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The MIX06 site has been updated to provide more details on the many sessions and discussions – for example, the session on “Making Your Site Look Great on IE7”.   The site lays out the content and agenda, including the keynote with Bill Gates and Tim O’Reilly.  It also describes the sessions led by Jeff Barr of Amazon Web Services as well as the content scenario tracks owned by Joe Belfiore (Microsoft, eHome division) and some guy named Dean Hachamovitch who claims to be on the IE team.

I’ve been helping select the topics for the conference, so I’m looking forward to the final list of sessions (coming soon).  Some of my favorite topics (and my own talks) haven’t been posted yet, so subscribe to the RSS feed to keep up with updates.

http://mix06.com/

- Chris Wilson

Published Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:15 AM by ieblog

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# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:28 PM by Adam
“Making Your Site Look Great on IE7”.

May I ask how you plan on talking about this when it's not even out for us to get used to it yet?

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:40 PM by Serious Sam
Wow and already we have yet another comment regarding the release of IE 7. I thought everyone got that out of their systems about 2 blogs back....

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:57 PM by Adam
<<<Wow and already we have yet another comment regarding the release of IE 7.>>>>


This is a serious question. How do you plan on getting website owners familiar with it to even know what the hell your talking about when you do give a speech on it, without them trying it out for themselves?

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:18 PM by DMassy
Adam,
As we have already said we expect to release an updated preview for IE7 this quarter. In combination with the session at MIX and other documentation that we are working on, developers will be able prepare for the release. You can be certain that we will post here when the preview is available.
Thanks
-Dave Massy

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:51 PM by Tyre D. O'vwatin
<P>The statement, "Making Your Site Look Great on IE7" is not only stupid, but just goes to show the lack of concern MS has in regards to adhering to Web Standards. The statement should be: "Making your site look great, even in IE" (a.k.a. "Taking advantage of new support in IE7 for Web Standards, like PNG Transparency, SELECT lists that behave correctly, and a proper implementation of the CSS Box Model."</P>
<P>Oh, and since the topic of release dates has already popped up. Ok, so the public beta of IE7 is due out sometime in Q1, 2006. If all goes well, any estimation on when the actual release of IE7 will be? Not looking for a fixed date here, just looking for a ballpark. Q3?, Q4?, Q1(2007)?</P>

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:27 PM by DMassy
Hi Tyre,
If you look at the abstract for the talk it should be clear that it is focused on standards which is where a lot of work has taken place in IE7:
Making Your Site Look Great in Internet Explorer 7
This session is intended for designers and developers who want to learn how to build sites that work great with IE7. You will also learn how to take advantage of new capabilities such as better standards supports, RSS and Search integration, and new security features.
Maybe the title should be "Making Your Site Look Great in Internet Explorer 7 and other browsers" :) With the security changes, CSS improvements and RSS support in IE7 this talk should be of interest to a lot of web developers.
Thanks
-Dave

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:28 PM by computer_Potato
Making a good guess IE7 Public Preview for WinXP should be out around March 20, 2006. The Final IE7 for WinXP around August 30, 2006.

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:09 PM by bsmith@aol.com
Can't wait until this release comes out!

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:11 PM by Serious Sam
Hi guys,

I've read your previous post on this and I've checked out the website (OK, read the first page fully, kinda skimmed the rest, so if I've missed the point I'm about to mention, I apoligise), but I was just generally curious about something. This is whether or not you'll be using the conference as a way of gaining additional feedback on IE 7 (or any of the other products metioned on the site, such as Vista, etc.).
I mean not being funny or anything, but I personally can't think of a better place to be getting feedback, than at a conference, which in your own words should be packed full of developers, designers and business professionals.
Now, don't take any of that the wrong way, I'm sure you woudn't miss such a great opportunity to gain further valuable feedback on IE 7, it's just that I didn't see anything on the site which stated that specifically.

