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Please test your sites with IE7

I’m very excited we’ve released a public preview of beta2 that everyone can download. I’m also very happy that we’ve opened up a couple of different avenues to take your feedback. As Dean mentioned, there is a great checklist for site developers on the IE7 preview site; I wanted to call out a specific item on that list.

Markus posted a while ago about the demise of CSS hacks in IE. We heard your feedback in the comments to that post, and we’ve put out a public preview release of IE7. I’d like to reiterate the call to action – if you are a web developer, please check your usage of CSS hacks. In addition to all the improvements in our CSS standard support that I talked about in July, and the other stuff I mentioned at the PDC, the IE layout team – developers, testers and program management – has done some amazing work since my last update and fixed the core of our CSS box model overflow problem (this means content overflow does not need to cause boxes to grow in size). We’re still refining our solution, but this means, for example, that simultaneously 1) the Holly hack won’t work properly anymore, and 2) it probably won’t be applied, because as we said before, the Star-HTML hack is gone.

It’s a difficult challenge to keep compatibility with sites and apps but break compatibility for standards compliance, and we would appreciate you checking your sites and making necessary changes where you’ve hacked in non-standard stuff for IE in the past. We would particularly like detailed feedback on the work we’re doing in this area.

We’re all very excited to start releasing. We’re going to try to restrain ourselves from posting dozens of blog posts today, and stop at three. :-)

 - Chris Wilson

Update: We now have a MSDN article that walks you through CSS compatibility issues: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/IETechCol/cols/dnexpie/ie7_css_compat.asp

Published Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:48 AM by ieblog

Comments

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:14 PM by Thomas Tallyce
Great news, and congratulations on getting through the door what must have been a very significant amount of refactoring work in CSS compliance areas alone.

# Great Work

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:24 PM by Bob Campbell
Great work! I've installed IE 7 on 2 Windows XP machines and the install went without a hitch.

It takes a bit to find the locations of icons and new features, but all in all it looks great and so far, works great!

# Matthew Gifford - IE7 public beta

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:26 PM by Matthew Gifford - IE7 public beta

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:30 PM by Jozef Izso
Well, I'm very confused: underscore hacks and others are gone, bad box model is gone, but bad margin model is still here. So how can I tell IE7: pls, use good margin model?

I think that now is time for conditional comments.

Margin model: margins collapsing when overlaps.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:39 PM by DaveP
Will installing IE7 overwrite IE 6, 5.5, and 5.1 on my machine?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:40 PM by Fabio
When will be released some version for Windows Server 2003?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:42 PM by A Huge Jerk
So are you guys ever going to offer a standalone version of IE7? How do you seriously expect people to use this program if it overwrites their most important web programming tool? You don't even offer an option to uninstall it.

Now obviously I'm going to have to get an additional license for Windows and run it on another machine or on a virtual machine, but this shouldn't be necessary.

You guys also need to stop breaking your own UI standards. I can't see any normal user wanting to use IE7. It'd confuse the hell out of them. It even confuses the hell out of me!

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:48 PM by PatriotB
Small typo on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/ie7/devwebchecklist.mspx

4th item, part d: "Do not mix HTTP content into an HTTP page" ... should be HTTPS.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:48 PM by ieblog
DaveP,

Yes, this replaces IE6 on your XP SP2 system.

Fabio,

We will have a beta coming up which will support all of our shipped platforms. The preview is only for x86 XP SP2.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:29 PM by Andrew Ingram
I found two examples of bugs in IE6 that still don't work in this beta of IE7 (oddly, one of these works in IE5.5)

Both of these can be found at Nathan Smith's Sonspring Design blog.

Multi-Class Bug:
http://host.sonspring.com/multi-class/index.htm

Absolute Positioning Bug:
http://host.sonspring.com/boxes/ (Screenshot of correct rendering: http://host.sonspring.com/boxes/ff_example.gif)

# tour optimized for IE 6 users only?

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:30 PM by Ryan Edwards
What kind of example are you setting by putting up a tour design that is broken on all other browsers but IE 6? Disheartening, but good for the competition!

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:43 PM by Matt
Monumental improvement, but still experiencing [some] problems with margins.

# Standalone IE

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:46 PM by Dominik
> So are you guys ever going to offer a standalone version of IE7?

Quoted for Emphasis.
Firefox runs from a 32 MB USB-Stick.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:51 PM by Aaron
http://host.sonspring.com/multi-class/index.htm

seems like such a simple bug to fix. hopefully beta 3.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:53 PM by paulo
http://asp.net/

http://www.windowsworkflow.net/

http://windowscommunication.net

This sites fails to render.


