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Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

First let me introduce myself. My name is Uche Enuha and I am a recent college graduate hire to the Internet Explorer team. I am a Program Manager working on the User Experience team.
Now to the main point. There is a new feature in IE7 called ‘Delete Browsing History’ that gives users an easy way to control the data stored by the browser.I am going to answer the three main questions that I think are going through your heads right now, I’ll let you meditate on the information and allow the excitement to naturally evolve.

Why would I use this feature?
I am glad you asked this question. Let’s look at an example of how this feature can be used. So you’re trying to buy a gift for your loved one and you know how important it is to keep this mission secret. You’re aware of every site you visit but your machine is aware of even more; the stuff you type, the information you read, even the cookies requested by the site where you eventually buy the gift. You realize how important it is that your loved one never gets hold of any of this information. So you do what we all would, you try and cover your tracks. Now back in IE6, you would have to spend a lot of time looking through various places on your computer to get rid of all the relevant information and possibly still miss some critical information. Now with the ‘Delete Browsing History’ feature, we are giving every person the ability to clear all their browsing information from one location with a click of a button and, the peace of mind that the job was done right.

What does this feature really do?
It deletes the following items which are split into five categories, listed below:

  • Temporary Internet Files: Downloaded files cached on the client for quick access
    • Temporary Internet Files cached for quick access
    • Cached files containing Offline favorites
    • Information stored by other applications in the Temporary Internet Files folder (e.g. attachment files stored by Outlook)
  • Cookies: Information persisted by the client on behalf of the server
    • Cookies
    • XML Userdata cache
  • History: website addresses (URLs) stored to enable History/most recently used website addresses
    • Typed website addresses used for Addressbar Autocomplete
    • The list of most recently used website addresses in the Run… dialog
    • URL History entries (excluding ones marked as Offline Favorites)
    • Stored value for Encoding (Code Page)
  • Form Data: User-entered personal data stored by the client
    • AutoComplete form data
  • Passwords: User-entered personal data stored by the client
    • AutoComplete password data

(Please note, if you’re part of a domain in a corporate environment, an administrator has the ability to disable certain aspects of this feature.)

The User Interface for this feature provides information about what exactly these types of information are and gives the user the ability to individually delete each type of information or delete all information at once. Here’s what the main dialog looks like:

Delete Browsing History dialog

As an added bonus, if cleaning up is taking a while, a cancellable progress dialog is shown. You can ignore the dialog and go back to the browser (or even close it) – the process will continue in the background until it’s done. No more sitting around waiting for your 200MB cache to be emptied!

Where can we find this great feature?
Just go to the Tools menu and you’ll see ‘Delete Browsing History…’. Or whilst you’re in the internet options dialog, you can find this feature under the General tab in the Browsing history section cleverly disguised as the ‘Delete…’ button.

So there you have it. ‘Delete Browsing History…’ will be coming to a computer near you very shortly. Use it and enjoy it. Think of it as your friend that has your back and covers your tracks.

-Uche

Published Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:17 PM by ieblog

Comments

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:38 PM by Bjørn Nielsen
Why don't you make it a checklist? If I want to delete everything but the cookies, it would still be many clicks to do.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:42 PM by Garrett
Exactly, I almost never want to clear all of those items at once, sometimes just the history and cache, not cookies and etc. There should be options, a checklist, etc.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:43 PM by geoff.appleby
Can it be done a per-site basis? I don't want my entire cache cleared, just those that pertain to the porn^H^H^H^Hgift site I was visiting.

Being able to remove all evidence of visiting http://www.ilovelinux.com would be very handy.

:)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:46 PM by alex
This is great! :) Thanks a lot. This page always helps me with something (one of the reasons I still use IE...)
<a href="http://r2000.blogspot.com">R2K</a>

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:49 PM by Nick Davis
Better yet, allow me to set a menu item that will prevent the capture of this information in the first place. The behaviour would be:

1) I need to *ahem*, buy a gift for my loved one :)

2) I click on the menu "Prevent IE from Collecting History"

3) I, um, finish buying the gift.

4) I uncheck the box.

I *hate* clearing my history, because lots of history is useful. What's that new supplier's site I went to last week and forgot to bookmark, etc. I hate losing all that info, just to cover up the fact that I, ahem, bought a gift for a loved one.

Selective history. That's what we need. Or a way to selectively delete browsing history after the fact. I mean, we're only over 10 years into this whole web browser thing, and we have basically the same feature since v1.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:50 PM by jsminch
I agree with geoff. It would be great to be able to permanently exclude some cookies from the erasure list (my.yahoo, amazon, blogger, etc.), some cookes do serve a valuable purpose, after all. It would also be kewl to be able to block cookies on a site-by-site basis (adsomething, tracksomething, etc.) or even be able to import a list (like an email filter list) of blocked cookies.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:12 PM by Ron
Well it's about time you finally posted something new in this blog, so thanks for that. I'm glad this sort of "new" functionality is being made available for IE7, but there's just a couple of things I'm concerned about.

First of all it's not new, don't make it sound like this is some revolutionary new feature you've invented and IE7 will be the first browser to incorporate it. I've been using this sort of functionality in other browsers for a long time.

Also why on earth did you call it "Clear Browsing History"? If there's one way to confuse users with this feature then you're on the right track. Seriously, people are going to think they're only deleting their... history, also known as the last pages they visited.

Here's a suggestion, how about calling it "Clear Private Data", or "Clear Saved Data", or "Clear Stored Data", or even "Clear My Tracks"?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:18 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
<<It would also be kewl to be able to block cookies on a site-by-site basis (adsomething, tracksomething, etc.) or even be able to import a list (like an email filter list) of blocked cookies.>>

IE6 and above already offer this feature, although I agree that it's a bit tricky to use.
This feature is documented here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/security/privacy/customimportxml/customimportxml.asp

This feature allows you to block cookies, downgrade permanent cookies to session cookies, et. cetera.

