done, the marketshare is being lost, and there is not a lot that an update targeted at XP SP2 exclusively will do to fix anything.

Yes, I wish I could be more optimistic about this, but MS's track record to this point has been anything but stellar. Optimism will have to be earned.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:55 AM by nextyxp
Yes this is excellent news.

# Can't wait!

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:57 AM by N.N. Thayer
A few preliminary words...

My experience with IE 6 since its release has been fine as paint - all I have to do is not browse like a moron and weird crud stays off my system. It has serviced me very well, and there has never been any chance of me switching to a second-rate browser with a tortoiselike development process. As long as IE remains the driving force in WWW capabilities and makes it easy for me to interact securely with a sometimes dangerous global network, I will stick with it.

That said, I look forward to IE 7. I expect the same take-my-breath-away innovation that Microsoft has repeatedly demonstrated over the years in the full breadth of its products. I won't pretend to know what's in store, because no matter what I guess, I will be pleasantly surprised. I always am.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:58 AM by Brian
My theory is that MS is downloading the source code for FireFox and slapping a big ol' lowercase E on it. Haha.

Seriously, MS never responds to anything unless they are desperately trying to keep market share...or gain it. Don't let Billy fool you. This is about market share, not security.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:58 AM by Randall Fitzgerald
In all honesty... I'm seriously disappointed that neither this blog entry, nor the press release put to paper any firm decisions. I've seen a lot of people whining about how their sites don't work in IE and this and that. Those people aren't good web developers, and coding a site that works in only one browser is bad no matter how you slice it.

IE has had plenty of time to get its crap together and hopefully they do it right with IE7. Beyond that, I do not see proprietary standards as such a problem because, first and foremost, IE is aimed at delivering the best end user experience, even if the code is non-standard. So, say some person didn't write perfect code. Do you want some garbled unreadable mess? Or do you want a managable web page? I've had to use and come up with tons of work arounds for both browsers, and the fact of the matter is that FireFox, while a decent piece of 1.0 software, is exactly that. It's 1.0, and I will contest that it does not deliver a better end user experience on a site coded by someone who has no idea what W3C-standards are.

All I really want, out of any browser, is a good end user experience. That, to me, means PNG alpha tranparency, full and proper CSS support, and a good end user experience.

Moreover, IE7 is long overdue, and I hope to all hell that if they plan to spend another three years with the same piece of software, that they will at least look far enough forward to cover possible forthcoming technologies.

# Support the Web, Support Standards

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:59 AM by none
Please include better support for CSS. And PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE support alpha PNGs... WHY is it that hard?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:01 PM by AOzzy
Firefox is still going to be better, one main reason. As more people use IE the more attackers will write code for IE, its that simple. Firefox is vulnerable and so is Mozilla

# Webfroot &raquo; Internet Explorer 7 on the horizon

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:01 PM by TrackBack
Webfroot &raquo; Internet Explorer 7 on the horizon

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:02 PM by Bladehawk
I'm sorry, but this announcement is useless. Microsoft has continued security enhancements and still haven't committed to any new features. I've switched to Firefox until MS gives me a good reason to switch back.

MS has a history of ignoring other systems; will I be able to import my Firefox bookmarks? Will I have tabbed browsing, even if the answer is "yes" Microsoft needs to come out with a faster more feature rich browser, bringing them up to par still won't be enough as most hackers target IE and any bugs will rapidly have exploits written to take advantage of them.

So while this is good marketing, it’s empty marketing until they tell us what they plan to add.

# Internet Explorer 7.0

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:02 PM by pixeladas aleatórias
Today at RSA, Bill Gates talked about Internet Explorer 7. As the guy responsible for IE, I wanted to say a couple of things about it.First, some basics: we’re committing to deliver a new version of Internet Explorer for Windows...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:03 PM by will
N.N. Thayer said:

"My experience with IE 6...has serviced me very well, and there has never been any chance of me switching to a second-rate browser with a tortoiselike development process. As long as IE remains the driving force in WWW capabilities and makes it easy for me to interact securely with a sometimes dangerous global network, I will stick with it."

You misunderstand - the development process becomes tortoise-like because of the IE bugs one must work around when using standard development techniques (CSS, XHTML, eg). Why code for other browsers using standard development techniques? Because with the popularity of other browser on the rise, it makes no sense to code for one browser, unless you *like* to pigeonhole yourself and potentially kill everything you have done. Thusly, developers get frustrated with IE for not playing well with others.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:03 PM by Gartner Research Affiliate
Sounds great! (sorry to hear it is only for XP)

So, BY DEFAULT, JScript, VBScript, and Active-X will be turned off!, correct?

