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Beta 3 UX Improvements

Hi everybody, Max here. I posted before about "A New Look for IE” back when we released the beta 2 preview, and with the launch of beta 3, I wanted to take a moment to tell you about some of the new functionality we have added and changes we have made specifically related to your feedback.

First and foremost, let me thank everybody who has put the time and effort towards giving us feedback, whether it’s through our connect site, participating in our monthly online chats, talking with us at the conferences we attend, or even just commenting here on our blog; this helps us make the product better for you. Since beta 2, we’ve fixed many issues, and we continue to drive to releasing a more secure, reliable, easy to use browser with IE7.

New Icons

In response to feedback especially here on the blog and on Channel 9, we want to show you some new icons for beta 3.

New Icons in Beta 3

We’ve lightened up the stop, refresh, and search icons, and we’ve changed the icons for the favourites center and add to favourites to give you back the good old favourites star.

Tab Reordering

The next big change we have made, which I’m super excited about as this was one of the more highly voted for issues on the connect site, is that in beta 3 you’re now able to reorder tabs via dragging!

Tabs Dragging

Just drag the tab where you want it to go. This is a super convenient way to keep your tabs organized within your window.

Authenticated FTP

We also heard lots of feedback about FTP not working in IE7. In beta 2, anonymous FTP sites worked, however if the site required authentication, then one needed to either use windows explorer to get the familiar folder view of the FTP site, or use the somewhat arcane ftp://username:password@ftp.site/ URL format in order to make it work in IE7. In beta 3, IE7 now prompts for credentials and gives an html view of the FTP site. If you’re interested in the folder view for the FTP site, simply choose the “Open FTP Site in Windows Explorer” menu entry from the Page menu.

FTP Meny Entry

Easy Access to Email

Earlier in the IE7 development cycle, we decided to remove the command bar icon that provided access directly to one’s email. Through our Customer Support Services division, we learned that the lack of this icon was in fact one of the top call generators for IE7 beta 2, and hence we’ve added this icon back. It’s now available to be put into your command bar through the customization menu. Right click on the command bar and select Customize Command Bar -> Add or Remove Commands.

Customize Toolbar

A smaller change

There’s one more change I want to tell you about, first because I think it’s a great example of a small detail that makes a big difference in how much people enjoy using the browser, and secondly because it was expertly done by one of our new summer interns, Michael Ritche.

IE6 featured auto scaling of large images to fit the browser window, and it had this weird button that would show up over the top of the image after some indeterminate amount of time. It felt a little odd to use, and was somewhat unpredictable. In IE7, thanks to Michael, we’ve replaced this with a simple magnification cursor. Now, you can click to zoom the image to full size, and the image will be centered on where you clicked.

Zoom of a Calgary shot

This was a great first change by Michael, and we’re sure there will be many more.

Jane has posted details of some UX improvements in the RSS experience on the RSS team blog. Check them out.

As we look towards finishing IE7 and starting in our next release, please keep the feedback coming! With your help we’ll continue to improve Internet Explorer.

Thanks,
Max Stevens
Lead Program Manager

Published Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:00 AM by ieblog

Comments

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:25 PM by Darren Straight
Thanks for the info! :)

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:27 PM by Antonio Marques
Congratulations!
I've just downloaded and installed IE7 B3.
So far, so good - the new features work as promised. Keep up the good work, guys!

# Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3 Download » Darren Straight’s Blog

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:37 PM by kizzer
"It felt a little odd to use, and was somewhat unpredictable. In IE7, thanks to Michael, we’ve replaced this with a simple magnification cursor."

In case no one else mentions it, this is a fantastic change.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:38 PM by jace
yes! awesome ux changes.

just one more, please...

Just one more favor, Please set Internet Explorer to automatically decide how to open pop-ups, By Default!!

# E' disponibile Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3 per Windows XP / 2003!

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:42 PM by Lorenzo Barbieri @ UGIblogs!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:45 PM by Mike
Please add the option to IE 7 like Firefox has for when you right click on a wallpaper and make it your backround a bix opens letting set the size of it on your desktop and the color.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:03 PM by MarxMarvelous
"Please set Internet Explorer to automatically decide how to open pop-ups, By Default!!"