Another question, is possible disable the Clear Type fonts in IE7 Beta2 ?. Thanks


# Windows Update crashes browser

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:05 PM by Marc
If I try to visit the windows update site, the new browser crashes.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:05 PM by ieblog
If ClearType on by default bothers you, you should try 1) tuning it with the tool at http://www.microsoft.com/typography, and if that doesn't help, 2) disable it in IE (Internet Tools...Advanced...under Multimedia, uncheck "Use ClearType".

-Chris Wilson [MS]

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:06 PM by George Dearing
I can't get my RSS subsscriptions to import.

Otherwise, it runs well, albeit the UI is a bit confusing at first.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:12 PM by kL
Too bad it replaces IE6 - I don't have spare Windows installation to break, so I won't be able to test it. However:

If overflow is fixed (grrreat!) does IE7 have support for min-width/min-height then?

Is hasLayout bug still triggered in same ways?

Do hasLayout objects still clip their absolutely positioned children?

# IE7 Beta 2 at Everything Is In/Flux

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:12 PM by IE7 Beta 2 at Everything Is In/Flux

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:17 PM by Lance Robinson
There seem to be some rendering issues in Community Server admin pages.

Love the RSS support, as well as the tabbing. My first impressions are good.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:22 PM by David Naylor
SP2 won't work on my computer (makes turquoise lines all over the screen) so I won't be able to test my site. I'd be happe if someone here could report how it looks:

http://davidnaylor.org/blog/

It's made for Firefox with transparent pings and advanced CSS galore, so if IE7 knows its stuff it should look fine.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:23 PM by mmmbeer
Too bad most of us institutional developers won't be able to do ANY testing whatsoever on our work computers--given that we run 2k. That sucks. That's my first thought.

My second thought, where does it say the requirements for IE7?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:26 PM by paulo
Windows Update, work for me.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:32 PM by jace
Please disable clear-type by default on CRTs, what a nightmare that will be if you ship it turned on!

Makes me feel like I'm going blind, I can only imagine what the more senior staff would say!

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:36 PM by Kenneth Saborio
Fantastic! Installation ocurred flawlessly.

I already notified many realtors in Costa Rica and the U.S. about the availability of this beta version and encouraged them to test their Web sites.

Congratulations to the IE team.

Pura vida!

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:44 PM by Ender
Is there a way to keep the text from appearing huge? I tried disabling cleartype but everything is huge.

Other than that it looks very impressive. Reminds me of AOL explorer.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:46 PM by Ryan
I am wondering if the development of the tabs feature is completed to a point where there is no way to implement any other features that has to deal with tabs. The reason I'm asking is I would and I believe many others, would love to see a feature which allows you to group a bunch of favorites together into a folder. From there, have that folder located on your "Links" toolbar and that we would be able to right click or middle click on the "folder" and just have it open up in a group of tabs, very similar to FireFox.

Is this something that can be implemented or brought up to the developers? I'd truly appreciate it.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:50 PM by Jon
The installation worked without a hitch. I like and appreciate many of the new features. That said, I don't care for the new interface. I am seeing some major useability problems here. The new interface is confusing at best. Do you guys even follow your own GUI standards?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:51 PM by Aaron
I think there may be an issue with OWA for exchange 2003 and the S/MIME control. I can not open a new message to send and when I try to reply to a message or forward a message I get the same issue. What happens is the page opens like it should, but it never completely loads and finally comes back and says: !An unknown error happened.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:02 PM by Benji
One thing I noticed in the search engine additions...A9 is missing. Can we get A9 integration?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:04 PM by bittercupojoe
Is there any way to turn off the address bar on a window? Our current application opens up a pop-up with no navigation controls, etc. to save screen real estate. The new "always on" address bar is eating into that. I'm not asking for a way to turn it off remotely, I'm asking if there's an option in the advanced features to turn it off.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:07 PM by Matthew
So is there a keyboard shortcut that puts the focus into the new search box the way Alt+D puts focus into the Address Box?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:09 PM by Scott
I've installed the IE7 Beta 2 Preview with no problems on my Windows XP Home Edition SP2 machine. I'm curious as to how you'll handle updating the browser for IE7 Beta 2's actual release and then final release. Will it simply be a case of installing the package over the previous version?

# thomas gigold, Eintrag: IE 7 Beta 2 Preview

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:14 PM by thomas gigold, Eintrag: IE 7 Beta 2 Preview

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:19 PM by Dark Phoenix
I haven't downloaded the beta yet (will be doing so in the short future), but I do want to mention one BIG usability flaw in the design that I can see simply from the screenshots...

