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A New Look for IE

Hello, I’m Max Stevens, and I recently joined the IE team as a Program Manager working on the user experience. In anticipation of our next major pre-release of IE, I’d like to give an overview of some of the great work we’ve done in the UI, especially a lot of the progress we’ve made since Beta 1. For more in depth looks at specific features mentioned here, Jeremy, Aaron, Jane and others will be posting soon.

Main Browsing UI

One of the most obvious changes since Beta 1 is in the toolbar area. We focused on building a smaller, more compact UI that exposes only the most commonly used features, saving space for the content and tab areas. Here’s a screen shot:

Main Browsing Menu

Overall, the key is how the graphics have been cleaned up:

  • The forward and backward buttons are now visually grouped with updated colours to increase contrast and pop out a little better.
  • We heard the feedback on the stop button - the stop button is now back!
  • The refresh and go buttons have been combined and is now grouped with the stop button to the right of the address bar.
  • Favourites have been moved to the left hand side under the forward back buttons, with "Add new favourite" now easily accessible from the main frame.
  • Tabs have seen many improvements, among them that it’s much easier to see which tab is currently active.

Menus

The Command Bar, which appears to the right of the tabs area, is the new main interface to all of IE’s functionality. With it we have built a new command interface that focuses on getting the common tasks done quickly. The top level buttons include:

  • A new home page menu to make it easy to manage your homepage tab group.
  • A printing menu. Printing and print preview has been much improved, including a new "shrink to fit" option – no more wide pages that are cut off when printed!
  • Feed discovery. This button lights up to show a feed has been discovered for the current webpage. This is just one of the many new features added to feeds.

Command Bar

With the Command Bar providing the common browsing commands, we hid the File/Edit/View menu by default. With only two rows of UI elements on by default, the webpage area is maximized vertically to allow you to see as much of the webpage as possible. If you’re used to the old menu structure and wish to display them, it’s easily done either by navigating Tools->Toolbars->Classic Menu, or by simply tapping the "Alt" key. Responding to feedback from you, it now appears above the tabs.

The traditional menus will appear by default if, when you install the Beta 2 Preview, you had a toolbar installed in IE 6. You can still customize the positioning of these toolbars with the File/Edit/View menus, although they cannot at the moment share the same horizontal row as the command bar. If you find the File/Edit/View menu on by default after installing IE 7, I encourage you to hide them and try out the Command Bar!

File/Edit/View

Search

The search box has undergone many improvements from Beta 1, including our new search discovery capability. Similar to feed discovery, sites can now advertise search providers, making it much easier for users to perform searchs on sites straight from the IE frame without first having to navigate to that site. An upcoming post will provide details on how sites can advertise their own search, but in the mean time you can get a list of search providers you might want to install from here.

Search

Favourites Center

New since Beta 1 is the Favourites Center:

Favourites Center

This is a single location where you can access all of your favourites, RSS feeds, and browsing history. It expands out for quick access, or can be pinned in place for frequent access. One great feature here is the ability to quickly open an entire folder of favourites or feeds as a group of tabs – just click on the blue arrow next to the folder name.

Quick Tabs

Another really cool feature added since Beta 1, Quick Tabs displays thumbnails of each open tab allowing for fast switching amongst them.

Quick Tabs

Tab Improvements

The user experience for tabs has been improved in many ways. For example, we acted on feedback from you to add a close button directly on the tab itself.

Tab Improvements

My Favourite Feature

What’s my favourite feature in the new IE?  I’m an old Office hound myself, and so I really love to see Zoom. Available from the bottom right of the main browse window, this acts like it does in Word or Excel – it enlarges or reduces the entire page (text and graphics) to a specific zoom setting.

Zoom

There are many changes we’ve made since Beta 1 and we’re always looking to hear feedback on what you think, so as you start to become familiar with the new look and read a little bit more in depth about the UI changes in coming days, please keep the feedback coming, eh? 

 - Max

PS Seeing as how I’m from Canada, I’m still trying to get the mis-spelling of the word “favourite” throughout the product fixed. Perhaps for our Beta 2 release.

Published Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:22 PM by ieblog

Comments

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:29 PM by mabster
Hi Max,

I installed IE7 last night, and I'm loving it.

I'm a big user of Alt+A to get to my favourites, and I was pleased to see that that shortcut still works ... except it still uses the old menu structure rather than the new Favorites Center. Is there away to make the Favorites Center a bit more keyboard-accessible?

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:34 PM by Ron
So far so good!

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:50 PM by Neil Hammond
What is the reasoning behind diverging from common GUI conventions? Usability principles tell us that our interfaces should be consistent and appeal to the knowledge the user is likely to know. If you go against these principles, you should have a good reason for it. For instance, not only do you hide the menubar (and then replicate it with toolbar buttons with pull-down menus), when it is unhidden it's not at the top of the window. Both of these goes against years of user expectation and experience. And for what benefit? It doesn't appear to give any obvious usability advantages. I know this won't be the final interface but, in my option, it looks like the interface is being changed with little thought about usability and making change for changes sake.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:02 PM by Dark Phoenix
Anyone notice that IE7 sticks a ton of whitespace above the first picture in the blog?

# Feedback

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:07 PM by Ross
My own personal thoughts:

Don't do a Media Player, just put the File/Edit back in its rightful place. It's not innovative, and I don't see a reason for breaking UI conventions.

Put the Stop and Refresh together with the forward back. All of these buttons are often used in combinations together.

Make the Stop button look like a stop button, not a close button.

Command bar is another new UI element for mom and pop to deal with. Please don't do an Office either! ;)

But apart from that, nice...

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:10 PM by Steve
Just wanted to say the IE 7 is very good, but not great, yet. It would be great if all portions of the toolbar were moveable. Also, I always use the links bar and I would like to request that is doesn't disappear in full-screen.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:12 PM by Mitchel Tyrell
I always considered stop and refresh to be part of the web browsers navigation (as well as 'home'). Is there any chance that IE will allow users to place those buttons back to positions which they were placed in IE6. I can understand that you are trying to simplify, but it is really a turn off for people accustomed to the traditional button layout.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:20 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Dark Phoenix "Anyone notice that IE7 sticks a ton of whitespace above the first picture in the blog?"

This only happens when the window isn't wide enough to show the sidebar and the image side-by-side... the image gets "pushed" down to under the sidebar.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:20 PM by Tony M
Mr. Hammond has a good point about the menubar.