-Eric

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:18 PM by PatriotB
I'm glad to hear that the problem with the UI becoming unresponsive has been fixed. How about the issue of "gunk" left over in side of the Temporary Internet Files folder? Even after I use "Delete Files", my TIF folder still is over 100 MB, and contains lots of "orphaned" files that will never be deleted. I have to go to a command prompt and manually go through all the folders and delete the cruft. Has this been taken care of?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:21 PM by Mystere
Ron has a point, though I don't think Clear Browsing History is that unclear. Also, will this REALLY clear the history? Today, in IE, when you clear history, there are still telltale tracks left in various index files and such. Will this REALLY clear the data from the machine, or will it just clear some of it?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:26 PM by search-engines-web
This is a good idea - the only two things that have been added that can't be done now is
Forms Data
Passwords

But under Internet Options in the current IE6 you can- however - delete the first three - and usually when the Cookies are deleted the passwords are too.

One question - when the Temporary Internet Files are Deleted - are they REALLY Deleted Permanently and can never be recovered?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:26 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
<<How about the issue of "gunk" left over in side of the Temporary Internet Files folder? >>

PatriotB: Yup, this should be removed as well. (This is what was meant by "Information stored by other applications in the Temporary Internet Files folder (e.g. attachment files stored by Outlook)")

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:28 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
<<Also, will this REALLY clear the history? Today, in IE, when you clear history, there are still telltale tracks left in various index files and such.>>

If you can find this data in any index files, we want to hear about it. We worked to specifically address that issue.

Do note that these are generally file-deletions and not cryptographically secure drive wipes. If your loved one happens to work for the NSA, you'll want to wipe the freespace on your drive using

cipher /w:C:

after running the Delete Browsing History feature.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:30 PM by Joal
Doesn't firefox offer this already...? Someone had to mention that other browser, right ;)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:34 PM by Adam.
Love this question you have to ask yourself in the blog.

"Why would I use this feature?"

We already do in other browsers. More delay, and more fluff in getting your product out.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:50 PM by PatriotB
"This is a good idea - the only two things that have been added that can't be done now is
Forms Data
Passwords"

You can delete these in IE6 by going Tools > Options > Content > AutoComplete. It is nice that IE7 will bring all these things together.

EricLaw: To experiment, I just did a clear of my cache (I'm using IE6) to see what's left behind. After deleting, my Content.IE5 folder is 52.3 MB, 1633 files. Most don't appear to fall into the "Outlook attachment"-type category. Here's a rundown:
- Lots of 0-byte files that are named [1], [2], [3], etc.
- A bunch of wbkXXX.tmp files
- Lots of variously-named files that contain the contents of res://shdoclc.dll/http_404.htm
- Files that came from ordinary web surfing

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:58 PM by Champ Bennett
<blockquote>1) I need to *ahem*, buy a gift for my loved one :)

2) I click on the menu "Prevent IE from Collecting History"

3) I, um, finish buying the gift.

4) I uncheck the box. </blockquote>

I have to agree with Nick's post.

Safari implimented this feature and called it "Private Browsing" mode. It's really quite simple to use, despite that fact that it's a little bit unlear as to which windows/tabs will be in private browse mode. I still think that it's important to have the Browse History window pane, but it would be great if you could offer switch on/off model as well.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:15 PM by Mark Reeder
Looking forward to this actually doing what it should have done all along by deleting the index.dat files. Besides the privacy concerns there are drive space issues as well: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=322916

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:16 PM by Dono
Thank you. I am really looking forward to this. IE6 did a terrible job at this and left many traces of private data. That was one of my main reasons for giving up on IE and adopting Firefox. Because of this "improvement", I'll give IE7 another chance. Hopefully it'll do a much better job than before at clearing _all_ of the private data. I got tired of doing it manually multiple times every day.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:18 PM by geoff.appleby
Another possible variation that would be cool, (if we are only left with blanket options to remove all or none) is give us an option to say 'don't delete anything that pertains to sites in my trusted sites list'.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:26 PM by Roland
Great feature!

However, I see a problem with the mapping of the "Delete All" button. It's located where the OK button normally is. Users might not read the button caption and click it based just on spatial memory ("ah, OK").

This could be a problem if users just want to delete specific items, such as Cookies, and then inadvertently click the "Delete All" button instead of the Close button because they think it's the "OK" button.

--> Having two buttons in the lower right corner of a dialog box implies "OK" and "Cancel".

This dialog box should not violate this standard. In this case, it's especially important because users might delete items by mistake that they still want to keep.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:46 PM by Dave
Now to actually be one step ahead of Firefox, you really do need the 'Clear my tracks since I started IE' option, or since IE is so core to the OS and that might be like guessing when it will ship, perhaps since a time.

That way you can remove just the Gift purchase tracks, not everything else which you probably really want to keep.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:52 PM by Ron
I agree with Roland, if I saw a close button next to another button I would instinctively click the button that doesn't say Close, because when you make a change to something and you want to keep it you don't hit close/cancel. Even though the changes are immediate, having a button to the left of Close would imply the other button means OK.

Then again maybe it would be better if we could test this, like now... soon, maybe?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:56 PM by Devon
I wish I could right click on url's in the address bar and have the option to delete them. Some are one time things or things I don't want kept in there for various reasons. It's a pain to have to delete them all and resave them all. I know that I could just save 'em to my favorites, but what's the sense of favoriting them when I can just grab 'em from the address bar. It's far more convenient for my 5-10 most visited sites.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:09 PM by Wonko
"Better yet, allow me to set a menu item that will prevent the capture of this information in the first place. The behaviour would be:

1) I need to *ahem*, buy a gift for my loved one :)

2) I click on the menu "Prevent IE from Collecting History"

3) I, um, finish buying the gift.