The New Tab button should really be on the left. I guarantee someone will accidentally hit Close Tab when they mean to hit New Tab (which is the usability problem with putting New Tab on the far right of the bar; the last tab's Close Button is always right up against it).

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:24 PM by ieblog
Dark Phoenix,

The button to close a tab is on the tab, itself. You shouldn't have the problem that one has in, say, Firefox, where the close tab and close window button are next to each other.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

# Microsoft IE7 cant render a microsoft site

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:27 PM by Dray
http://forums.asp.net/default.aspx?GroupID=34

the menu doesnt render horizontally.. IE7 bug considering this is a microsoft website ;-)

# re: Tab Groups (from Ryan)

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:30 PM by Yitzchok
"I am wondering if the development of the tabs feature is completed to a point where there is no way to implement any other features that has to deal with tabs. The reason I'm asking is I would and I believe many others, would love to see a feature which allows you to group a bunch of favorites together into a folder. From there, have that folder located on your "Links" toolbar and that we would be able to right click or middle click on the "folder" and just have it open up in a group of tabs, very similar to FireFox."

It's already there. Open the array of tabs you wish to save together. Press the + icon to the left of the tabs. Choose "Add Tab Group to Favorites". To open that array of tabs, locate the folder you just created in your favorites and press the green -> icon that will appear to its right. Viola!

# PNG alpha transparency support incomplete?

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:31 PM by Cabel
(Let me know if I should report this problem elsewhere! Thanks!)

IE7 beta 2 doesn't seem to correctly render transparent (alpha-channeled) PNG images which are used in layers (floating DIV's) on a page.

It renders the alpha channel portions incorrectly. For example, a soft alpha-channel drop shadow becomes completely solid black.

To see this in action: 1) Visit http://www.cabel.name. 2) Click "Previous Entries" on the top right corner of the page.

The pop-up window will have a solid black shadow instead of a soft one.

Thanks so much for investigating!

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:33 PM by ColdFusion650
what's the deal with the ftp client? is it just missing because this is a beta or will it be missing from ie7? its the only reason i ever use ie, except for the occassional ie only site. and yes, i have the option in advanced options checked to do explorer style folder view for ftp.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:33 PM by Ryan
I understand that is already there.

I guess I was not clear enough. You know how you have a "Links" toolbar? I'm not sure if you utilize it, but I know a lot of people who do. I have many links and instead of limiting myself to just those links, I added folders to the Links toolbar with links inside the folders. In FireFox, these are treated as links, you can middle click on the "folder" located on the "Links" toolbar and it will open the group in tabs. Instead with IE7, I have to open up or dock the Favorites section and then search for the folder in the "Links" folder and then click on the green button.

What I am requesting is that the way the folders located inside or on the "Links" toolbar, are to be treated just like links themselves in that if you click on the folder which is located on your "Links" toolbar it will open the group in tabs.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:34 PM by Moestrup
Hey...
It dosent really work with credential manager like the old one did. Hope you fix it soon.

Moestrup

# re: Tab Arrays

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:36 PM by Yitzchok
When selecting a group of tabs to open from the favorites pane, they are added to the already open tab. This is the intended use, I'm sure, but a bit annoying if one wants _just_ the group to open. If it were possible to close ALL tabs (right now you have to have one open at all times), one could have the browser open like this by default and then open an array of tabs from the favorites pane without having to close the already open tab afterwards.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:36 PM by Jeff
Ok, I installed it ... it's nice, you've fixed some bugs ... great.

However, don't you think it's a little dumb that your BETA overwrites the latest stable release?

I'm a developer, and it's necessary for me to code for compatibility for IE6.x as well as look forward to the future release of IE 7.

Why, oh why haven't you provided the capability of running these two browsers on the same machine?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:36 PM by forgetfoo
as has been said, looking real slick :)

couple quick ones.... noticed right away that alot of links weren't picking up the style/color changes on the a:hover via my stylesheet... only thing that comes to mind is that they're preceeded by div/id, something like:

#topbar a:hover {
background: transparent;
color: #f00;
}

noticed some scripts not working too, such as my hoversmack(), and others while hop'n around online.... example:

the lightbox script:

http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/

worked find under IE6 and IE7 (beta 1), and Firefox/Opera... but not IE7 (beta 2 preview)

pages definitely loading faster (which is awesome), though there seems to be some issues with margins... quick test page and toggle'n between FF v1.5 and IE7B2 saw things shifting for me back-n-forth.