Also, In my opinion space is being wasted on top still. I'm not a big fan of tabbed browsing so I have it disabled. What i'm left with is the oversized address box on top and the 2nd line beneath with favorites, add/subscribe and the button drop downs. If I could i'd make the address box resizable horizontally and allow for the 2nd row to be dragged up and docked on the right side after the address/search boxes and locked. Also, forward and back buttons should be an option at this point. I and i'm sure plenty others have a five button ms intellimouse, by default buttons 4/5 navigate me back/forth. I don't need the buttons too.

Otherwise, It looks pretty nice and I agree on the zoom feature :) What's funny is I've been using IE since it's inception and just recently I learned about holding ctrl and rolling the mouse wheel to change font size!(and now zoom :) )

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:23 PM by Nick Hanson
http://spaces.msn.com/nhanson/blog/cns!8FA84D9B0831F62A!446.entry

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:48 PM by RWF
Yes, lets just forget doing anything adventurous, or inovative because it goes against "common GUI conventions". :rolleyes: I forget, that is why FireFox has so many extensions to customize the UI.

Now for my review: Awesome.

Cookie Management: Awesome
Quick Tabs: Very Very Cool
UI: Good (could be better), but thanks for removing the useless buttons 95% of users never touch.

Needs Work: Tab management. Suggestion 1: add Close Tab to right click. Suggestion 2: Better Navigation through.....GESTURES GESTURES GESTURES! ;-)

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:53 PM by John Fuqua
What the heck happened to the email icon in the toolbar, I and many others I'm sure would like to be able to access our Outlook Express email from any webpage we may happen to be at, other than that IE 7 is nice but does have a ways to go before its ready for primetime.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:59 PM by Dan Dean
The new UI is pretty frustrating. First, the UI should be entirely customizeable, just like every other browser on the market already is.

2nd, the "classic menu" should not be done away with. Every single widely used application has the menu on the top, IE should too. I couldn't find it at all until I installed the Developer toolbar, which for some reason turned the "classic menu" on when it was turned on.

3rd, I've always hated this about IE, when I remove a favorite, give me an option to stop that stupid dialogue asking me if I'm SURE I want to remove it. That message get REALLY old after deleting just 3 favorites.

4th, as mentioned above, the stop button looks wierd. I had no idea what it was until I read Ross' comment above. Why not just combine it with the refresh button, since you never need the two at the same time, and put it next to the Forward and Back buttons like we're used to?

5th, and this is for the Web Developer Toolbar developers, why is that toolbar a fixed width, and why does that fixed width contain so much empty space on the right? The toolbar should act like all other IE toolbars, when there's not enough room the menu's should dissappear and be available from the little double arrow menu.

Thanks for the improved css support though! :first-child seems to finally be working!

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:03 PM by Andy
how come google is not on your list of search providers :-P

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:12 PM by Mark M
First impressions of IE7 UI is that it looks like it was put together as an afterthought.The menubar location is just plain annoying and I can see absolutely no reason for it being where it is. I prefer the IE6 interface although IE isnt my primary browser. The anti-phishing site checking slowed down browsing on a dial-up connection to painful levels(Yes I did switch it off). Overall there was nothing that I have seen at this stage that is a standout feature that would make me change back from my current browser.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:14 PM by John A. Bilicki III
The Good...
- The pictures of the stop/go/refresh buttons are a good idea.
- The tab preview kicks some major ass.
- You folks added some other cool features that can be accessed from the GUI.
- TAB features are visibly present (and will actually be used by the common person) versus Firefox's default GUI (insert Carlos Mencia du-du-duh sound here).
- X button on each TAB, thank you!
- Cross browser consistency with RSS feed icon.

The Bad...
- Top to bottom English reading and writing suggests the website I am visiting has precedence over my browser.
- Inability to move most of the GUI features besides the on/off toggle.

The Ugly...
- Absolutely NO consistency!
- Consolidate people!

Time for some mad paint skills to help give some focus on the GUI layout...

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:23 PM by Mike Dunn [MVP]
First off, kudos for working with my IE toolbar plugin. :)

I'll toss my hat in on the Refresh/Stop buttons - they should be next to Back/Forward.

I like the dropdown arrow next to Back/Forward, but it took me a minute to figure out what the menu was showing me. It seems like some label is needed there to distinguish it from the list of tabs.

The way that the controls are spread out (not just Refresh/Stop, but everything) seems counter-productive to me. Some browser controls are in the top-left, some in the top-right, some to the left of the tabs, some to the right of the tabs... I'd prefer to have the tabs on their own row, with nothing else (except maybe the quick tabs button). Then have the toolbars currently on the tab row in their own row. That would make 3 rows of widgets instead of 2, but I think it's worth it because I get a lot of use out of the tabs, and want to have them separated from the other toolbars.

I don't find the way the Favorites Center shows feeds useful. I like FF's system, where a feed is a submenu in Bookmarks that has one item per feed entry. The current system, where a Feed bookmark takes you to a page that shows everything, isn't how I ever would read a blog.

Being able to reorder tabs by dragging (like in FF 1.5) would be nice. ;)

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:24 PM by Kevin Navia
Tried turning off themes... the interface and tabs looks really ugly.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:27 PM by Matt
Hey guys, overall I'm impressed with what I've seen of IE 7 so far.

I just wanted to echo several of the comments seen seen so far and add a few of my own.

* The stop button should be a stop sign, or at least a page with an "X" like the IE6 icon. As it is, the X does look like "Close" instead of "Stop".

* Let us move the toolbars and address bar. Right now I have a huge wasted space between the tabs and the new toolbar where the classic menus could sit.

* Thank you for separating Stop and Refresh buttons.

* Give us more flexibility with the "Send this page" option. Right now, with Outlook at least, it brings the contents of the HTML into the new message. Not good for several reasons. First, it usually mucks up the design. Second, I almost always want to send a PLAIN TEXT LINK, especially for pages with query parameters (aka http://url?page=something). How about making a submenu for "Send this page" with two options: "Send a link to this page in an e-mail" and "Send the contents of this page in an e-mail"?

* Quick Tabs is a cool feature, but the images look strange sometimes. For example, look at the MSN home page in this view; some of the images are stretched, cut off, etc.