4) I uncheck the box."

Apple's Safari can do that.
;-)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:26 PM by Adrian
Will this clear the index.dat file (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index.dat) or it's equivalent?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:08 PM by concerned consumer.
Here's what you have accomplished so far Microsoft. I mean let's face it your no longer the pioneers in this field anymore and the "unveiling" of these already "key features" have been already said and done. And today's post is just another example of yesterdays capabilities in other products.

1. Increased fear of foreigners. Farmer john is going to be browsing for religion and happen upon a muslim site in arabic and his url is going to light up "red" and he is just going to fear and hate them more. I mean it's bad enough in punycode (i.e. xn-sdfklj) but you had to push him one step further.

2. The realization that your innovations are just plain and simple "code cut and paste" I mean are we going to have to wait another few weeks for the next bit of great news of another "great feature" that is already standard on most browsers?

3. I guess time will tell, but your already down in the count. How about we see the browser already.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:12 PM by Chris
Forgive my ignorance, but I still can't understand how deleting even 200mb of cached items can take that long, let alone 100mb.

Sometimes it's just painful to have IE sit there while you're deleting the cache via the dialogue. I can just as easily have a shortcut to the folder, hit CTRL+A, DEL and hit enter and have all of the files deleted almost instantly.

Why does it take that long to delete?

BTW, I'm very happy that this feature is available in the next version. I clear my cache quite frequently while developing to this is going to help a lot.

Keep up the great work! I can't wait to see this all done and released!

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:28 PM by Jack
how about adding "Delete Browsing History" on the IE icon when right clicking it and automatically delete all information at once.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 1:08 AM by PetKnep [MSFT]
Re: concerned consumer

1. Well, we must really be improving if all you have to complain about is that the punycode IDN security feature is somehow going to turn one race against another. The red address bar should only appear at phishing sites.

2. Try shipping "code cut and paste" to millions of people and see how well it works. The features not only have to be written, but our test team has to verify they work properly and do not effect app compat.

3. I'm not sure what the first sentence is trying to get across. There are CTPs released and reviews on CNet and other sites.

Thanks for your comments though.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 1:56 AM by Sean
As it has already been pointed out this is a new feature for IE, but hardly new and not really all that of an impressive implementation of said feature. I'm glad IE will finally get a better utility to delete browsing history and browser stored information, but in its current form this feature hardly requires a blog entry and is more akin to a line item in a features list.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad MS is finally taking steps to mature their browser in the face of competition, but shouldn't this have been one of the first features talked about and added to IE 7 months and months ago? And to top it off this just seems like an after thought or a keeping up with the joneses way of adding this feature to IE with hardly any added benefit over what is currently included with modern browsers. I would love to see MS not only add what is already available in Firefox and Safari (not even really up to par with those two apps yet), but swing for the fences.

Keep up the hard work and please keep us informed on IE's progress.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 2:17 AM by SantosJ
Well, this would have been really nice 4 years ago when I was into the whole online porn thing. Would have saved countless hours manually deleting everything.

The good thing is that Microsoft will save untold numbers of relationships through the mechenism of lies and the unknown known.

And everyone told me Microsoft was evil... well, saving marriages makes them pretty damn holy if you ask me.

*Secretly wishes he knew where this feature was in Firefox. Not that he looked or cared.

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I think the reason why it takes so long is that it has to make sure what it is deleting is actually temporary for IE and not some random crap. In my experience (which isn't saying much), there have been some folders and Internet files owned by other software programs, that either by poor programming or R&D, they thought that using the Temporary Internet Folder was a good idea. Most modern software programs (that cost money), don't do that and use the Windows Home folder equivalent thing, whatever.

Which, it would be nice to figure out to move that out of the primary Disk Partition on to its own drive. Although, I'm sure a little bit of research would solve that problem... again, if I cared. Lossing all my stuff doesn't really bother me.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 2:37 AM by Chris
@geoff: Just my thought ;-)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:14 AM by Jth
Now all we need is an "Auction tracker", and "a saved website"-feature, like in Apple's Internet Explorer

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:46 AM by Kae Verens
SantosJ, try Pornzilla - it probably has this feature (I wouldn't know, as I don't bother keeping my porn-hunting secret :-) - I /am/ human, after all).

As a web developer, one thing I have always wanted in browsers is a simple "clear cache" button, which allows me to reload a website including any changed CSS or JavaScript files. In Firefox, I get that by adding the "WebDev" toolbar, then it's a three-click "Miscellaneous -> Clear Cache -> OK" routine before I reload the page.

In IE, it's a massive six-click "Tools -> Internet Options -> Delete Files... -> Delete All Offline Content -> Ok -> Ok" before the reload.

If this could be improved, I'm sure that would please a load of developers.

Even just remembering the state of the "Delete Offline Content" would shave two clicks off it.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:04 AM by Mike Weller
Feature request: "Delete history for **this session only**" ?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:57 AM by Mike_J
It is very useful to create a filter, such as always keep yahoo, amazon cookies.
On the status bar, has an indicator, whether cookie or history is recorded, and click it the delete dialog will popup. Right click it, categoried delete menu will popup.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 5:01 AM by James
"I have always wanted in browsers is a simple "clear cache" button, which allows me to reload a website including any changed CSS or JavaScript files."

---------------------------------

I might be wrong but doesn't Ctrl + F5 do this?

James

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 5:03 AM by Steve
Am I the only one who has noticed a typo in the screenshot?