(okay, i shut up now)

# re: Tab Groups (from Ryan)

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:40 PM by Yitzchok
Ahh, you essentially want the group functionality to be accessable from outside the favorites pane (in this case the Links toolbar). That _would_ be a great addition. I'd like to see link groups as shortcuts that could be placed on the dsktop, as a matter of fact. One click from the desktop would open the browser with the proper array of tabs.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:42 PM by Ryan
Yitzchok,

Did I explain it well enough lol? I'm hoping I did as this is something I'm waiting patiently for. What you said is very great too.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:43 PM by Jeff
forget foo...

Lightbox worked fine for me...

Interesting.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:45 PM by Joshua Allen [MSFT]
ABJ: To uninstall, you can look under add/remove programs, and make sure the checkbox for "show updates" is selected. Then, under Windows, you'll see IE7. Uninstall should restore to previous state.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:45 PM by forgetfoo
just realized the mouseover popups over at Netflix aren't working for me either :(

# ??????????.??????.???? | Internet Explorer 7.0 Beta 2

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:46 PM by ??????????.??????.???? | Internet Explorer 7.0 Beta 2

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:47 PM by Joshua Allen [MSFT]
Benji: IE7 team worked with A9 to make sure IE7 works with A9 OpenSearch. You should be able to add just about any provider from A9.com simply by clicking on the search description file.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:47 PM by forgetfoo
really? couple people emailed me to say that it was no longer working... tried it out myself and it simply redirects me to the image i'm linking to in the "href" on the two i added to my lastest post about IE7... even though there's a "return false" on the onclick trigger for the links.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.... build 5296 here, right?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:52 PM by Jeff
Yes, build 5296 .. just downloaded it an hour ago.

I'm actually implementing Lightbox in a site I'm working on ... was one of the first things I checked. ;)

This is purley a "proof of concept" that I threw up for the client to decide if they like it ... the colors I've chosen were demonstrations to show what could easily be changed, so don't tease me about how it works... if it even works for you.

http://198.64.151.111/lightbox/


# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:02 PM by James Lamb
I work all day long applications of my own design. They support websites I inherited. I've updated them over time, but not been able to convert to CSS, though some of the applications I've built do use CSS.

I am excited to learn that my applications aren't slow, but that IE6 was slow. (Due to some glaring omissions, like the inability to find text inside form elements, I've never been able to use other browsers.) On the other hand, I'm dismayed at how much time I've collectively wasted, considering how much faster IE7 is than IE6 ever was.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:03 PM by forgetfoo
ahhhhh... first thing i see is the baby :)

damn, works fine for me under FF.... fired up a new IE after a reboot, hard refresh, and yours works fine. *scratches_head*

head back over to my site, repeat and rinse... hoversmack() still doesnt work, no js errors that i can see.

oh well.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:09 PM by Jeff
Forgetfoo ... I found your blog by googling for hoversmack().

It appears to be working fine in in IE7 for my installation. (Yes, I saw the nude Brittany)

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:13 PM by Anonymous Coward
I found a couple of bugs; how do I report them?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:23 PM by frankf
It seems to work better than IE6, but there are still some CSS2 properties that need to be implemented. One in my mind is <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#propdef-content">content</a>, along with <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/generate.html#x2">:before</a>, which would be useful for people marking up scripts, or adding images next to selected links or the like.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:27 PM by ieblog
Anonymous Coward,

See the blog post on Feedback from earlier today: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/01/31/520817.aspx

- Al Billings [MSFT]

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:32 PM by Ryan
MSFT devs,

I'm wondering if you've read my comments at all and if it is something you guys will take into consideration OR if it is too late in the development cycle to implement such features.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:44 PM by TheThinker
Some thoughts:

1. I don't like the refresh button to the right of the address bar. It's much better where it always was next to the fwd and back buttons.

2. The "Stop" button now looks like a "Close something" button ... you're kindof breaking some UI conventions there.

3. If I create a new tab, then select another tab it opens to about:blank. Then, if I click on another tab, then back to the new tab, and position my cursor in the address field, it doesn't auto-select the text in there. Also, CTRL+A doesn't select all in the address bar either, I need to manually paint it, or use my backspace or delete to clear the field.

4. I do like how you've liberated some space from the toolbar/menubar area and freed up screen real estate.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:49 PM by Dao G.
Well, I'm disappointed. It's a mess how IE 7 renders my sites:

http://www.playable.de

If you try to interact with the site, it becomes painly slow. And of course there are plenty of small visual quirks.
But especially this site, which makes heavy use of CSS, is totally screwed up:

http://design-noir.de

Both of these sites used to look better even with IE6. (Try Firefox, Opera or Konqueror/Safari to see how they *should* look like.) I know this is due to the special fixes I serve for IE6 but not for IE7, but I really thought the hacks would not be necessary anymore.