All in all, great work. Especially kudos for following a number of standards and working with Mozilla, A9, and others. Can't wait to see future builds!

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:27 PM by Jason
Ditto to Neil Hammond's comment. Is this how applications are going to work in Vista? If so, why? I can appreciate updating a UI for usability, but changing things just to look "fresh and innovative" doesn't appeal to the users in your largest market (corporate users). Stick with what's expected, at least on the WinXP version. I suppose you can break the rules in Vista if you want, but someone remind the UI people that consistency with legacy UIs should be a higher priority than copying [insert competing product]'s features or appearance. Maybe the marketing people are saying otherwise, but all the marketing in the world can't make a cheap imitation into a great product.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:38 PM by IE7
First, thanks for all the hard work you are putting into this new version of IE.
There are somethings that I would like to be a bit different in the layout though of the UI.
I am fine with you hiding the menubar, but when it is unhidden it would be nice if it went to the top or at least gave a person the option to move it to the top. For me it "breaks" the feel of the browser. Navbigation, url, tabs go to gether, putting the menu between them just doesn't feel right, but I may grow use to it after some time who knows :)
Next is the spliting of the back/foward and the refresh/stop. Trying new things is good, but if you want to use a combination of these buttons it takes more mouse motion.
I personally feel that as many of the controls as possible should be near each other, esp. if people may want to use them together.
For those who want a one button click close, use your MIDDLE(scroll) button. (If you have mouse softwareinstall, for example logitech mouseware, you may have to change a setting to get the scroll click to work correctly as a middle button but it is not hard to fix) This works in IE7 and in Firefox. The r-button should and does bring up a context menu in both.
I knew what the stop button was, but after reading the comments and looking at it, I do agree that it looks more like the window close button, and may cause some people to not realize what it is.

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:52 PM by jace
1. Please put the Feeds icon to the right of the plus sign for adding Favorites.

2. Please put stop and refresh back by the Back/Forward buttons, same order as in IE6.

3. Please let us adjust the search field width.

3. Why isn't the IE 7 icon on the Start Menu consistent with the look everywhere else?

5. Please make the stop button actually look like a "Stop" button, not a "Close" button.

6. OK, consistency. WHY is it that the new search icon in IE 7 is a blue background with a silver/gray magnifiying glass, while the Search Icon On the Windows toolbar has a yellowish handle, while the new Windows Desktop Search Enterprise tool has a blue handle with a silver tip, while in Outlook 2003, the search icon magnifying glass has an icon resembling that of the Start Menu? Sigh..., for Search to start working as it should for the average user, shouldn't you stick to a common theme?

7. Also, when I middle click something from the Favorites Center, please let the floating pane stay open until the mouse leaves the region. Chances are quite good that someone who is middle clicking a Feed or Favorite is going to click some more :-D

8. Keep up the good work, I'm sure that just a few more tweaks could make this a phenomenal release....

# re: A New Look for IE

Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:58 PM by Ralesk
Innovative, but unfortunately very chaotic at the same time.

And knowing some people’s (well, myself included) browsing customs — we absolutely need all the space we can get on the monitor for the tabs.

Please make sure the GUI can be fully customised, and especially that the tab row can be made less cluttered with buttons.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 AM by Tom Stack
As a user I need to either be able to customize or make my UI and toolbars look like IE 6. Also comes the issue that some of the buttons and ui look of IE 7 public beta look too much like they belong in VISTA. Yes I know vista is the next version of windows and so on but the XP version should look like it belongs in XP not like it was just kind of ripped and ported from Vista. And of course in vista it looks fine but with royale or luna it looks to out of place.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:10 AM by Dark Phoenix
> @Dark Phoenix "Anyone notice that IE7 sticks a ton of > whitespace above the first picture in the blog?"

> This only happens when the window isn't wide enough to > show the sidebar and the image side-by-side... the
> image gets "pushed" down to under the sidebar.

My resolution was 1024 by 768. I'm not sure if it's really a float issue or not..

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:16 AM by Jim Lee
Whats happened to the "temporary Internet" folder. I have always put it in C:\. In "tools" it shows it there but it's not. A search shows it clear down about 4 layers under "default user". When I try to move it in "Tools" back to C:\ nothing happens. In properties on the folder it has a blanked out hidden checked.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:21 AM by Kishan
1. The tabs & quick tabs are great.
2.The scroll bar in quick tabs view still has the old Windows 95 look!!!!
3.The stop button looks like the close buttun which is really wiered & it might confuse some users.
4.since you have the semi-menu-toolbar combo on the right corner you might as well add all the fuctionality there and remove the menus COMPLETELY.The Office teal has Done a good job with the menus but it looks like you guys can't seem to make up your mind. With the current config (toolbar menu and the hidden traditional menu)it's really confusing to find some command witch are only in the HIDDEN menu
5.Some icons looks "glass" some look like "XP" some icons have boarders and some dont.Please try to use a consistant UI.(theme the icons?)
6.It's a great browser and I've already dumped firefox!!

# Advice for screenshot images in blogs

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:24 AM by Edge
JPEG is evil for screenshots. Always use PNG/24 (that is, truecolor PNG, not the palletized 8-bit PNG); your screenshots will look better, and your readers will have an easier time viewing your content. You'll thank me later!

That is all. =)

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:28 AM by AC
Wow, just how many PM's are there in the IE team? I think you guys have done a good job with this release of IE. Leaving the stop, refresh buttons alone was a good thing, and you managed to make the Go button dissapear at the same time :) Though I don't use IE besides at work this is a good thing, and hopefully Opera and Firefox can gain some insights too (rather than the other way around).

# Developer

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:30 AM by Brent Yager
I absolutely love the "sticky" favourites! I really appreciate the fact I can remove the Links toolbar and leave the important links folder open in my favourites. I can then close the Favorites Center, open it, go to RSS, etc. and come back to my favourites and the same directory is still open. Lovin' it!

Keep up the good work!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:35 AM by ライブハウス
I am expecting it.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:52 AM by Nelson Clemente
I'd love to see favourite spelt correctly. I think the part that annoys me the most about Microsoft products, is the use of US English! (Coming from Australia myself)

-Nel

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:54 AM by Fred Barnes
Two things:

1. I wish the Refresh button was next to the forward/back buttons. I often use these buttons in combination, and now I have to move the mouse across the entire application. Any way you could let me place those buttons?