*cough*cough* History

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 5:39 AM by David Naylor
Steven, I don't see any typo...

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 6:41 AM by John C. Kirk
First up, I think this could be a useful feature, particularly for situations where you're selling a PC and want to take a "scorched earth" approach to covering your tracks. Personally I tend to be more selective (and I use separate profiles for privacy), but I'm not a typical user, so that's not an issue.

As some advice though, I do echo Roland's concern about the "Delete All" being in the same place as the "OK" button. When I was at my last job, the boss called me over to ask how he could empty out his cache to free up some space on his hard drive. So, I showed him how to do that, and also explained the other options while I was there. When it came to the "Clear Passwords" option, I started to say "If you click that button it will delete all your saved passwords, so you probably don't want to do that" but I only got as far as "If you click that button" before he clicked it. He was then rather annoyed with me, since he couldn't remember the passwords to all the websites he used, so I've been careful to phrase things differently ever since ("Don't click on that button for now, because...").

If people do choose to delete passwords (directly or indirectly), I think it would help to change the wording on the confirmation dialog. So, rather than just repeating the original question ("Delete form passwords?"), say something like "Are you sure that you can remember all the passwords you'll need?"

And Steve, I don't see any typos in the screenshot - either one of us is going blind, or they've corrected it already...

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 7:04 AM by wafn
"visted"?

Also, much of the "descriptive" text is pretty terse. It looks like it was written by a developer, rather than by somebody keen on making a useful and intuitive user interface. To all dialog window writers: articles are your friend.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 7:13 AM by Lanza
Joal > Yes Firefox does this since 1.5. And the UI for this feature is better in FF IMHO.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:27 AM by Viktor
@ IE developers

I am currently developing a small CLI tool for deleting user traces. I seek advice on how to programmatically delete IE's AutoForm data. Since this data is stored under HKCU/Protected Storage System Provider it is difficult for me to get access to it. (ok, that's probably intentional).

Is there any official way for ISVs to access the Windows Protected Storage System or does/will IE expose some APIs to clean that data?

Another recent question which I would like to ask the IE developers is how to create an IE instance in a separate process and automate it afterwards. CoCreateInstance is a very nice thing but it reuses existing IE processes for launching new instances. Is there any way to force CoCreateInstance spawning a new process each time it is called?

I am asking these questions here because I have not found adequate answers on the Web.

Thanks

Viktor

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 9:21 AM by Ian Boyd
i think there are two features that need to be here. One is the uber version of "Delete Temporary Files", which has those 47 buttons.

The other feature i want is "Privacy Mode" that prevents ie from storing anything until i turn it off.

i agree with above comments. Clearing my history, and passwords is a pretty destructive operation, which is quite overkill just to hide the fact that i spent the last 5 minutes at a gift site.

In fact, the fact that my history, cache, address-bar dropdown quick lists etc are all empty is evidence enough that i was doing something i didn't want people to see.

If someone sees that your XP start menu quick list is empty is evidence enough that you were trying to hide something.

# IE7 tabbed browsing questions

Friday, January 13, 2006 9:39 AM by Dale S. (IBM)
Apologies if this posts under the 'clear my tracks' posting, but couldn't find how to start a new thread.

Is there a way to tell IE7 to open a link (from an external source, such as an email) in a new tab of an existing window, rather than opening in a new window? ..such as a command-line switch to iexplore.exe, or a setting change?

If not, this would be a much desired feature. It would be nice to keep all links opened from a particular source (such as from your email app) in the same window, but in new tabs for each link clicked.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 10:03 AM by Serious Sam
New blog entry, yay. There are just a few quick points that I would like to make. Firstly, I would to expand very slightly on the custamisation feature that has been asked for with the 'delete all' option at the bottom(which I definetly agree there should be - let the people choose exactly what info is removed when they hit that button). This allowing people to set when IE 7 does it for you automatically. It would be nice if you could choose from options like automatically delete all history'..... 'upon start up', 'upon shut down', or after x number of days.
Equally the 'private browsing' option that has been suggested would be nice, so you can stop IE 7 storing any of the info mentioned for that session, regardless of your whatever your regular setting are. This I feel could be implimented in a very simple, user-friendly way, eg. in much the same way as the current 'work offline' function is implimeted today, simply as a tickable option in one of the drop down menus, but this would odviously stay ticked all through your browsing session.
Any other comments would simply continue to echoe what has already been said by others, so far. With that in mind, I'd just like to say that you have a good new feature here, which has the potential to be even better with some additional work.
Just keep following this blog, as there seem to be a lot of good feedback coming through from it.

Thanks.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 10:27 AM by Joe W.
Nick Davis's feature request would be a great addition. He's right that browsing history is useful and you don't want to erase the whole thing just to get rid of a few sites.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 10:33 AM by Sanchetz
Learn from Firefox.

1.) User should be able to ensure some cookies are not deleted (e.g. Company Web App, Digg, Google) when deleting cookies.

2.) User should be able (via checklist (that remembers!)) what to clear.

3.) User should be able to invoke this with one click / key combo.

PS the "gift" metaphor was quite funny. I think you would be much better off, using a real example.
"job posting site", "porn", "slashdot @ work", "*linux*", "*hack*", "financial sites", "administrative access logins", "sports, fun, games @ work"

On the plus side, making this a seperate thread (the cache deletion) was long overdue, and a much appreciated addition.