I hope IE7 will never ship in a shape like this. Please tell me this is early state. Otherwise I don't know how I'm supposed to create websites in the future. All back to table design? Damn ...

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:57 PM by PEINAO
Washington Mutual does not work with Windows Internet Explorer 7

# IE 7 on Acid2

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:59 PM by Acid Dropper
Hmmm ... I don't think you should consider releasing ANYTHING until you render the Acid2 test a little better than this.

http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html

That's just sad.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:06 PM by the dragon
No, I won't test with it, and
I'm currently uninstalling your preview. If you don't care enough about web developers to make a stand-alone version, I won't test it beyond the point I've already tested it in a few hours until people start raising a stink, at which point I'll tell them the reason we couldn't test earlier is because testing IE7 would require us to buy extra PCs, which we aren't willing to do until it reaches a high enough market share. IE6 isn't supported unless you release a final standalone version of IE6.

All of the unsupported techniques that worked with Beta 1 to make a standalone no longer work with Beta 2 even with the reg hack. I tried installing the preview and creating an IE6 standalone, and that didn't work either.

Thanks for nothing.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:10 PM by Ian
Getting there. Some UI changes needed. I think the RSS is a little confusing, I would rather it list my feeds like FF bookmarks then list the articles when mouse hovered.

Also, CSS is still a problem, alot of work still to be done. Basically, i would like to build a site using CSS and it will work in IE7 as good as FF or Opera.

Just please hurry, ie6 is a nightmare!!!

# The WebBlah &raquo; IE7 Beta 2

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:11 PM by The WebBlah » IE7 Beta 2

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:20 PM by Michael Slater
My site renders fine, which is good.

But I need to be able to run IE6 for general use. Please provide a way to switch back and forth, or at least a way to uninstall the IE7 beta.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:25 PM by John A. Bilicki III
Rendering...
1.) Pure CSS drop down menus work with :hover support now:awesome;

2.) Some sort of box model issue that will have to be reported.

GUI...
The "classic menu" appears below the address. In a top to bottom left to right language I must presume the website I am visiting has precedence over my browser?

Buttons and toolbars are a mess, revert back to IE6 GUI where we can customize everything as we please.

I'm happy where the (X)HTML rendering for the most part but disappointed in the GUI. Either way good job so far.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:36 PM by ovidiu
Still bad/buggy/bizzare CSS support. Why not standard compliant? When are you going to learn?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:37 PM by ColdFusion650
does anybody know what the deal is with the ftp client missing? is it just because this is a beta, so they decided to compile it without it, or is the ftp client gone for good?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:44 PM by Mark McKinnon
Hey there my site works great love the fact that you added RSS viewer to it :-).

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:51 PM by Aaron
Will the phishing filter feedback/report change?. putting it inside the IE window and using website kinda worry me. I know that you have to click the yellow warning to get the phishing report and check yellow lock thing but are there any posibility that malicous people can create a look a like site and trick people into believing that it's a IE phishing report.hmm possible inexperienc usere or early adopter user of IE 7.0 will make a mistake.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:54 PM by malyfred
http://fredfred.net/skriker/
and try to add comment on any post. Do you see? Width of textarea is changed when it gets focus.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:04 PM by Ken
Does IE Beta2 support this?
http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:04 PM by Ryan
MSFT Devs,

ONE more thing. Would it be possible for users to re-arrange favorites that are in folders which are placed on the "Links" toolbar in any order they wanted to instead of having it go by alpha order?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:08 PM by Craig
When typing URLs in address bar, if I jump to another tab it forgets what I was typing in the address bar of the first tab. Anyone else get this? Tis a bit annoying.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:16 PM by Rosyna
IDN support seems broken. If I go to http://xn--sailor-183m.com/japan/Japan.html I get an error "This web address contains letters or symbols that cannot be displayed with the current language settings." However, when I look at the language list, both Japanese and English are in the list.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:21 PM by Mutt
Tools->Phishing filter, and popup blocker does nothing, I would assume it should open an options box or something? Tools-FeedDiscovery same does nothing

View-text size, encoding does nothing...

Should at least all 'basic' user functions be working in a beta 2 build?

Back to Firefox 1.5 for me...you guys have a lot of catch up to do..

# addEventListener

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:51 PM by drew
Well, still no support for addEventListener(). Can't say I'm surprised, as I've seen the question asked more than a dozen times on this blog, and it's been completely ignored every time.