Thanks

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:28 PM by cwilso
Sam,
we absolutely are expecting to use this conference as a way to get face-to-face feedback on IE7 (and just as importantly, feedback to guide post-IE7). In particular, I think once the final session list is posted, you'll see just how serious I am about that.

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:13 PM by Bill Gates
Instead of IE 7, how about universal ?

IE 7 does follow W3C right. Kinda

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:36 PM by Allan Rasmussen
I can surely understand why there's a session named "Making Your Site Look Great in IE7" - and I would really have liked to attend it, first of all in order to find out how to compensate for the lack of CSS-generated content, without adding extra XHTML markup -- ooh, right, extra tag soup for IE, that is -- which naturally destroys the entire idea of generating content with CSS.
I envy the attendees of that session...

# re: More on MIX

Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:36 PM by A standards fan
Guys, please take an enormous pill or cut back on your espresso or ideally both.

Every browser has quirks. These guys claim that they've fixed a bunch of them. The session sounds like it will be about which things will work in a good way across all browsers and which things will still take some fudging.

There are probably GOOD ways to work around the noncompliance and bad ways. The posts about the * hack tell me that some of the stuff I've done to date for IE6 won't fare well in IE7. I for one want to know more about.

Cut them slack about a poorly named session. Those comments are just snide.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 4:28 AM by Serious Sam
Chris,

Thanks for the responce, it was exactly what I wanted to hear.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 5:41 AM by Alan Trick
Well, these snide comments are somewhat deserved. It would be nice if web developers could put history behind us, but the truth is that we will have to support IE<=6 for at least 5 years yet, particularly since there's no 2000 version. It's amazing how many people still use windows 98.


Also, can I make a request that someone at MS makes up a list of bugs that were fixed and/or created? It would be nice if there was a centralized place as opposed to Googling "IE 7 CSS bugs {insert issue here}" all the time.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 6:54 AM by Allan Rasmussen
'A standards fan':
There's a big difference between having quirks and simply not supporting something. What's worst depends...
However, I can understand why they're not going to wait with the release, till they can pass the Acid2 test; by then I can imagine they would have lost *really* big market shares. And I never expected IE7 to support XHTML either. But CSS-generated content? Think about it, if it's not going to be implemented in IE7 (and they say it's not), then how long do we have to wait until this - in my opinion - very important part of CSS gets really useful? It's been 1½ years since they started this blog.

I can imagine (some time ago I would have written 'hope'...) they want to support XHTML in IE8, and probably also to pass Acid2. And once they've managed to do both, there's a ton of other stuff they probably also want to implement; after all, it's not exactly like Firefox and Opera are just waiting for IE to catch up.

That leaves me with: root for another browser.

Finally though, as Alan Trick says, it's also somewhat deserved we're picking on them. That is, the company behind, not the developers. Although I actually tend to believe the developers find it very positive that the other browsers are doing so well, because that makes sure they can keep on working on IE for years to come (besides that it really improves the web), I have no doubt they're skilled and doing the best they can. But Microsoft should have invested more resources in this project...

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 8:18 AM by richard
Adam,
As we have already said we expect to release
an updated preview for IE7 this quarter.
------------------
...Wow. How about people type "ie7 beta 2"
along with the word "leak" into Google, to see
how many articles they can find. How
embarrassing for you.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:06 AM by game kid
"How about people type "ie7 beta 2"
along with the word "leak" into Google, to see
how many articles they can find."

Indeed. So much for protected networks...

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:33 AM by Adam
Don't know if this is true or not but found this in a forum as well.

It's not just screen shot links out there.

http://idnpros.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=103#103

Course there is always "Bearshare" also.

Thousands of copies are already getting out. How long can you what until the publics perception is based on these buggy monstrosities?

Boy, no one saw this coming.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 10:47 AM by game kid
"[no one] saw this coming."

You misspelled [the firefox fans].

# Internet Explorer 7 beta 2

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:16 PM by Apostolos Tsakpinis
Internet Explorer 7 beta 2 has been leaked!