Oh, and clearing the address bar, should be a separate option, from the other parts of history (or displayed as a tree, so that user can select individual history items to remove)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 10:38 AM by visted
Dialog TYPO:
i never VISTED any websites, ever!
^^^^^^

Gordon

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 10:48 AM by concerned consumer.
"reviews on CNet and other sites." PetKnep [MSFT]

"Given all the expectations, we wanted more within IE 7 for XP, but Microsoft has given us less." Cnet link http://reviews.cnet.com/Microsoft_Internet_Explorer_7_Beta/4505-3514_7-31454661.html?autoplay=true

Are you not embarrassed? Or are you so diluted with your billions that you can't see the forest for the trees? Everyone, except the butt kissers here, are throwing rocks at you, and they only are because you are giving them the ammunition.

These features aren't new! These features are not revolutionary! There is nothing on this program that isn't a copy from something else. And yet you still are holding onto it and touting it as if you have made gold from thin air.

Two weeks from now you will make a blog on your "site preview" option , it's your answer to the whole tabbed browsing thing, it really is a redundant feature because tabbed browsing is what everyone wants. The only place this would be useful is dial-up. Broadband is the staple of the future and it is of no time to load ten pages in tabbed browsing.

More diluted thinking and muttled though. Reading through these replies is excruiating, wake up people this is yesterdays technology and they need to be told it.

Nothing new. Nothing new.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 11:04 AM by Ruben Arakelyan
Although I can see the similarities with Firefox's new "Clear Private Data" tool, I still commend theteam for bringing this tool to IE.

There is a typo in the history section, but I'm sure this will be fixed before IE 7 is shipped.

As for the IE gunk, I agree that IE's file and history cleaning tools never actually delete all files. There are always randomly named folders full of copies of websites and images, as well as large downloads, audio and videos. There are also index.dat files that cannot be deleted. Will these be cleared by the new tool?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 11:46 AM by Philipp Kohn
Hi IETeam,

this feature is clearly needed.
You won´t get much credit for this because it´s mandatory.

But why in the world you don´t include a DoD-wiping process?

For an ITPro it´s easy to restore deleted Data.
And sometimes when i want real privacy the best way would to remove the harddrive and put it in the fireplace. That can´t be..

So what´s with wiping and what about the indexing files where are there tracks stored too?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 11:48 AM by Alex
"Why don't you make it a checklist? If I want to delete everything but the cookies, it would still be many clicks to do."

i also want to delete everything except cookies. firefox has this feature and if i'm gonna switch ie7 needs to have this feature

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:17 PM by Will
Indeed it does Alex.

And what about automatic cleaning?

That is I do not want it to ask everytime I clean and I want to do it automaticly every time I clear my browser. And of course it remembers my settings. GOD, I hope so?

Thanks,

Will

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:30 PM by Brian Duperrouzel

I think this is a very valuable feature and look forward to using it!

While we are on the topic of history, I have mocked up a different history usage model for IE. The URL is http://www.slickscreen.com , it displays history much like your Tivo.

IMHO, I think it is more valuable to see "the past" like you actually saw it (and not just links to pages that can have different content). Not saying that the latter isn't valuable, but both models are valuable imo!

IE Team: Please consider putting this record/playback functionality into IE (before Google or Firefox does it and it is called "innovative") I don't remember anyone calling NetCaptor innovative for developing "tabbed browsing" 7 years ago :)

Keep up the good work!

Brian Duperrouzel

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:32 PM by ryugyong
Wow, It's amazing, but not surprising, to see a bunch o people so completely out of touch with reality. Clue for the IE team, you guys are MS's right fielders - you know, the guys that were picked last and put in a position where it was expected that the ball would never be hit to them. MS has to have an IE, to save face, but nobody on earth, except (maybe) you guys, believes it is a product that matters anymore.

This will be good experience for you guys (who apparently go straight from college to PM) for when you go on to jobs that actually mean something, but you might want to leave this off your resumes. Definitely don't mention your blogoganda articles for this site.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:46 PM by Will
<<There are always randomly named folders full of copies of websites and images, as well as large downloads, audio and videos. There are also index.dat files that cannot be deleted. Will these be cleared by the new tool?>>

They've already said yes, read the comments.

As to the question about why they don't do a secure DoD wipe: What exactly are you doing with your computer? Your IT department can already see your traffic, and if the NSA wants your machine, they're going to get it another way. And mentioned above, you can DoD wipe freespace using a single command (cipher.exe).

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 12:49 PM by Whoa
>"This will be good experience for you guys (who apparently go straight from college to PM) for when you go on to jobs that actually mean something, but you might want to leave this off your resumes. Definitely don't mention your blogoganda articles for this site."

Get a life.

One of the two of the Firefox architects designed that browser while he was still in college, so why make such inane comments.

PM is a role at Microsoft, and doesn't mean you're manager of people or anything. See their Jobs page.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 1:26 PM by concerned consumer.
"There has been some confusion in the press and blogs regarding whether the next beta will be Q1 or Q2. We just want to confirm that we are aiming for __X__. "

Agreed. Enough with this softball Q/A.

When will the damn thing be released? It's high time this finally got answered.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 1:52 PM by Will
> No offense to you Uche, but why is the team sending the noob to blog.

Why not? Do you think it takes a seasoned vet to write a blog post? Or just that graduates should toil in obscurity until they "put in their time?"

Tough crowd.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 2:02 PM by Adam
Dude did you even read his blog?

Example:
"Why would I use this feature?
I am glad you asked this question. Let’s look at an example of how this feature can be used."

No Crap? Really? I'm sorry but after waiting three weeks for some good information and we get this condesending spiel, like no one knows what it is.

What did they expect.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 2:10 PM by John A. Bilicki III
Well that is an ok feature; easy to understand why it doesn't have checks. A menu editor that allows users to add and remove the items they wish to clear on a regular basis would be much better suited for the job (like customize toolbar for Windows Explorer). The user should also be made aware that there are X number of option menus not being displayed (on their regular basis menu they are viewing) that can be edited back in to the regular menu via the menu editor. Another method would be to simply a lock could be added to keep menu items locked from having their content removed.