Can somebody please say whether support for this part of the spec is planned for inclusion and just hasn't been implemented yet, or if this is just going to be ignored as it has been so far?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:54 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Rosyna-- This is behaving as expected, although I can see that the message is potentially ambiguous. For security purposes, IE7 does not permit mixing Latin and Japanese characters within a single label. We describe this in detail here: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/12/19/505564.aspx

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:32 PM by Rosyna
Eric, that doesn't really make much sense (for Japanese) as roman and Japanese text is mixed all the time in Japan. It's one of those "marketing" things. Also, the roman script and Japanese are not ambiguous. You can't use one to spoof the other.

# I don't really know what's going on here

Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:38 PM by Tiago Magalhães
http://javsport.pt/_private/ifimup/uk/index.html

This was looking fine under IE6 and Firefox.
Tested under IE7 beta and the left menu is...
...interesting O.o

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:07 AM by Kelly Ford [MSFT]
Matthew,

You asked about a keyboard shortcut to put focus in the new search box. The key for this is ctrl+e.

Kelly

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:40 AM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Rosyna: "the roman script and Japanese are not ambiguous. You can't use one to spoof the other."

Unfortunately, there are actually a fair number of Roman/Japanese confusables.

0x30A8, 0xe05, 0x4e85, and a list of others are all potentially ambiguous.

While it would technically be easier to permit potentially confusing combinations, it is important to us that the IDN experience in IE is secure and not a new treasure trove of spoofing attacks for the bad guys.

As you noted, IE7 will still navigate to the site (no harm in that) but simply does not render the potentially confusable string (to prevent spoofing).

Thanks for the feedback.

# ckunte.com | In Internet Explorer 7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:58 AM by ckunte.com | In Internet Explorer 7

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:08 AM by mh
Eric

<blockquote>
0x30A8, 0xe05, 0x4e85, and a list of others are all potentially ambiguous.
</blockquote>

In which encoding?

# Very serious bug in CSS rendering

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:15 AM by Garnet Thomas
There is a bug in IE6 still in IE7 with regards sizing boxes.
Take this example:
A div, 'div1', with the style "left: 200px; right: 200px;" has another div, 'div2', in it with "width: 100%". This stretches 'div1' to 100% the window size, when it should be the width of the browser -200px on the left and -200px on the right.

This is close to how my website-in-development is set up, and it is really a nuisance, as I can't find any way whatsoever to fix it.
http://www.d2kstudios.com/index.php

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:29 AM by Ben Buchanan
<q>1) the Holly hack won’t work properly anymore, and 2) it probably won’t be applied, because as we said before, the Star-HTML hack is gone.</q>

What do you mean "probably"? :) Surely you guys should know if the selector/hack will work or not!

Anyway, would love to test but since it blasts IE6 (and I have no way of putting it back) I won't be able to do it. If you guys could ever find a way for us to have multiple versions of IE it'd really help us (yeah I know it's not easy, I'm just saying...).

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:32 AM by Brian
I see the whiners are out in force. Awesome job on IE7. Much new stuff to get used to, all of it looks good.

# IE7β2登場

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:44 AM by re-in-car-na-tion
米MicrosoftがIE 7ベータ2の一般提供を開始,「CSS対応機能の実装を...

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:50 AM by Bill
I'm also having trouble with Outlook Web Access. When I try to compose a new message, the window pops up properly and begins to load but eventually fails.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:23 AM by Mystere
Dao G

You might start by using valid CSS first before you complain about CSS rendering problems.

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.playable.de%2F

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:34 AM by grady@solutionset.com
<style type="text/css" media="all">
input[type=text] {
background-color:pink;
}
input[name=funny] {
padding:15px;
}
input:focus {
background-color:red;
}
</style>
<input type="text" name="funny" />

Strangely, the input will show up with the 15px padding but NOT with the pink background. For some reason the attribute of "type" is not properly recognized in a selector. Aditionally, the pseudo-class of :focus does not do anything.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:44 AM by Dao G.
@Mystere

I use valid CSS 2.1 (except for opacity and filter).

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:50 AM by Dao G
... oh, and except for expression (also MS proprietary.)
-moz- isn't invalid according to the CSS 2.1 grammar. Nontheless, I don't think this struggles IE7.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:53 AM by grady@solutionset.com
<style>
*:after {
content:'Hello to the after-life!';
}
</style>
It also seems that the :after psuedo-class is not implemented. This means that the http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html has been rendered useless in IE7.

The clearfix was actually useful for ALL browsers and used to cleverly handle float layouts without the use of a <br clear="all" /> all over the place.

Since IE 7 seems to have finally implemented a decent box-model, but left off most of the psuedo-classes, this leaves IE 7 is in a strange "bug free but impossible to code for" gray area (when it comes to strict XHTML/CSS layouts).