I just installed it and it looks great!

MSN Search is currently the default and only search provider, Acid2 rendering is improved but still a mess. Page rendering feels faster and, as far as I have tested, there are great improvements in standards compliance!

Thank you Microsoft !!!

Going back to check on my IE7 wish list and do some testing!

P.S. The interface looks great too! Glad to see Refresh and Stop buttons are now separated.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 12:52 PM by Bruce Morgan [MSFT]
Adam, I don't think public perception is set by "thousands of copies" or screenshots on Bink.nu or whatever. Leaks like that are not really significant in the larger scheme of things. They're not unexpected or worth getting worked up about.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 1:50 PM by jace
Is it illegal to install a leaked build of IE 7 beta 2?

Thanks.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 2:27 PM by Fred Clown
>>Is it illegal to install a leaked build of IE 7 beta 2?

Uh ... think about that for a second and you might figure it out.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 2:32 PM by Fred Clown
>>Well, these snide comments are somewhat deserved. It would be nice if web developers could put history behind us, but the truth is that we will have to support IE<=6 for at least 5 years yet, particularly since there's no 2000 version. It's amazing how many people still use windows 98.

And so you'll probably gripe for another 5 years and complain about all of Microsofts mistakes (even though they are trying to fix them) rather than just accept things for what they are and move on. Get over it.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 2:50 PM by Adam
Question to MS, it sounds like, and this is, what I have read on this blog and channel 9, that the bulk of problems with bugs are for Vista, since regular people, i.e. not just developers, are going to be downloading this and do not have Vista what is the problem with releasing it? As you still have ample time to get it right with Vista before the final release, and that's the whole point of the preview is getting outside opinions and suggestions before the the final release later in the year?

Again not being a smart ass, just wanting a clearer picture of this. Thanks.


Adam.

P.S. And I'm not getting worked up, just getting excited and trying to understand. Hope you can distingish this.




# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 4:34 PM by Bruce Morgan [MSFT]
IE7 is not done yet. It's really not any more complex than that.

IE is essentially the same for all supported versions of Windows, although on Windows Vista it will use some features specific to that version. Any impression that we have it done for XP and not done for Vista is incorrect.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 4:46 PM by John A. Bilicki III
I didn't say anything the first time but...

18 Validation Issues...

Three failed points on Section 508 automated verification (1.1, 4.3, and 10.5)...

Three failed points on WAI automated verification...

Why is the Mix site being served as XHTML 1.1? This very blog revealed that IE7 will not support application/xhtml+xml mimetype (and the given reasons were acceptable)...

I think you need something like this but I'm no VB scripter...

If InStr(Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_ACCEPT"), "application/xhtml+xml") > 0 Then
Response.ContentType = "application/xhtml+xml"
Else
Response.ContentType = "text/html"
End If

I'll be patient. ;-)

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 8:36 PM by Mark
<<How embarrassing for you. >>

They're building a highly anticipated product that is so exciting to people that they're willing to break the law to get it before it's even done. How is that embarrassing?

Leaks like this are usually from dishonest beta testers.

# re: More on MIX

Friday, January 20, 2006 9:55 PM by Fiery Kitsune
IE7 Beta 2 has been leaked...

# re: More on MIX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:07 AM by LinWinOverlord
I am sure you don't want to see my very long ramblings, so I will say this much: IE Team, you got a long way to go... Plan your path to success, take it in stride, fork the development into sectors so that more can be completed at once, and actually read the blog comments rather than filter-skim then read. If you want to see my ramblings, there are a few somewhere, and they pertain to IE... I cannot wait till I get my hands on IEB2 so I can upload TONS of bug reports...

P.S. How long can a M$ site last in the Slashdot effect?

# IE beta 2

Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:46 AM by ozie
hi every one,

i just install IE7 beta 2, it crash a lot in my feeds, i dont known why

and

in some sites the acrobat readers, dont work nice, ( in the top of a page is white), the same why in my hotmail, with the atachs, i can not open, or download it.

is that normal?