2. Tabs. I wish there was an option to auto-refresh the content when I click on one. I find it bothersome to select Refresh from the drop down menu and more importantly I find myself doing it almost every time I click a tab.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:57 AM by Nathan Littel
To be honest, completely unimpressed with the lack of configurability with the toolbars. Why not give us the ability to move absolutely everything? Doesn't it make sense for the arrows and stop/refresh to all be in the same place instead of having to move your mouse miles?

Sure it all looks pretty, but functionality is completely lost.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:05 AM by redxii
Customizability is the key word. Not just what icons you can select for toolbar X or Y.

- Add or remove any toolbar. If I don't want that new menu, let me remove it. If I don't want the search box, let me remove it. And so on.
- Move any toolbar anywhere (except tabs). If I want to move something up, or down, let me do it. If I want to put the classic menu back at top, let me do it. If I want to put the address bar just above the tabs, let me do it. So on and so forth.
- Nothing should be lined up with the tabs. Maybe it is just me, but nothing should be on the same line as the tabs including that new menu. OR just the new menu should not be there. See first point about not being able to remove most things.
- The top corners of the tabs need rounding, because they are not with Windows Classic. Just a stickler for detail.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:07 AM by Ocellated
I'm glad to see some improvements in IE 7, but there are still some things that need work.

I hate to be mean, but I already dispise your new UI.

First off, the command bar is virtually useless. You say it's simplified because it has less options...

I say it breaks the normal UI for every webbrowser since the beginning.

PUT BACK THE MENUS BY DEFAULT, AND PLACE THEM RIGHT BELOW THE TITLE BAR OF THE WINDOW.

And make <em>everything</em> draggable. The user should be able to reorder things.

Allow the user to turn off the command bar. No, no, no. Just get rid of the command bar completely. It's a new interface that adds tons of confusion.

I also want an entire line for my tabs to span across, without having some element like the command bar in the way.

ABOVE ALL, DO NOT deliver a better browser under the hood than IE 6 with a worse UI, that can't be tweaked to accomodate the user's layout preferences.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:20 AM by Ocellated
I've realized some things I forgot to add.

First, the tab thumbnails is the <em>coolest</em> thing in the UI. It's a very nice feature.

Now back to my disappoints.

As everybody's saying, the buttons need to be grouped together. The arrows, home, the refresh and stop.

I do not understand the way the drop down arrows are showing next to the big Back and Forward arrows. I should have little arrows for both Back and Forward. I'm only seeing one small black arrow, next to the Forward button. This is very confusing.

You've GOT to allow for tabs to be dragged and dropped, to reorder them. Otherwise, organizing the tabs you have open can be extremely frustrating!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:28 AM by Adnan Siddiqi
What's new for developers?It would be nice to provide some easy to write code for making IE toolbars and Bands

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:39 AM by PatriotB
Nelsen Clemente: Interestingly, Michael Kaplan wrote a blog entry today about sublanguage-specific localization: http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2006/02/01/521864.aspx. Sounds like it comes down to "better to spend efforts first on localizing for completely separate languages before worrying about sublanguages."

# response from a disgruntled (former) firefox user

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:45 AM by Jeremy B
Okay so firefox has totally dropped the ball and I'm giving IE another chance.

I will say I am absolutely delighted with 7b2.

Likes:

-TABBED BROWSING. thank GOD you guys got it exactly right! close button on the tab is crucial.
-COMPACT BAR. I hate a billion cluttery things consuming window space. way to go on downsizing the bar.

Areas for improvement:

-REFRESH/STOP placement. put it next to the forward and back buttons PLEASE!!!. having to mouse accross the screen just slows things down.

nothing else comes to mind right now. really loving this release. you've won me back, for the time being.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:53 AM by Nelson Clemente
PatriotB: Yes I see your point. The thing is, the same thing happens for continental Portuguese (which is really my native language)... Brazilian Portuguese is often used instead of its 'original' version? Why can't the same be applied to English? The question is, why are efforts first on localising (notice the s? :P) for completely separate 'sub languages'?

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:53 AM by Rano
I think the simple solution is to just allow us to customize the placement of the buttons (not just the bars).

I haven't used Beta 1 so I don't know if it existed there too but is there a reason the tabs change sizes when it's only taking up a fraction of the space? Even when I open up just two tabs, it splits the original tab size in half instead of using the ocean of space to the right. A bug perhaps? I'm on a 1280x1024 resolution.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 AM by Roy from Toronto
Mostly I use Firefox (sorry ;) ). But I find RSS feeds awkward, namely difficulty arranging them. I use about 100 different feeds, but would love to see them easily grouped, for example, in folders. So I would have a folder named SPORTS, subfolder named HOCKEY, and all my hockey related feeds there.

Better yet, develope a totally customizeable UI for RSS feeds only, ala MyYahoo, just not web based, but browser based instead. Similar to the idea of using the Favourites as a starting page, lets get a similar thing going for RSS feeds. Where I can group similar feeds, maybe even use different fonts or colours for sports, vs news vs blogs vs whatever else I want see. I love Firefox, but I will use whatever I think is best, and IE7 is looking pretty nice right now too ;)

Thanks
RDS

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:23 AM by Roy from Toronto
And while I am brainstorming (yes, too late for IE7 most likely), why do we have 2 fields in the toolbar (one for web addresses and another for search engines). The way I see it, you can do this with one field. Use the GO button to go to web address, use a "Search engine" button (with drop down menu to choose your engine (similar to what you have done with the "Home" button/sub menu. And a 3rd button for searching on the page, basically the FIND command (or just add it to the drop down menu for search engines-just like you have now, tho I prefer the dedicated button). So you would have ONE text field, type in an address and hit GO button, or type in a term (eg Maple Leafs) and hit either the Browswer button, or the "find in webpage" button.

Thanx again,
RDS

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:25 AM by steven ye
I wish the stop button should look like real stop button.

I wish the search box may remember what I typed before to avoid retype same words every time.

It is ok the current location of refresh, stop and lock, phishing, IDN buttons.