Check out Opera 9 beta's acid 2 test and be amazed.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:21 AM by krsaborio
In celebration of the release of Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview, I have created a Web page with screenshots of most popular browsers since 1993.

From NCSA Mosaic (pura vida Chris Wilson!), to Netscape, to IE, to AOL, it's pretty cool to see the evolution on the interfaces.

The page is at http://www.krsaborio.net/research/internet/browsers.htm

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:27 AM by Kevin Burton
Hey.

I usually give MS a lot of crap (and you guys sometimes deserve it) but I'm glad you got this out over the firewall.

Good job!

(Now if only it was based on FireFox ;)

Kevin

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:48 AM by David Leary
Great program. IEROCKS!!!

Except it doesnt work for my site. :-(

My menu goes all corrupt on the left, it is all done with css. The funny thing is that it cuts out the second half of all menu items, even the text.

It works fine on IE6,FF,Opera!!

Any thoughts?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:52 AM by David Leary
Oh, the website address is http://www.eigroup.co.uk

# IE7... non

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:15 AM by FoxyBlog

# IE7... non

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:16 AM by FoxyBlog

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:25 AM by Majk
Does IE7 support "!important"? I tested a couple of sites and it seems to me that it doesn't.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:27 AM by Matthias Lotze
A comment before the doctype still triggers quirks mode. and this is crap, cause i want quirks in IE 6 and standards mode in IE 7. please do something about this.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:37 AM by Rosyna
How are ⼅and エ spoofable? Especially when the roman characters 0x0049 (I) and 0x006C (l) are even more spoofable? 0xe05 (ฅ) isn't a Japanese Character.

Also, the info bar suggests it can be fixed by adding Japanese to the language list, when it cannot (as far as I can see). So yes, it is ambiguous and wrong. The problem then becomes when people go to legitimate sites and get that error. 月 itself is not easily confused with any roman character that I know of.

Safari, for example, has a list of Languages that have no characters that can easily be confused with each other.

Arabic
Armenian
Bopomofo
Canadian_Aboriginal
Devanagari
Deseret
Gujarati
Gurmukhi
Hangul
Han
Hebrew
Hiragana
Katakana_Or_Hiragana
Katakana
Latin
Tamil
Thai
Yi

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:45 AM by xfinx
You can download multiple IE versions here (they are standalone :-) )

# ThinkLemon &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; Internet Explorer 7: Beta 2 Preview available

# re: Please test your sites with IE7 and standalone IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:50 AM by zeph
It would have been FAR more useful if you'd released a standalone beta, Not very forward thinking!

There are standalone hacked versions of older IE out there for the finding - google for em and they'll turn up on the first page of results. These aren't a perfect solution at all, but they're better than nothing...

# Well done team!

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:40 AM by Matt Abbott
IE7 is already shaping up to be a tour de force in the internet world, I like all the work at has be done.

@all nay-sayers: This is a BETA, its not the final release, I'm sure all most of the glitches and bugs are on a list of things to be ironed about in the future. They still have a lot of time left before the planned release date so don't start slating the team just because they haven't solved 'your' paticular issue.

@zeph: As previously stated, IE is infact a collection of components which are distributed and used by different areas of the OS. IE7 brings updates to not only the rendering engine but I believe changes to the underlying protocols to, so any changes will affect the whole OS, thats why it replaces the current generation IE on your system and cannot be run side-by-side. If this was done, certain issues would no doubt arise between applications dependant on the older version of the components and applications using the new versions.

That any clearer?

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:02 AM by Thomas Tallyce
a:hover stuff seems broken when preceeded by div/id as per the above poster's findings.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:05 AM by Dao
> This is a BETA, its not the final release,

Yes, this is a beta, but as it is especially addressed to web developers, it should somehow show what can be expected in the final version.

> I'm sure all most of the glitches and bugs are on a list of things to be ironed about in the future.

But it's also said "Please send us your feedback on the IE7 Beta 2 Preview". So this is what the "nay-sayers" are doing.

> They still have a lot of time left before the planned release date

What do you mean by "a lot"? As I see it, it's dang few time to teach IE7 proper CSS (or more proper, as there's progress at least).

> so don't start slating the team just because they haven't solved 'your' paticular issue.

Again, don't mistake slating for reporting.
And I'm glad you quoted "your". Of course these are issues of us, our visitors and the IE team.

# Box model overflow and min-height

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:19 AM by Peter
Thanks for the release.

Since you fixed the box model overflow problem, I think you should support the min-height property as well. I use the overflow:visible property for contentEditable areas and I now have to remove the height for the box to expand with the content. But a min height would be nice.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:24 AM by Bob
Wierd stuf with my news comments in IE7 b2. In IE6 it works fine (except there is the "gilliotine bug"). In every other browser it works fine. In IE7 the comments flows under the page wich ends long before the comments do.

