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Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

We posted recently an issue affecting XML rendering in IE after an installation of Netscape 8. Netscape has just released an updated version that addresses this issue and is available at http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/

Thanks to Netscape for making this update available so that this will no longer be an issue.

-Dave

Published Friday, June 17, 2005 6:41 PM by ieblog
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# Scratching Head

Friday, June 17, 2005 10:54 PM by Tom
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Wasn't the issue specific to Netscape following the MS reccomendations for third party applications using the IE engine?

Did it only affect one version of IE(6)?

Was it only applicable to a specific service pack level(SP2) of a specific Windows OS(XP)?

Isn't this problem less than a month old?

When was the last time IE developers addressed a non security related issue this quickly?

So when is that Beta again?

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Friday, June 17, 2005 11:10 PM by Chris
"WHEN YOU INSTALL NETSCAPE 8 YOU WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE PRODUCTS FROM THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS."

Eh, not interested in a browser like that. E for effort though...

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:28 AM by DMassy
Hi Tom,

I'm not really sure where your line of questioning is going.

Q. Wasn't the issue specific to Netscape following the MS reccomendations for third party applications using the IE engine?
A. I don't believe so

Q. Did it only affect one version of IE(6)?
A. No. Not that I am aware.

Q. Was it only applicable to a specific service pack level(SP2) of a specific Windows OS(XP)?
A. No. Not that I am aware.

Q. Isn't this problem less than a month old?
A. Yes, Netscape released version 8 about a month ago so the issue is clearly only a month old.

Q. When was the last time IE developers addressed a non security related issue this quickly?
A. I'm not sure what you are asking. The IE team works on issues on a constant basis if they affect any aspect of security or features.

Q. So when is that Beta again?
A. IE7 will be available in beta this summer.

Thanks
-Dave

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:29 AM by I'm back
I say many props for AOL and Netscape 8. Hopefully now we can have a three or four way browser war. FIREFOX, NETSCAPE, OPERA and IE. Finally some competition, and hoefully more innovation. Firefox is coming out with 1.1 soon with more great features. When's that IE Beta coming out again?

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Saturday, June 18, 2005 1:48 AM by Reeka Jean
Just curious if there is an actual month type of timeframe for the beta?

Saying "This summer" doesn't nessecarily work anymore, as it is by all accounts and purposes "summer". (We still have a few days before it is technically summer, but at least for people in the US, summer is definied by the days after Memorial Day and before Labor Day)

So, since it's already the middle of June, and "summer" is only 3 months long....

Next month? Next week? Late August?

I'm really excited about the new browser, and I can't wait to test out all the new features and such. So I'm just wondering if there is a more specific timefram that you could tell us about...?

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:39 PM by derek
!seineew era sreenigne epacsteN

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Saturday, June 18, 2005 4:46 PM by the firefox creater
YOU CAN'T BEAT US

HA HA HA HA

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Saturday, June 18, 2005 9:46 PM by JasonCox
--Begin Quote
YOU CAN'T BEAT US

HA HA HA HA
the firefox creater
--End Quote

Might want to add spellcheck into the next version then Mr. "Creater"

Ok, now that that's done, cant wait for IE7 Beta to begin guys! Will there be a private (aka Invite Only) beta before the public beta via beta.microsoft.com?

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM by Chris
Bahahaha, "creater"

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Sunday, June 19, 2005 7:53 AM by Zach
Must have been the same guy that worked on the original specs for the Referer stuff.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Sunday, June 19, 2005 3:00 PM by farce
And in other incompatibility news, Microsoft deliberately blocks users of recent Firefox builds even though they look fine if you set the UA to IE.

Please get a clue and start sniffing by browser capabilities rather than UA. Remember what happened last time?

I know $30m is chump change to you guys, but I bet you wouldn't like it if it ended up coming out of your bonus pot.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Monday, June 20, 2005 3:41 AM by .
Thanks guys,

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Popular.aspx?DisplayLang=en&categoryId=

"Sorry, we are unable to show you the page you requested. Please try again later."

Unable or unwilling?

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Monday, June 20, 2005 3:44 AM by aaa
Thanks guys,

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Popular.aspx?DisplayLang=en&categoryId=

"Sorry, we are unable to show you the page you requested. Please try again later."

Unable or unwilling?

# Arreglado Netscape 8

Monday, June 20, 2005 7:31 AM by Microsiervos
Al menos el bug detectado el mes pasado sobre que Netscape podía «romper» IExplorer parece que ha quedado solucionado por parte de Netscape: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering....

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Monday, June 20, 2005 9:28 AM by Fast Torrent Search
Here is the torrent download of the new fixed netscape
http://www.madtorrent.com/download.php/netscape.torrent

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Monday, June 20, 2005 3:56 PM by Will
<<And in other incompatibility news, Microsoft deliberately blocks users of recent Firefox builds even though they look fine if you set the UA to IE.>>

Please post URLs.

I'm able to see the Microsoft Downloads page referenced in these posts using Firefox just fine.

# On whether/where Microsoft is blocking Firefox

Monday, June 20, 2005 5:11 PM by Kelson
The Microsoft download page seems to be blocking recent trunk builds of Firefox or the 1.1 alpha. The alpha release is known by the code name for FF 1.1, Deer Park, to discourage non-technical people from downloading it until closer to the release. The UA string uses the standard Mozilla and Firefox scheme.

The released versions of Firefox 1.0.x get the normal Microsoft download page. The alpha versions, however, get a message saying "Sorry, we are unable to show you the page you requested. Please try again later." It's not the browser itself, because changing the UA string solves the problem. Someone narrowed it down to the version number for the Gecko engine. "rv:1.8b2" gets handed the error, but "rv:1.7.8" (as in the latest release of FF) gets the web page.

It appears to be just broken UA detection on www.microsoft.com.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Monday, June 20, 2005 5:40 PM by Will
Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. I suspect they mistakenly believed this rv: could always be casted from string to float, and when it can't it throws an exception.

I've seen sites make a mistake like this when I tested putting the "B" at the end of the IE7 UA posted on this site last month. ASPNET's HTTPBrowserCapabilities "Version" property cannot safely be casted from String->Float. Use MajorVersion+MinorVersion instead.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Monday, June 20, 2005 6:14 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
I've spoken to the folks over at MSCOM about the download page issue. They've found the root cause of the issue and they're working to resolve it.

Thanks for your patience.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 4:24 AM by Dave
Glad to see that the problem has been fixed on the website. I do believe that this was an accident (a very stupid one though) and there was no deliberate attempt to block other browsers.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:59 AM by carter
once again the MS haters and conspiracy theorists are out in force, what a laugh...

bring on the IE7 beta :D

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:05 PM by DaveP
It all begs the question though... Why try to detect the browser? All the page is doing is serving downloads, there's absolutley no reason to care which browser the user is using.

This is the type of thinking that gets web developers into trouble, and seems prevelant by those that primarily use microsoft tools.

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:14 PM by ie 4eva
y is justin roger's blog not listed on the links?
http://weblogs.asp.net/justin_rogers/

# re: Netscape 8 update for XML rendering

Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:10 AM by Opera is just as good
While we're at it - how about updating MSDN's UA (mis)detection routine so that it gives Opera 8 the page it asks for (and displays happily if the UA string includes a Mozilla 5 entry) rather than the junk it provides at present?

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