The delete all button should close this window with a temporary prompt created in the foreground that disables the main window while showing the user some nifty animation of ones and zeroes being sucked in to some black hole and then being spit back out as polar radiation (or text that says please wait would work too). The close button should simply be changed to cancel, otherwise you will confuse a lot of people (understatement).

How about an easy way to edit the host file from C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\? Pain in the butt to not be able to use my local IP to test things out without having to dig for this file occasionally.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 2:42 PM by Michael Janisch
There should at least be a way to automatically clean my private data when I close the browser window

# Click on Delete Cookie...

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:37 PM by Brett Merkey
So, according to the recent college graduate, when a person clicks on "Delete Cookie" they are also deleting the userdata store?!

Many enterprise internal apps depend on the userdata store and the fact that it can retain much more domain data than cookies. Now, the Microsoft Client Experience people are going to make it easy for an innocent --and apparently unrelated-- user action to accomplish far more than the user suspected.

Certainly nothing in the proposed dialog above gives them any warning whatsoever. Why put this devious feature under Delete Cookies anyway? Userdata stores are most often part of form entries.

At least give the user some warning as you make it easier for them to shoot themselves in the foot and lose work.



# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:46 PM by monkey boy
Congrats on the Microsoft hire Uche. Watch out for Steve Ballmer though. If you try to get a job with one of the many better companies out there, he'll throw a chair at you and threaten to kill the competition.

Just beware at all times.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 3:57 PM by Jeff Schiller
Thank you, please continue to copy sensible features from Firefox and Opera since this makes things better for your users - these features just make sense after all. One suggestion, use the ctrl+shift+del shortcut for this dialog box that Firefox uses.

Now when are you planning to implement SVG support? IE8?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:19 PM by Itching to get word from an MSFT employee
All good, copying the features that are standard in other browsers, but;

Where's the Adblock feature in IE7?

It's been a year or so now, that we've all surfed the Internet without ads, so I'm guessing that switching to IE, will require this feature.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:21 PM by Patience wearing thin
"Do you think it takes a seasoned vet to write a blog post?"

I want hear straight from the horse's mouth.


"Tough crowd."

Demanding customers, demand better products.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:38 PM by *
"It's been a year or so now, that we've all surfed the Internet without ads, so I'm guessing that switching to IE, will require this feature."

Yes, and they will probably try to act like they invented it as well.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 4:52 PM by Justin McDowell
With the addition of this feature, I'm seeing IE7 becoming a *useable* browser.

But Firefox is a *great* browser, so you've still got a lot of work to do.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 5:12 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
<<I want hear straight from the horse's mouth.>>

In case you're curious, that's why Uche wrote this blog posting-- she worked on this feature. While we could have had someone else write it, I think you'd agree that it makes sense to have the feature owner write about it.

<<Where's the Adblock feature in IE7?>>

There are assorted plugins to IE that can offer adblocking features. See http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctId=63&userText=internet+explorer&all=1 for lots of IE plugins.

A plugin set I wrote (see http://www.bayden.com/ietoys/) offers the ability to "clean up" a page for reading in one click.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 5:53 PM by Shredderx1
Where is the inovation in IE7? It's just a Microsoft version of Firefox. Can you say RIP OFF!

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 5:59 PM by Ruben Arakelyan
> They've already said yes, read the comments.
As far as I can see, they have only commented on removing files left behind by applications other than IE after clicking "Delete". If you see otherwise, point it out.

> No offense to you Uche, but why is the team sending the noob to blog.
The number of people that come here for the sole purpose of slagging off MS or its employees (be they new ones or seasoned) is just amazing. I don't see a problem at all with a new recruit blogging as long as she knows what she's talking about, which she obviously does.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 6:01 PM by codemastr
I would have to agree that the GUI is rather ugly (as someone about to graduate from college myself, it seems that GUI design is an area that many schools overlook). I agree that checkboxes seem more logical, after all, isn't that how most of the 3rd party tools that have this feature do it? Why not keep with their style for consistency?

I also think the fine-tuned controls that people are requesting are a good idea. Personally, I want to keep my cookies. However, I would like to delete all the "ad tracking" cookies that tend to come from 3-4 specific companies. So it would be nice to be able to only delete the ones I want rather than an all/nothing type of deal. The same really goes for everything, I may want to delete my form information for a particular site, for example, I remember one site where IE stored my Social Security Number which I wanted to delete, but I did not want to delete my form info from every other website.

Out of curiosity, why doesn't MS post these things before hand? Hopefully you'll heed some of these suggestions, and if you do, wouldn't it have been easier to add them during the planning/design phases rather than now, when you have to go back and rewrite code?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 6:17 PM by exasperated
"I think you'd agree that it makes sense to have the feature owner write about it."

Why do I suspect that she was given a set of requirements prepared by someone else, with only limited design leeway?

Why not a post with an overall status from the real project manager, whoever that is these days. The person who Mr. Balmer holds accountable.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 6:26 PM by Will
>As far as I can see, they have only commented on removing files left behind by applications other than IE after clicking "Delete". If you see otherwise, point it out.<

Above EricLaw[MSFT] said: "If you can find this data in any index files, we want to hear about it. We worked to specifically address that issue."

So it stands to reason that the Index files and other files will be cleared.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 6:32 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
<<Why do I suspect that she was given a set of requirements prepared by someone else, with only limited design leeway?>>

I don't know, why do you suspect that?

So called "individual contributor" PMs have remarkable freedom in our designs. Of course there are always tradeoffs and constraints, as in any product (software or not).

As for where the buck stops for all of IE, read these:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2004/08/13/214403.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2004/08/17/216075.aspx

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 8:39 PM by Peter
Thank you for this helpful feature!