Example:
http://www.ffuniverse.nu/news.aspx?id=1208#comment

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:43 AM by Cecil Ward

The CSS :first-line/:first-letter whitespace bug described in http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/02/460115.aspx is still not properly fixed in IE7 build 5296.

Try:

p:first-line, .morestuff { } - which FAILS,

versus
p:first-line , .morestuff { } - which works.

Regards,

Cecil Ward.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:04 AM by Richard
http://www.pokemonfanuniverse.com/

The page is rendered on my Dell 2405FPW as if the scroll bar is not there. It should be rendered as if the scroll bar was there.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:26 AM by Richard
Here are my complaints:

The placement of the menustrip breaks Microsoft's recommendations for Windows XP and makes Internet Explorer 7 look ugly. Please place the menu strip at the very top of the window like it is in Internet Explorer 6 and in Firefox.

I absolutely hate the design of the context menus. The tab context menu is designed in such a way that I find myself closing important tabs as I am used to Firefox's "new tab" option being at the top. I rarely use the context menu to close a tab (I middle click) so that option would be best at the bottom of a tab.

When I highlight, right click on a word and do a Google search it is not opened in a new tab, and I lose all existing work (such as what I am typing now which I have typed 4 times already) in any text boxes. Internet Explorer should open a new tab and remember what was in the text boxes.

Internet Explorer 7 at the very least fails to produce a discernable face in the Acid 2 test:

http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html#top

Please fix at least some of the bugs so that a face appears and the whole thing is not red.

Tabs are not drag and droppable and it does not seem as if much usability testing was done in the interface prior to Beta 2.

At the very least, could you integrate something along the lines of Firefox's Adblock Plus and Tabbrowser Preferences extensions. Adblock Plus functionality (and hopefully compatibility) would make pages load faster and make things less annoying. Tabbrowser Preferences functionality would make Internet Explorer 7 easier to use. If implemented, well thought out default preferences would be nice. And if you are not willing to integrate something like AdBlock Plus, at least make sure that it is possible for a third party to write it and integrate the settings in Firefox's Tabbrowser Preferences extension. It would make Internet Explorer 7 much more usable.

If the bare minimum of what I have asked for is not in the final release, do not expect me to switch back from Firefox. I doubt many others will too. I must complement you on your implementation of Firefox's Foxpose extension through.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:34 AM by Allan Rasmussen
hasLayout is still an issue, but can still be triggered with the usual height:1%;.
I must admit I'm very disappointed about the rendering, on my website it's almost exactly the same as it is in IE6 - which is not a good thing, as I've been using the underscore hack (which still works when you use it in the element's style-attribute though!) to get IE6 to display it more like Firefox and Opera. The problems are mainly about measurements; letter-spacing, margin and padding. So now I'm implementing more sniffing in order to have IE7 display my site better...

But the UI is nice though! I do have several requests for it though, but mainly I miss an option to place the tab-closing at a static place instead on directly on the tabs, like it is in FF, and it would be really nice if the favicons were displayed on the tabs. And the placing of toolbars is very buggy btw.; using Google's and your's Developer Toolbar as 'extras'.

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:42 AM by Rik Hepworth
Great news that the box model changes prevent IE auto-growing the box if content overflows, but what about support for min-height, min-width, max-height and max-width?

For example, on http://www.corporatehealthconsultancy.com there is a banner graphic running down the left side. To ensure that the banner isn't cropped there is a min-height for the container div of 650px. Works fine in Firefox, Opera, Safari etc. Breaks in IE, but is currently fixed by using the * html hack to provide a height=650px rule for ie only, _relying_ on the expanding box behaviour of IE.

In IE7, however, the layout breaks. The fixed behaviour over * html means that IE7 doesn't see the height=650px rule, but it fails to implement the min-height rule that it ought to.

This is less trivial than it sounds - if you're going to fix your rendering behaviour to prevent the box expanding to fit content, you _must_ give us support for the css rules to manage that behaviour. I'd echo the general call for standards compliance, overall.

On a more positive note, I'm impressed with the improvements to functionality, security and UI - good job!

# re: Please test your sites with IE7

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:42 AM by Dan Whiting
Excellent to see this available ahead of time. I have been looking forward to the RSS functions, and am impressed by how they appear in the interface. The one suggestion I have is to have the new posts for a feed appear below the feed title in the list of feeds. It seems that would be helpful to quickly scan what updates are available rather than going to each site.

Keep up the great work!