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More on Simple List Extensions

There are two posts on the RSS team blog about the use of the Simple List Extensions, which have been implemented by IE7 and the Windows RSS Platform.

The first is Simple List Extensions in action, and it shows examples of live sites (like Amazon.com, eBay and Yahoo) using the RSS extensions to add sorting and filtering capabilities to their feeds.

The second is a longer post on Understanding Lists and SLE, which explains why RSS list feeds are useful and how they work (with diagrams!).

Check them out and let us know what you think in the comments.

 - Sean

Published Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:57 PM by ieblog

Comments

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:37 PM by Grant Hughes
I keep getting a 404 error on all but the Simple List Extension specification page.

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 5:52 PM by ieblog
Try going to them from the blog entry and not from an RSS view...

- Al Billings [MSFT]

# Poor standard made worse non-standard?

Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:19 PM by kL
Oh, why RSS? It's a poor standard abandoned by it's creators.

Maybe you could get involved in development of Atom? That could help push better technology instead of keeping alive and twisting old protocol.

http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/Rss20AndAtom10Compared

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:40 PM by game kid
See my comment on http://blogs.msdn.com/rssteam/archive/2006/03/28/563116.aspx#565304

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 7:55 PM by rss
kL:

The SLE extensions work equally well in Atom (or RSS 1.0, for that matter).

For what it's worth, the RSS standard may not be advanced any further, but people are still using it it in droves.

At the end of the day, users shouldn't have to care what format a publisher chooses to use, so we support all formats.

- Sean [MSFT]

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:04 PM by John A. Bilicki III
While I'm a Firefox user I like the fact that you guys took the (what five minutes?) to ensure that the feed's title is the default name of the feed when bookmarked.

Firefox fans should vote for this bug...
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=251447

Firefox fans following IE's development should also spend some time voting on some bugs that should have been fixed a couple years ago...
http://www.jabcreations.com/web/browser-bugs.php#Gecko

I've not spent any time on CSS in regards to XML/RSS but if styling information is associated with an RSS feed would IE display it instead of what I'm seeing by default?

Thanks for the post Sean.

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 9:38 PM by Sam Ruby
re: or RSS 1.0, for that matter

Not quite.  As this data is in RDF/XML format, it can't be included in RSS 1.0.

I have a question.  Over time various mechanisms have been set up to provide feedback on this extension: a wiki, a mailing list, and various blogs.  Each time, I've tried posting to each without success.  What's the best way to raise questions?

I'm particulary interested in where cf:type, cf:id, and cf:read are documented.

I also am interested in knowing if cf:sort is meant to apply pre- or post- normalization.

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Thursday, March 30, 2006 10:30 PM by Xepol
Personally, I find the RSS features to be a little lame.  I have to visit the RSS feed section to see if anything has changed..

Then, if something HAS been highlighted, I gotta go dig to see if something has been highlighted.  If I want to reread something, it better not be a busy rss feed or it may well scroll right off.

Frankly, the RSS feature turned out just as I predicted.  Totally useless.

Just talk the RSS Bandit people into a bundling deal and have a REAL rss feed reader, throw out the poor excuse for the RSS reader that currently exists. Which is really just a kludge of an older "update offline webpages" feature no-one ever used combined with a style sheet.

Frankly, you should all be embarrassed for trying to pass this off as anything other than an wasted afternoon's efforts.

# Synchronicity » IE7 “extends” RSS

Friday, March 31, 2006 12:50 AM by Synchronicity » IE7 “extends” RSS
PingBack from http://www.joshkagan.com/sync/2006/03/30/ie7-extends-rss/

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Friday, March 31, 2006 3:21 AM by Mike
I agree, the IE7 beta RSS feature is just ridiculous, unusable. There's no "Refresh All" button, it refused to update the slashdot feed, even when i went to the rss file and hit Ctrl+F5.

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Friday, March 31, 2006 4:15 AM by EricLaw [MSFT]
Xepol: From the comment you left, I'm getting the impression that you haven't looked into everything that the Windows RSS platform will offer.  I think you'll be surprised at the number of features it will offer, and the ability of third-parties to use the platform in useful ways.

# Bug with back button

Friday, March 31, 2006 5:13 AM by ANT
Hello,

While surfing mainly on forums, the back button doesn't work properly or
even sometimes doesn't work at all (always grayed)

http://forum.mess.be
http://www.foobar2000.org

but you must be aware of that :-)

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Friday, March 31, 2006 6:12 AM by Lordmike
Who is making IE for pocketpc? If not you guys, then do you know what blog I can turn to?
I use Windows Mobile 5. :)

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Friday, March 31, 2006 12:54 PM by ieblog
Ant,

Yes we know about the issue but you should go to the IE Feedback site that I blogged about recently if you want to search on known bugs.

Lordmike,

The mobile group does the IE for the PocketPC. The IE team is not involved in it. As far as I know, they don't have a blog.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Saturday, April 01, 2006 3:35 AM by carloshm
maybe you can find information at blogs.msdn.com/iemobile and at blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Saturday, April 01, 2006 4:06 PM by carloshm
maybe you can find information at blogs.msdn.com/iemobile and at blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:58 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@carloshm: Thanks for the link!

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Monday, April 03, 2006 1:37 PM by Albert G
RSS is an old standard, yes.
I know that maybe it's quite old-fashioned, but it's a good idea imho.

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:17 AM by rssreader
Why am I getting this error:

Internet Explorer does not support feeds with DTDs.

Seems very fishy that the feeds on VMWare corporate site all have this error.

# re: More on Simple List Extensions

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:44 AM by Jack Bauer
> Seems very fishy that the feeds on VMWare corporate site all have this error.

Hmmm yes, it's a conspiracy.

...or maybe all the feeds simply have DTDs which IE7 doesn't support?
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