However, I hope that a technical writer will correct the texts in the dialog box even before beta.
According to the Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications [2004]:
- it's not "webpage", but "Web page"
- it's not "website", but "Web site"
- Button texts use title caps (for example, "Delete Files" instead of "Delete files")
- Frame titles use title caps
- Button texts are only followed by ... if supplying further information is required after clicking the button. If clicking the button results just in showing a confirmation message box, the button text should not be followed by ...

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 9:01 PM by dodobyrd
Hmmm, Looks kind of simular to the new 'Clear Private Data' in firefox. I just wonder why MS would want to include something like this in there browser. Can MS ever be original?

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 9:20 PM by Adam
"Can MS ever be original?"

Yeah, they could get something out on time.

*looks at the clock*
*tick*
*tock*
*another firefox user signs up*
*tick*
*tock*

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Friday, January 13, 2006 9:22 PM by Mike
This is absolutely rediculous!

IE lacks basic features for years - they finally add them and they're "copying Firefox".

I bet if they didn't add them most people here would slate IE for not having basic features.

You people are absolutely pathetic.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:44 AM by jsminch
Wow.

Who let the drunks into the soup kitchen?
Ya know all they ever do is complain about the free chow. "Ya call this French bread? The mensh misshon, now, they know howta bake Frensch bread *hic*"

It's a good feature.
It's a good blog.
It's a good post.
It's a free product.

BTW...does Firefox have to integrate with Group Policy, Outlook, etc? (honestly, I don't know, but I don't think so).

also..
>>Demanding customers, demand better products.<<
Don't you have to pay for something to be a customer? (once again, 100% not sure)

P.S. Congrats on landing the M$ job Uche.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:22 AM by Matt
What the crap? They never claimed it was new or revolutionary. Cut them a break, don't put words in their mouth.
Stupid FireFox, they copied IE. IE was the real beginning of HTML rendering </sarcasm> (actually, Netscape before them, and something something before them)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:34 AM by daydream
Another bastard WINDOW just for deleting some stuff? Why don't integrate it on Internet Options window as another pane/tab or whatever

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:21 AM by Ron
"It's a free product."

Not really, you have to buy Windows to use it, therefore it's not free. It is free to get updates though, which only seems to happen after they release new versions of Windows anyway.

"What the crap? They never claimed it was new or revolutionary."

"There is a new feature in IE7... allow the excitement to naturally evolve."

It would be exciting if it was new and revolutionary, but it isn't.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:39 AM by SUGGEST AGAIN
Addon Manager in xpsp2 is NOT enough!

We want per site(domain) management.
EX. ban AddOn F ON Domain M

F is Flash mostly!!!

We hate Make-CPU-Scream Flashes on some potal site! ex. http://news.sina.com.cn every link full of flashit

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:48 AM by EricLaw [MSFT]
<<However, I hope that a technical writer will correct the texts in the dialog box even before beta. According to the Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications >>

Peter-- Good eye.

It's not my area, but I should mention that the Windows Vista version of the style guide has undergone some revisions. I believe the current text is consistent with the style guide, but I'll be sure to check. Thanks!

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 7:25 AM by Slurmworm
To Nick Davis
Thanks for your comment. 10 out of 10. I'm still wiping the tears. Here's a though for everyone - next time you want to *ahem* buy a gift for a loved one and want to clear your tracks, why not try *ahem* firefox. I let firefox alert me when a site wants to set a cookie. It's a great feature. I can deny a cookie, allow a cookie to be set permanently or just for a session. And its real easy to delete cookies in each category one at a time or via multi select. I hope this has been implemented in IE7 or I simply won't use it. The cookie management in firefox is too important. To everyone, good luck in purchasing *ahem* gifts for loved ones.

# re: Checkboxes

Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:40 AM by Neal
Hey, checkbox guys... you see the "..." following the text on each of those buttons? That means there are dialogs that appear when you click them. Dialogs with multiple items on them. These aren't simply "click me and I'll delete all these" things else they'd not have the ellipsis.

How do you propose you ask/inform the users of all the options when they check multiple items? A series of many dialogs popping up one after another? What if you cancel one because you don't understand the options, does it stop the remaining ones from coming up so you start over? What if you cancelled because it's obviously going to take to long too answer these things... do the remaining ones keep coming up? Hmmm, how about a big, crappy, scrolling html page showing the options for the selected ones? Enough of that crap in XP!? and "Ohhh jeez, I gotta answer all that!"

Come on guys, if you're going to complain about windows UI you ought to do more thinking about UIs than that.... checkboxes... sheeesh.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:00 AM by ><
I was searching and happened upon this.

Chart of daily, hourly, minute download charts of firefox browser and thunderbird.

http://staff.osuosl.org/~kveton/mofo

Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one.

Microsoft is cute though. Pretending as if they are relevant anymore.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:12 AM by John A. Bilicki III
"Well it's about time you finally posted something new in this blog, so thanks for that." - Ron

"You people are absolutely pathetic." - Mike

If you worked for MS on IE would you desire to post something on here? I'm not defending MS at all but if you're (you're as in to everyone this applies to) going to post a reply to the team's posts at least may a critical suggestion as others and I have in the past. I believe one can view the IE blog as an attempt by the IE team to avoid having IE7 become Netscape 5 and if you're not posting in some sort of relevant reply, about how to improve features, what specs need to become supported, or comment about how horrible the GUI is then just don't bother posting in the first place.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:24 AM by LarryOsterman
"Where is the inovation in IE7? It's just a Microsoft version of Firefox. Can you say RIP OFF! "

It's there if you have sense to look for it. Check out the video with Margaret Cobb (http://hive.net/Member/forums/8446/ShowPost.aspx), she points out a couple of things in IE7 that nobody else has (the one click view of all your tabs is a simple example)

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:12 AM by Adam
"Where is the inovation in IE7? It's just a Microsoft version of Firefox. Can you say RIP OFF! "

"It's there if you have sense to look for it.Check out the video with Margaret Cobb "
--------------------------------------------
Yes, way to funny. Why is it that it's only the ie7 team that is able to distinguish these "valuable" innovations.