Can't wait till it will be safe to use IE, at companies that won't allow software upgrades.

Best part is, all my DOM/ECMAScript/XUL Applications will work without changing a line of code! (or will they?)

Wow, who would have thought that IE would almost be able to catch up to Firefox.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:03 PM by Andrew
Please fix web standards (CSS, PNG, etc.) and remove IE from Windows. That would be a significant improvement.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:03 PM by Bruce Morgan [MSFT]
NOTE: the blog is running slowly right now and it may take a while for your post to show up.

Please avoid double posting - if it didn't error out when you posted, then trust that the post will (eventually) show up. Give it a while.

Thanks
Bruce

# The FUD Factor

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:04 PM by ***Dave Does the Blog
I like Firefox a lot, but I'll be the first to admit that some FF zealots sound a lot like -- well, Mac zealots, or sports team zealots, or TV...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:04 PM by mboverload
This is only good news because the dumb users who bother with IE will be more protected. Less business for me, but fixing computers after users screwed them up with IE is not something I like to do anyway.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:04 PM by Max
Webstandards please!...
CSS!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:05 PM by SecurityBugs
http://secunia.com/product/11/

Lovely isn't it? MS can't even fix the security bugs that still plagues IE.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:05 PM by Tev
I've been working on a standards-based conversion of a major retail site, and we have run into a number of IE anomalies, the most painful of which has been issues with the float attribute.

These two pages list most of the issues we encountered:
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/common.html

And of course, proper .png support would be cool, too.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:07 PM by MadCowDzz
I don't understand how everybody is demanding these features in IE7 when every other browser supports these features?

If Microsoft's idea of innovation is to rip off ideas already in practice for three years, why bother...

Every user demanding PNG support and Tabbed browsing should have already switched to a browser that *does* support it...

GodaiNoBaka, http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/02/15/373104.aspx#373230 has said it best with his third point...

BestBuy and other retailers which offer to beat the lowest price are simply followers in the retail market... don't support this kind of business and move to the companies that offer the best price fair and square...

IE7 is nothing but a follower... don't get your hopes up...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:08 PM by Vidar
Haha, this is actually quite ridiculous. Still no word on such a simple issue as PNG-alpha support (http://www.petitiononline.com/msiepng/petition.html).

/Vidar

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:08 PM by ChiKiBoY
I'm not thrilled on any kind about this news.. What Bill Gates will screw up this time? I'm sure this is not just an upgrade, it will probbably block other programs/companies that came up with these new ideas to monopolize browsing. Thank god for firefox!

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:09 PM by Phanboi of the Opera
Please license Presto from Opera. It is a lot faster and more compliant than Trident.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:09 PM by Brad Bice
The support for standards (most importantly CSS, PNG, XHTML) ranks right up there with security. Please take the time to do this right and don't release IE7 without proper standards compliance.

# IE7 will be soon here!

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:10 PM by STEFANO DEMILIANI WeBlog

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:13 PM by Chris
It would be very nice for MS to fix the inability to float elements over select drop-downs and to fix printer output positioning. These two bite me constantly as a IE-only developer.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:13 PM by FromSlashdot
(quote)Firefox is still going to be better, one main reason. As more people use IE the more attackers will write code for IE, its that simple. Firefox is vulnerable and so is Mozilla
(/quote)

It's not the sole factor that makes it an expected target, IE is the default browser on the most mainstream, user-friendly operating system. The least savvy users are there, not even knowing alternatives are available. They are those who are susceptible to answer "yes" to any question they are asked, and not notice something's going wrong afterwards.

Mozilla does and will have vulnerabilities, still I believe IE will be less secure as long as it does embed ActiveX.

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:13 PM by Vinnie
What about standards comliant to W3C.
Enough already with snubbing of other browsers and not allowing proper rendering... time to come on board if you wnat to start winning back some of the share that ahve been lsot to Opera and Mozilla et al.
It's getting a mess developing sites for multiple browsers.

# Internet Explorer 7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:14 PM by NetWizard's Blog
CNET is reporting from the RSA conference that there is going to be a new version of Internet Explorer out before Longhorn. Unfortunatly it will only run on Windows XP SP2 according to the article. The article also notes the...

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:14 PM by Andrew Hume
<em>"As long as IE remains the driving force in WWW capabilities and makes it easy for me to interact securely with a sometimes dangerous global network, I will stick with it."</em>

Huh? That's exactly what it doesn't do.

Driving force in WWW capabilities? Interact securely? Where have you been the last 5 years?

# re: IE7

Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:16 PM by Mastro