Also, I agreed that all buttons(refresh, stop, lock, phishing, IDN etc.) above move left side of address bar.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:39 AM by Steven
Opera combines Refresh with Stop. I think that's a lot better because then u get rid of the GO button completely (if the user wishes to do so).

btw, re-shuffling toolbars and stuff doesn't constitute innovation. in fact, I wish u guys would stop doing so much of that and just let me customize it. you really should be thinking of USEFUL features - like Opera does (notes, session saving, the trash can, click-rolling, etc. etc. etc.).

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:55 AM by lexp
1. Please add shortcuts for switching between tabs. In Firefox/Mozilla shortcuts are Ctrl+PageDown and Ctrl+PageUp.

2. Please make new toolbar on the right (with Page, Tools... icons) fully draggable.

3. Next/Previous buttons have very strange behavior: they are not "pressed" when I click on them.

4. Search on favorites will be VERY valuable.

5. Print Preview is still SLOW

6. Please add slider for zooming (I want to have both menu with predefined zoom ratios and special button: when I click on it menu becomes slider).

7. Page is visible on "Quick tabs" only when it is fully loaded. It will be great to view page during the load process.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:58 AM by SurrealLogic
I'm really impressed with the IE7 Beta 2. I'm enjoying it more the more I use it.

Some comments:
-The tabbed browsing is implemented quite cleanly. Sometimes the 'Open in new tab' context menu item disappears for me, but I think that it's a bug I've reported. The quick tabs screenshots and drop down are both quite nice.
-I don't mine the refresh and stop being on the right. They might be more useable as a single refresh/stop button, or two buttons, but I think it's more natural for them to be BETWEEN the forward and back arrows. They're not as bad as everyone is whinning about being on the right. Nor is the history. Once discovered it works like a cahrm.
-I really like the forward, back, search, and refresh icons. The stop is a tad off (how about a red glassy icon like the forward and back, with a white X?).
-I don't like the overloading of the favorites with RSS feeds. I'd much rather the RSS icon be moved over next to the star and the plus. Also, the + tooltip of 'Add/Subscribe' feels too close to the way you add a feed. I keep finding myself adding sites to favorites when I mean to add their RSS feeds.
-I have found the aggregator to show me the last 20 posts across all my feeds, for instance. I'm not saying for sure that it's not there, I just can't find it.
-The home icon is a little dull. This is one of the COOLEST things I've found so far - the ability to set multiple homepages for when I start up the browser. There are problems though! Specifically not being able to reorder the list!!! Very annoying.
-The printers icon... I don't hardly ever print. What about the ability to customize these icons so I don't have to keep passing over this?
-Ctrl + Mouse wheel, and zooming in general - I'm not sure if I like this feature or absolutely hate it. Lots of sites that render nicely for different text sizes by using the 'em' unit size break under zooming. And is it really necessary to have both? Is having the two separately to provide me with the functionality to view huge text and tiny images or something? I'm not sure that it's necessary to have both.
-Hiding the classic menu by default is good. Good UI should be moving more towards what you're doing with IE7. Someone mentioned earlier that you were taking the focus from the browser to the page being viewed, as if that was a bad thing! The UI is getting simpler to use, and cleaner to find things in. Very nice improvements.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:02 AM by SurrealLogic
erm, I meant I hadn't found the aggregator. And please forgive my spelling - it's late. :)

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:06 AM by whinger
IEBlog, please ignore requests to change the placement of stop and refresh buttons. I like the new design, it's simple and makes a great deal of sense given the way windows is moving with Vista (ie navigation apps). My mother does not understand the concept of Stop and Refresh, but Back and Forward isn't too taxing for her (with encouragement of course).

I also liked the original design that combined the refresh and stop buttons, but alas it has gone. Luckily it's not life-threatening.

To those pretend GUI experts complaining about refresh and stop, it is a MINOR ISSUE. Can we have something more constructive please? If you're so concerned about your decline in productivity learn to use <esc> and <f5> instead.


# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:15 AM by PatriotB
A while back, after IE7 Beta 1 was released, I posted the following in the the MSDN Vista UI Development forum:

"I noticed that DirectUser is used to implement the tabs in Internet Explorer 7 on Windows XP. I'm not a lawyer, but I would say that IE making use of this API requires it to be documented according to the antitrust consent decree."

Raymond Chen replied with "Internet Explorer's use of DUSER.DLL is only temporary. The final version of Internet Explorer will not use it."

Well, when I checked out the latest preview, I noticed a new file named IEUI.DLL. Immediately, I knew what it was. I used Dependency Viewer to check out its exported APIs and yep, it's essentially a clone of DirectUser. All to avoid having to document and support it.

Let's just say I'm a bit disappointed with this decision. It's complying to the "letter" with the settlement requirement, but certainly not the "spirit." IE still has an unfair advantage over other apps because it gets to use (a private clone of) a set of undocumented Windows APIs. (MSN Messenger also uses a private clone of DirectUser APIs.)

Yes, I know that WPF is the future of user interface technology in Windows. But there's still a need to create flexible interfaces in unmanaged code. It would be great if DirectUser could be documented for all to use. Or, give us its source code in the same way that the IE team got its source code to make its own private copy.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:20 AM by Snow
I'm haven't used this beta much yet, but my initial impressions are very favourable.
I like that the menu is hidden by default, and I like the way the new dropdowns have been done. Things I agree with about the comments here so far, though, are that the classic menu should definitely be at the top when it does show up, and that the refresh button should be at the navigation buttons.
I really like the search box, and I really like that it is separate from the address box. I, and I'm sure a lot of other people as well, almost never actually click on the search or go buttons, but rather just type in the address or search into the relevant box and press enter. Combining the two boxes would mean that you can't do that any more, you would have to actually click the search button for a search, which would be incredibly irritating.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:34 AM by Chris McDannold
Why does the "Home" button open two new tabs? If I click this button, it *should* just reload the tab(s) I have set for my home pages. Otherwise, I end up with an ever increasing number of tabs.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:34 AM by Chris
...well, I think I will continue to use Firefox...

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:35 AM by TC
I think there are some good ideas behind the IE7 interface but it remains unfinished.

Just as is the case with Windows Media Player, hiding the Classic Menu without replacing 100% of the functionality of it in the regular UI, and then having an option for it to pop up out of nowhere, makes no sense at all. If you want to get rid of the Classic Menu, fine -- but really get rid of it!

What if Office 12 decided to keep the classic menu and toolbar structure lying around, and it would pop out whenever anyone pressed Alt or needed an obscure item that didn't make it into the new UI? That would defeat the purpose of having the new UI at all. The Office 12 team has decided to completely replace the old menu structure, and they got it right.