Most, if not all say it's a direct copy of other browsers. I personally wouldn't know though, because they are sure as hell taking long enough copying them.

# Take some Maxthon Ideas

Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:27 AM by Maxthon User
I think the way Maxthon currently presents the options is a better way.

#1. You have the check boxes for cookies, temp file, etc. so you can do all our none.

#2. You also can do all of this on the close of the browser each time automatically. So for all the people who what to always cover their tracks you can do that too.

Please take more ideas from Matxthon :) Especailly highlight and drag searching.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 11:52 AM by codemastr
Neal: "Hey, checkbox guys... you see the "..." following the text on each of those buttons? That means there are dialogs that appear when you click them. ... How do you propose you ask/inform the users of all the options when they check multiple items?"

There is this beautiful control in Windows called a TreeView. It lets you have items, and then subitems so something like:

[X] Delete Cookies
|-- [ ] Whatever choice #1 is
`-- [X] Whatever choice #2 is

Is that really so hard? It's a style that has been used in many programs for many years. Then you avoid having 5+ new dialogs and it's easy to delete multiple things with the click of a single button.

Btw, if MS gives us a screenshot of those additional dialogs then it would be easier for me and others to propose a nice GUI.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:22 PM by Matthew Price
YES YES YES! I've wanted this feature for a long long time. Currently I use The MS Anti Spyware tool to erase my tracks. I'm so excited to get my hands on IE 7. Its been way too long.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:45 PM by Will
<<Microsoft is cute though. Pretending as if they are relevant anymore.>>

Maybe they have degrees in math or something. They're probably confused and think that their 85%+ marketshare is a meaningful number somehow.

Why don't you head back to alt.firefox.fanboy and hunker down for impact? When IE7 releases, it's going to be a lot harder to pimp Firefox.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:01 PM by Jay Munro
Hi,<br>I'm the UA/tech writer for Internet Explore UI and Help. <p> Peter, on your comment about Web site, Web page, etc..., under the old MSTP style guide, you're right. However, we are now using a new MSXUA style that's been updated for Vista. It has a number of areas that supercede the MSTP, and you're noticing some of them. We follow the Vista style which includes:
<p>
<ul>
<li><b>Website</b> (one word, only cap'd if it's the start of a sentence or in a title).</li>
<li><b>Webpage</b> (same as above)</li>
<li><b>Web</b> (lower case unless start of sentence)</li>
<li>Sentence capitalization on buttons and frames</li>
<li>Ellipses (...) for buttons that require interaction or further data, including confirmation messages.</li>
</ul>
<p>
In our style guides we now look to the MSXUA guide first, then the MSTP. What this means is all new text that goes into IE is the new style. If we touch a page, we're making it the new style. The changes have causes some questions from devs, PM's and testers who are familiar with the older style. I've explained this several times :).
<p>
On the button text capitalization, up until now, our style guides have been pretty rigid. However a very recent (this week) change is that we can now have the option to use title capitization on buttons where it blends better with legacy text. Since IE has a lot of legacy text, I'll be working with Uche and my editor on what changes (if any) we need to do in a later fit & finish review. <p> Thanks for your comments.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:46 PM by ><
Maybe they have degrees in math or something. They're probably confused and think that their 85%+ marketshare is a meaningful number somehow.
---------------------------------

Oh yes, Firefox has been progressing so slow because of Microsoft's "reign of terror" in the browser war "2". Tell me what was Microsofts percentage a few months ago? At roughly 350+ downloads a minute, currently, how much more does that subtract?

With Microsoft's incompetence in being able to give a release date. They are forced to standardize with Firefox design. They are just now beginning to get vital features that other's have had for years. Oh, yes...The terror is alive....

I'm sure Firefox is just quaking. Hell, by the time these yahoo's(pun) finally figure it out and get it released in 2 or 3 or 4 or... well however many months. Firefox will be 350+ a minute, at least, until Firefox's TV spots arrive shortly which will more than triple that number.

What did Netscape start out at again in browser war 1. or BW1? How long did it take for Microsoft to pass critical threshold? Hm... Oh, yes. The terror. Oh the horror.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:54 PM by PatriotB
Jay,

Thanks for the update. In any event, the capitalization of the word "Information" (top of dialog) must be wrong.

Personally, my opinion of these style guide changes is that it's going to cause a lot more inconsistency. Older third party apps which follow the old guidelines will clash with the OS dialog boxes. And not to mention all the old dialog boxes in the OS that probably won't be touched.

And personally, I think that the buttons look worse without Title Case. That "Delete all" button looks pretty weak.

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:22 PM by smckane
I like the feature - it's one of those - why wasn't it there in the first place ones ;-)

I think this is one of those areas where people who 'know' want more options, and people who 'don't' just want a way to 'secure' their machines. Is an 'advanced' option a way forward - a way of letting people choose to delete all of one option or the whole set, or those who want to can choose advanced and just clean the specific sets of things they want rid of? Or does that just complicate things further.

Forgive me if I'm repeating someone, feel free to flame!

Stewart

# re: Clear my Tracks: yes please!!!!

Saturday, January 14, 2006 5:23 PM by Peter
Jay,
Thanks for the clarification!

I look forward to the new style guides. Are drafts already available somewhere (MSDN?)?

While I might agree with