# re: More on MIX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:34 AM by Me@home
Ozie - maybe this is the reason why beta2 is not out?

Come on folks, you are installing not officially released versions of IE Beta2 and then start reporting bugs. Silly

# re: More on MIX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:47 PM by Fiery Kitsune
The fate of IE7 doesn't belong in the hands of a few elitist beta testers who shell out money for $1000 MSDN accounts. Widespread testing by average joes and non-MSDN webdevs is key.

# re: More on MIX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:07 PM by Dave Massy [MSFT]
Fiery,
Might I refer you to the previous post at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/12/06/500599.aspx which clearly states that no MSDN membership will be required for the preview that will be made available this quarter. We're really looking forward to all the feedback when we have that ready.
Thanks
-Dave

# re: More on MIX

Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:58 PM by Benson
i have a problem. i cant go on live mail(beta) it appears strange i could go on but i cant read email. it never appears when i use ie6.

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 1:01 AM by Fiery Kitsune
Will there be a function in the browser that will let us report bugs?

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:44 AM by Glenn De Backer
A remark that I also posted on the Channel Wiki 9 - InternetExplorerSupportforCSS .

"I hope there is support for the !important rules in CSS. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules This would mean we could use html/css corectly without breaking the page compatibility with older IE versions. It's what I am using - opera and firefox does interpret these rules - today when making my pages compatible for different browsers. It's allot less cumbersome then working with stylesheet switchers and thus supporting multiple css files "

Does IE7 support these !important rules ?

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:03 AM by Allan Rasmussen
Glenn De Backer:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/properties/important.asp

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:25 AM by Tino Zijdel
Allan: Glenn probably should have said "Does IE7 support these !important rules correctly?" since the current implementation in IE is broken.

I also find the fact that the mix06 site is marked up as XHTML1.1 (and sent with wrong mime-type and not validating) hilarious ;)

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:08 AM by Glenn De Backer
Yes, you are correct Tino. Sorry

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 10:10 AM by ..
http://www.IE7.com

What's in a name?

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:53 PM by codemastr
"...Wow. How about people type "ie7 beta 2"
along with the word "leak" into Google, to see
how many articles they can find. How
embarrassing for you. "

You guys do realize that the NSA, you know, a super secret spying organization, can't even keep secrets (e.g. the whole wiretapping issue), right? If classified information is routinely leaked, I really don't think MS is surprised that IE7 betas get leaked, nor are they embarrassed by it. Sometimes "leaks" aren't even leaked at all! I've been told to "leak" things by my employers before. A leak generates more public interest than an actual release because people feel they are getting something that they aren't supposed to have (makes people feel special I guess). So sometimes companies purposely leak their products! Not saying that's what happened, just saying MS has absolutely no reason to be embarrassed. If anything, the fact that so many people have downloaded the leaked beta shows that IE does still have a huge market share and people are very interested in its future.

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:58 PM by milki
>>You guys do realize that the NSA, you know, a super secret spying organization, can't even keep secrets (e.g. the whole wiretapping issue), right? If classified information is routinely leaked, I really don't think MS is surprised that IE7 betas get leaked, nor are they embarrassed by it. Sometimes "leaks" aren't even leaked at all! I've been told to "leak" things by my employers before. A leak generates more public interest than an actual release because people feel they are getting something that they aren't supposed to have (makes people feel special I guess). So sometimes companies purposely leak their products! Not saying that's what happened, just saying MS has absolutely no reason to be embarrassed. If anything, the fact that so many people have downloaded the leaked beta shows that IE does still have a huge market share and people are very interested in its future.

True this might just be a PR Stunt by Microsoft. People are showing because this is the biggest upgrade to IE since ever. A ton new features have been added so far. IE are really low on this planet.