It's not better or easier for anyone in any way when there are 2 completely different ways to access most of the same features in the same product.

Furthermore, power users need the ability to truly customize the UI. You've provided a completely customizable UI since 1997; why change it now? I want my toolbar to look like this:

back - forward - stop - refresh - home - address bar - search bar
tab bar

I'm not saying you should make this default. I'm saying you need to make this a choice.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:39 AM by dh
The new UI is pretty sweet. A few things that I posted on after the first IE7 beta have been done! Cool! Here's a few more comments.

* The new UI is very pretty under 'Windows XP style' display but under 'Windows Classic style' it's a bit of a disaster visually. I run a team of 10 developers and they all use classic! Any chance of someone tidying it up a bit before the next beta / final version?

* I think the go / refresh, stop, search icons all need a bit of thought. They're not bad, but as someone who is obsessed with good UI and good icons, I'm hoping there'll be something neater in the next version.

* I'm sure you guys already have a secret plan on this one - the development community REALLY needs this to be pushed out to as many users as possible, as quickly as possible. Previous browser upgrades have taken up to 5 years to get to 90% of users, preventing developers from using the cool new technology in the new browser. I think Microsoft Update is the answer!

* I have a weird bug in IE7 b2 on both my machines where a 30px gap keeps appearing between the tabs and the beginning of the page. See screenshot at http://www.forddesktops.com/images/ie7_tab_bug.jpg

* Switching between tabs causes a bit of a jump / flicker in the page which wasn't present in the previous beta. I'm sure you guys are aware of this.

* Please can we have some extra keyboard shortcuts for the new functionality? A shortcut to open the favorites popup is the main thing I need!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:42 AM by Kap
I installed IE 7 beta 2 and then rolled back to IE 6. The bad is that my IE 6 is not working....
it hangs up when I open it....

Not able to guess wht to do....

# Useless breaking of UI conventions = BAD!

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:45 AM by Gaetano Giunta
I fully agree with the points stated in a previous post about useless changes to the UI that will have users confused: do NOT change established usage conventions without a good cause.

WMP is the worst example of such an offending philosophy: trying to outsmart the user, all the standard controls have been shuffled around, with the menu bar hidden by default and little misterious icong thrown around at the four corners of the screen.
What happened to usability testing? I know not a single person that would pick wmp over winamp for all audio reproduction tasks.

==========

Don't do a Media Player, just put the File/Edit back in its rightful place. It's not innovative, and I don't see a reason for breaking UI conventions.

Put the Stop and Refresh together with the forward back. All of these buttons are often used in combinations together.

Make the Stop button look like a stop button, not a close button.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:46 AM by Stan
Hi IE-team,

Great you released this beta 2. I'm quite impressed. I can imagine how complex it is to develop a new browser with all these new features. 'Quick tabs' is really cool!

Some thoughts:

- Like the majority, I think customizable menu's should be necessary (since I like the 'Refresh' and 'Stop' buttons close to 'Back' and 'Forward')

- Be able to create folders in the 'Feeds pane' would be great

- When selecting text in a website it would be useful to see a right click menu option like 'Search [User Prefered Search Engine] for [text that is selected]'. In 7B2 I need to copy the text and paste it again in the search pane. If you would implement this the information worker would achieve higher productivity (and got rid of unnecessary copy/paste actions)!

- Show the 'Close tab' button also when hovering not active tabs (now I need to open a tab to close it, it's just an extra click).

In overall, I expect a lot of the final release. Thanks for providing this Beta 2 and let users comment on it on your blog!

Regards,

Stan.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:49 AM by Lord_Asriel
Make a way, to make sure that, when you view and webfeed(rss), you are sure that it is 100% updated. Right now I have to times view a feed witch is outdated!
As I see it there is to ways to fix it:
1. Make an 'Refresh all' button a the rss panel.
2. Force IE to load the feed from the web, when it is viewed. Or at least make it check that is it the newest content.

Keep up the good work, guys!

# Take maxthon as a lesson

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:49 AM by yoni
Take maxthon as your oracle and try to make the engine as safe as firefox, make the gui and functionality as good as maxthon, and make it possible for the user to make the explorer as much flexible as you can - ie. skin, plugins ans so on..

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:54 AM by dh
"Show the 'Close tab' button also when hovering not active tabs (now I need to open a tab to close it, it's just an extra click)."

Middle click a link or favorite to open it in a new backgrund tab, middle click any tab to close it. Personally, I love using this technique and it keeps the UI really clean!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:02 AM by Martin Kliehm
It took me several minutes to find the reload button, and I didn't notice the stop button until I read this post. I'd rather have them grouped together with the forward and back buttons. That's the interface design I have learned through the years, and it's the same in any browser - except IE7, which breaks the user experience.

Also I'd perefer to move the home-rss-tools-bar to a place where I like and have the extras-bar (font-size, zoom, etc.) visible all the time. It would be a nice enhancement to allow customization and movement of these items.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:08 AM by Steven
I like the improvements to the rendering engine, most of the tabbed browsing and the RSS reader.

Like many previous commenters, I'll say I don't like the interface very much. Good grief, it looks ugly. Still, I'm sure you'll come up with a better look for the final version.

My main gripes with the UI are these two:
- Standard menu bar, please.
- The drop-down list next to the "forward" button, when its contents will more often be used to go "back". Should probably be in between the "back" and "forward" buttons, given its functionality. I like the thing itself, it's just in the wrong place.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:15 AM by Patrick
This is totally non-interface involved, but I tried installing IE7 beta and it didn't take. It gives a ""The procedure entry point InternetGetSecurityInfoByURLW could Not be located in
the dynamic link library WININET.dll." error and never starts. I really want this working on my main box. Is there a work around? I've tried unistalling and reinstalling, but that didn't work either. Any advice?

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:15 AM by Joana
I really like the new UI...it is so easy to use..
And you people who are here just to criticize...get a life!!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:25 AM by Dan
look like FF...same old microsoft attitute.
Anyway great job 'bout graphics, well done guys!
Don't like RSS feeds management. Could you provide some kind of toolbar or alert when a new feed incomes (ex Feed Reader)?
Overall 7 on 10
Ease of use 9.5 on 10
Graphics 10 on 10
Penguin world likeness 11 on 10

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:28 AM by CD
Dude, where's Google?

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:33 AM by Chris
I think you can make the zoom-feature better. If one zooms a page with a width given in percent, it grows broader than the viewport. That is not very comfortable, since one has to scroll horizontally.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:37 AM by dh
I agree on the zoom - in other browsers that have this feature the browser width is still the maximum size available to the page. So a 1000px width browser becomes a 500px width browser at 200%. Horizontal scrolling is just bad... always has been, always will be! ;-)

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:56 AM by Tim
Great improvements, but:

The 'Stop' and 'Reload' buttons should really be next to the 'Back' and 'Forward' buttons.
The buttons could use some touching up also.

Please make it possible to open a local drive/folder in a tab instead of automatically opening it in a new window. The main reason I stick with IE is because of the seamless integration into WinXP. I need my folders in a tab!

# Read/WriteWeb Daily

Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:58 AM by Read/WriteWeb
- Don't Bounce The Ball Honey (The Redmonk view on Attention, gestural economics and loosely coupled ideas - I think I even got a gesture out of it, although maybe I'm just being vain...) - Roundup of Reactions to Google&amp;rsquo;s...

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:01 AM by Justin Wignall
I was explaining about the new look to my colleague and said 'it's got tabs and the search box i.e. firefox' and realised that that would be a much better name than IE7 - "IE FireFox"

Kidding :) Looks great guys. Good work.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:19 AM by boourns
Is it just me or does this page not display correctly in IE 7??? For me there's a huge white space before the screen shots.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:25 AM by Tony
WMP10 don't work!!!!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:26 AM by Roland
Love QuickTabs, the auto-hiding Favorites center and the Close button on tabs.

Negative:
- Current location of Refresh/Stop buttons will cause users to move their mouse much more often, because they're so far away from the navigation buttons. Suggestion: Put Refresh/Stop back next to the Back/Forward buttons.
- The Refresh, Stop, and Favorites buttons are just too small for ordinary users. Non-geek users will have problems to hit the small area of the new buttons with the mouse. Compare that to a default IE6 under XP! Suggestion: Make these buttons some pixels wider.
- The Refresh/Stop buttons look just ugly. Additionally, the Stop button should not look like an inverse Close button but like a real stop button.
- Visual quality of the Back/Forward buttons is poor. Poorly anti-aliased borders, no feedback on mouse-down, etc.

Otherwise, a great release!
Roland


# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:29 AM by Max C
And while you're at it, it's Favourites Centre, not Favourites Center! Not the best choice of name in terms of consistent worldwide spelling.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:32 AM by Dan
quote Tony
DoD!!! WMP10 NOT working!!!
Do something!
+ blank space b4 ss for me too
+ sorry 'bout multiple post re up (just checking for word filtere words as...maybe Linux or... Firefox ;-))
+ resizing is not an issue for me, got no problems so far

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:39 AM by Mike
Mail button?.....are you out there?....hmmmm

# Don't skin business tools...

Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:49 AM by Jim Ley
Mediaplayer is for home users, it gets skins to make it look pretty.

Word is for business users, it uses the common GUI used throughout the system so it's consistent and quick to use.

It's interesting that you see IE purely as a home user device - what happened to the idea of business services over the internet?

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:01 AM by Xepol
Unlike many, I have had a chance to work with IE 7b1, so I am familiar with many of the UI changes already and I am comfortable with them (and prefer them inspite of the fact that I too originally complained about them!)

A few thoughts, however :

1. We can save tabsets, but can not play them back out (we have to open tabs manually and load them one by one). This is ugly, and not helpful.

2. The Link bar, which can now contain folders is VERY cool. If, however, the button had a drop down box when it was a folder letting us at the sub-items directly and clicking on the button body itself launched ALL the sub items in new tabs -> that would be fantastic and a compliment to the ability to launch tab sets. See how the home page button works for a parallel to what I'm describing.

3. HEY! I never noticed that I could turn off the old full menu bar for the new command bar. VERY NICE! already off!

4. Is it me, or does the search definition for google pass on information about the user's homepage settings? It certain looks like there is something there for that. I definitely consider that to be an invasion of privacy. I've already tweaked my registry so that ONLY the search term is passed along, but others are not so luck, I am sure.

5. It is nice that I can add searches you define, but I find it handy to create my own (tv.com, imdb.com etc) Any chance we'll see the ability to manually add (the internet options dialog does say "ADD", but there is nowhere to add anything).

Finally, THANK YOU for fixing the quick link toobar button size issue. That really drove me nutz. The folders are just icing (which I have already used extensively to group my quick links into an "optimized" type of favorites! News, technews, comics, blogs, Programming stuff etc etc)

Annoyingly, you can't alphabetize inside the quicklink toolbar menu popups. It would be nice to see this eventually, but it isn't a show breaker.

All in all, good work, please release a b3 before final release tho! Maybe a CTP every month of so like vista?

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:02 AM by Kjetil Kristoffer Solberg
Why don't we have a dropdown on the back button? Why do we have to go back one page at a time? This is irritating.

regards
Kjetil Kristoffer Solberg

# Excellent work, only two minor annoyances

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:02 AM by Thomas Lindemans
The new IE is really, really good, taking the best from other browsers like FF and Opera. I disagree with people who do not like the new UI. Sure, it takes some time getting used to, but especially the fact that unnecessary buttons have disappeared and the automatically disappearing favourites bar are really good innovations.

Two things that, in my experience are still crucial:
- Ability to use only 1 instance of IE so that you don't get four instances of IE on your taskbar, each with some tabs.
- Mouse gestures are curcial to me. As I use only a standard two-button mouse, being able to go back-forward, create and close tabs by dragging the mouse is a real time saver.

Otherwise: excellent browser!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:05 AM by Rohit Malik
I would like to see inbuild download manager/password manager/search at the bottom like you see in firefox, something like session saver which should open all tabs as they were if in any case computer or browser shuts down suddenly and RSS Reader should be like a good RSS Reader Application which shows number of new enteries. ; - )

That's it!

Cheers, Rohit

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:05 AM by Matt Z
Good Job well done! I love the way text renders so smoothly.

The zoom feature is awsome, been waiting for this for quite some time. Thanks guys!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:35 AM by Tony
I think thath ie7 is slow...expecially to show images...
I've unistalles ie7 and ie6 is slow too....
I've restored system and now ie6 is fast again...