Anyway doesn't have a link where I can download the new Beta (I just want to get my hands on it, not replace Firefox)

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:39 PM by game kid
(Forgive my long comment, please.)

codemastr: "If anything, the fact that so many people have downloaded the leaked beta shows that IE does still have a huge market share and people are very interested in its future."

At the VERY least, they want the HTML DLLs of Windows to be secure, and an improvement over IE6. I want to see if it compares to Opera and Firefox while still being useful for Windows Update.

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:41 PM by game kid
(Another part of the "long comment" I meant. Had to split it to check if posting still worked for me; there's more to come.)

I must say I tried the leak a bit, just for giggles. http://us.metamath.org 's Unicode pages have been fixed (OMG w00t!! - but make sure you have a Unicode font installed). Pop-up games/movies on MSN Games and http://newgrounds.com/ (hold SHIFT and click on "PLAY NOW!" or "WATCH THIS MOVIE!") seem to have remnants of the top toolbar dock blocking them.

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:44 PM by game kid
(Still more to come.)

The middle part of http://slashdot.org/ is pushed down, as if it was too wide to fit between the side bars.

http://digg.com/ doesn't show all its backgrounds and comment pages render incorrectly after enough comments.

I use DSL, logging in via Network Connections instead of the modem; unless "Never dial a network connection" is checked in Internet Options, I see a dialog flashing on the screen as a page loads, perhaps once for each image or page element. Not very pretty.

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:47 PM by game kid
Overall, lots of things were fixed in the leak, but some still need attention and some were butchered. Hopefully the real Beta 2 isn't as bad, but if IE7 is anything like Visual Studio's Express apps, it'll go from a mediocre and broken Beta 2 to a RTM more beautiful than Lindsay Lohan on a beach.

# re: More on MIX

Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:01 PM by game kid
--oh, and Zoom can sometimes squeeze spaces out of words.

For now, I'm back to IE6 and those other two browsers.

# re: More on MIX

Monday, January 23, 2006 1:19 AM by Lordmike
I have read this blog for about a year now and can't remember if I have read about this.
Will IE 7 work on Windows Server 2003 * editions, or will it be enough to run IE 6 with IE enhanced security?
That is using my "Users" or "Power Users" accounts, or do I need to run as "Limited User"?

# re: More on MIX

Monday, January 23, 2006 1:38 AM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Lordmike--
IE7 will be available for Windows Server 2003 (and in fact, that's the configuration I'm posting this comment from :-).

You can run IE7 on Win2k3 as a normal user or a power/admin user.

Protected Mode is available on Windows Vista only.

# re: More on MIX

Monday, January 23, 2006 4:27 AM by Lordmike
@EricLaw--
Sounds great! Will run the first officially released beta when you release it then! :-).

I will probably run it as normal user, just to be as safe as possible.
Does it integrate well with IE enhanced security, or is that a function which should work with any IE version above 6 (meaning it will probably work with IE 8 when that is released)?

I don't know much about Vista yet, but will you be able to turn IE around so it's possible to write notes on the bakside of IE?
Would be cool to be able to write notes to a specific site.

# re: More on MIX

Monday, January 23, 2006 12:12 PM by ..
(So sometimes companies purposely leak their products!)

Yes, because all the news releases have been so welcoming to their latest "innovation." Just adding more full to the thinking that the public already new, their products are not secure with Microsoft.

"If IE7's leak wasn't done indirectly by the powers at Microsoft, then there appears to be a real nasty problem. Microsoft security doesn't appear to be good enough to protect their own projects, let alone anyone else's."

New's Source:
http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/expertarticles/wpn-62-20060123UpcomingVistaAndIE7OnTheNet.html

# re: More on MIX

Monday, January 23, 2006 7:44 PM by codemastr
"Yes, because all the news releases have been so welcoming to their latest "innovation." Just adding more full to the thinking that the public already new, their products are not secure with Microsoft. "

If I could find any sense of coherent thought and grammar in that sentence, I'd respond to it. What products aren't secure exactly? And how does a leak indicate this lack of security?

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