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:37 AM by Thomas Tallyce
> Perhaps for our Beta 2 release.

Beta 3 release, you mean? Does this mean there is going to be a beta 3 - good!

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:41 AM by Amol
Can't see any new innovative things :(

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:53 AM by nagaraj
The right click on a link does not offer "open in new tab" as an option as described in the help files. it looks like we have to use the <ctrl> <click> on the link to open in a new tab. is this right, or am i having specific problems?

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:11 AM by Lionel
Well, I like it. At first, the new UI was somewhat surprising (no menu?! where is my usual menu bar?), but after a little time it turns out to be a good idea. The command bar is more compact than menus, its items are rather intuitives, and I have yet to find a task that can be done with the menu bar and can't be as easily done with the new command bar.
Once tabs are disabled (I prefer to use multiple windows), the result packs more functionality in the same space as the old UI. This is quite good.

# Shortcut to Display Home Page

Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:12 AM by Ricardo
Like the new font rendering ... looks much more like printed media.

Is there a keyboard shortcut to display the user's default browser home page ? I'd like to press something like Windows+H rather than mouse all the way to the home icon.

A bit like Windows+E displaying File Explorer.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:58 AM by shane
I would gladly sacrifice some of that huge address bar space for a toolbar of links. And also get that silly command bar up into that space too, so the tabs have the full row. Im not too fond of the way the quick tabs button appears and disappears depending on whether you have multiple tabs open or not - it moves the position of all your tabs.

For the same reason you can slam your mouse into the upper right hand corner to close a program, or lower left to hit the start button, it makes sense to have the tabs start at the absolute left, and not move about.

Id also love to see the ability to open shortcuts/favourites/bookmarks into new tabs by default, ala Maxthon. Also, itd be good to be able to 'right-click->open in new tab' from the classic favourites menu (or middle-click - similar to the favourites centre).

Also- there seems to be some inconsitency with regards to 'lock the toolbars', 'lock bands' etc for toolbar locking. The command bar and other toolbars seem to be locking separately.

Plus, itd be good to be able to close a tab even when its the only one open.

Well thats enough feedback for now.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:07 AM by Jimmy Graham
The "Open in new tab" selection in the context menu IS there, but if you have Google toolbar enabled it will disappear. I have the beta of version 4... I haven't tested any others, but I've seen this on two computers. The fix it to hide google toolbar and restart the browser. MSN toolbar does not do this... I'm not sure if it is Google's fault or IE7's.

# Can you explain the new text rendering engine?

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:15 AM by Brian ONeill
Hi folks the beta looks good. I notice that there seems to be a new text rendering engine. Text is smoother or something.

Can you put up a post that explains the new text system?

I notice that the text has also changed in outlook etc, i presume they use IE engine for HTML emails.

Thanks

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:18 AM by Ian
That's great that 'favourites' is going to be spelled correctly. It's got to be one of the most annoying current features...

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:22 AM by Rick Le Feuvre
I downloaded IE 7 yesterday after having used Firefox since it first hit the street. I must admit there are things about IE 7 I quite like. However, there are still two features not in IE 7 that I have come to particularly appreciate in Firefox. The most usefull is that, in Firefox, I can manage my cookies individually and create my own list of sites that are not allowed to pass cookies. The Firefox interface for cookie management is very good and would be a wonderful addition to IE. Also, I typically have several tabs open simultaneously for work related purposes and have installed an extension in Firefox that allows me to drag the tabs into the sequence that best suits me. The second feature I would like to see in IE then, would be the ability to rearrange open tabs.

Thanks,
Rick

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:24 AM by Steve C.
ARGH!!! are you serious? this is your "best" effort thus far?

1.) Separate the Go/Refresh buttons... If I start typing a URL, then decide I want to RELOAD the current page, I can't!!!!!! (SERIOUS BUG)

2.) File menu, at top left, on by default, don't argue, just do it.

3.) GUI elements must be drag-n-dropable, period.

4.) Reload/Stop, must be beside back/forward, all top left, under the file menu.

5.) If you must keep the "mini-tab" to add a new tab, make it the "manilla template" colour, so that users can visually see it ins't an existing tab, but a "new" tab.

6.) The >> chevrons on your menus, indicate that you are trying to cram too much stuff, in too little space.

7.) Stop being childish. Add the Google search engine, and stop pretending that they don't exist, just because they "school" the MSN search like it ain't no thang!

8.) I get seriously confused trying to find "double back" or "double forward" in the new single drop down for back/forward navigation.

9.) Throbber? When I showed this to my employees, the first thing they looked for, was the top-right spinning throbber... wt_?

10.) Tab row... uhm? Am I the only one that typically has 7, or 8, or 15 tabs open? I can't be! This is plain ugly after 3 tabs... horrible!

Back to Firefox, Safari, and Opera I guess! (or Konqie for the Penguin folks) ;-)

# File/Edit

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:30 AM by Steve
"Don't do a Media Player, just put the File/Edit back in its rightful place. It's not innovative, and I don't see a reason for breaking UI conventions." - Agreed, it's the only thing I dislike, and to be honest I dislike it so much I will probably refuse to use this browser if I am not given the option to have the File/Edit where it belongs.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:33 AM by Travis G.
@Ian regardin' Favourites spelling.

As a Canadian, I heartily agree, and can't wait for IE to have the correct spelling of Favorites changed to BOOKMARKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Ugh! When I Bookmark a site, that is info on how to clean out the latest WIN/IE only virus, I don't want to call it my Favourite. Car payment site? nope, Work site? nope, Digg? well, ok, maybe...

To this day (we're talking since IE2.0), this is my #1 gripe with MS. You had to go out of your way, to not use the word "bookmark", because that's what Netscape was using. Even though it was the right word, to describe the task, the item, and everything. ARGH!!!

Does Adobe's PDF's have a favorite feature? no, of course not, they Bookmark something.

When I buy a book, and I want to mark a page, do I "favourite" it? nah, don't think so...

I can only hope, that IE7 will have a registry entry somewhere, to supply the name used for this "item". It would be a minor thing, but man, would it be a good thing, for those of us that have loathed this issue for like 10 years.

# re: A New Look for IE

Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:33 AM by dh
Heh, some people are really hard to please!