Ditto!  This is the first thing I have to set whenver I reinstall a new version of IE7.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:09 PM by game kid
In before "But the magnify cursor was in teh Firefox frist!!1" posts.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:10 PM by Kevin Daly
Darn (OK, not what I normally say), I liked the Beta 2 icons much better, at least for Refresh and Search - these ones look a bit insipid (the indicator for new search provider discovery used to light up proudly, now it looks like it's powered by a dying flashlight battery). But since this change was in response to user feedback, that's obviously just me.
A couple of enhancements that *would* be nice, in descending order of priority:
1) Some ability to expand the search box would be great, it's a bit cramped - I think that will inhibit some people from using it (which is a shame because it's an excellent feature)
2) The View Source display - I hate to say it, but Netscaope, Firefox and co have always provided a much better user experience for this, with a nicely formatted and somewhat syntax coloured display. Opening it in Notepad is, well, a bit naff.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:13 PM by Newtronic
I like the new icons and new functions.  I noticed also that my "add mobile favorites" button has appropriately moved back on the page whereas under beta 2, it had been pushed onto a >> menu.  Cool.  Also, the overall experience seems snappier.  Where there performance changes?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:20 PM by DavidU
The 'star' buttons for Favorites and Add Favorites, don't seem very sharp.

Everything else is great!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:20 PM by Steve
CONGRATS!!!!!!

Finally someone on the IE Blog posts images as PNG!!!!!

now we can actually SEE them!!!!!!

Nice!

# Solo Technology » Blog Archive » IE 7 beta 3 released

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:29 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Kevin: You can choose another view-source editor if you'd like.  Personally, I use EditPad Pro, but Notepad2 is a favorite.  Of course, you can use Visual Studio or a number of other IDEs as well.

In future versions, we hope to make this experience a bit better by default.

# MalDevBlog » Archiwum bloga » Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:50 PM by Patrick
Great work!  It won't pull me away from Firefox (I use Linux a lot... and I LOVE Firefox), but it looks like you're well on your way toward releasing a real browser.  Kudos to the whole team for what must be a monumental effort.  The web dev world salutes you!

# Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3 Released

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:51 PM by MasterMaq's Blog
Microsoft today released Beta 3 of Internet Explorer 7. The main changes are around the user interface,...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:57 PM by Phil
ugh guys, I'm dying to try this, but it's the most painful piece of software i've ever tried to install from Microsoft!

1) Download genuine advantage plugin
2) Download genuine advantage exe
3) run exe
4) copy paste code
5) hit back and click download again
6) download
7) run exe - "Error You Already have Internet Explorer 7 installed, please use the add/remove control panel"
8) Uncheck IE from components... same error, no sucessful install. :(

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:00 PM by Jack Chapple
Some Nice new features but there are still some glaring engine bugs that need fixing.

One of the most irritating issues for me as a developer is a bug with the Microsoft Filters when ClearType is turned on.

If one has a layer with some kind of MS Filter applied to it (for example - the Alpha Filter), and the end user has ClearType turned on, any text inside that layer is extremely distorted.

This is a huge annoyance - it simply MUST be fixed by the time IE7 goes final.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:05 PM by Nocturnal
May I please ask this question?

In regards to this:

https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/viewfeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=65110&siteid=136

It still has not been fixed.  I'm still unable to actually reorder favorites located in sub-folders on the Links toolbar.

Also, since the reordering of tabs made it into IE7 when it was said that it was not going to be, is there any chance that the implementation of middle clicking a folder on the Links toolbar will open up all of those links in new tabs?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:05 PM by Chris Pirillo
The RSS icon is *STILL* in the wrong place. You need to put it in the address bar like Safari, FireFox, and Opera do. It's a modal icon, guys.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:07 PM by Raul
is there anyway to restrict IE 7 to just a single window? will this mode me implemented at all in the options?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:12 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Raul: No, you cannot force a single window, but you can reduce the number of Windows.  Tools | Internet Options | General | Tab Settings options can reduce the number of Windows.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:23 PM by Sjoerd Verweij
Have a beer on me. Between tabs (especially with reordering!), QuickTabs and the printing improvements alone, this is the best update since IE4. And we've even got Channels... ehm... FEEDS, yeah, FEEDS back  ;-)

I concur on the performance observations -- snappiness is up all 'round. At least on my machine, it feels about as fast as IE6, which means it runs circles around FireFox.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:25 PM by Laco
Thanks for a great update.In the past i was using Opera then Firefox, but now i'm seriously switching back to new IE7 Beta 3. It's looks very good and only feature i am missing is option to add separator between favorites.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:26 PM by Tama
As a web developer I'm very happy that you're building ie 7. But seriously, hire a new UI designer, it's AWFUL!

# Adinel.eu - Despre mine :: A aparut Internet Explorer 7 beta 3

# IE 7 or IE-Zilla?

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:33 PM by STEFANO DEMILIANI WeBlog

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:41 PM by Adinel
Hey,

Great job so far, but only one small detail I guess you forgot: pages that open in new windows are automatically resized to fit the whole IE screen size, but more conveniant is to let these pages to open in their own sizes (Firefox does this).

Thanks, keep it up!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:42 PM by Trevor Alexander Hermance
I've been wanting since IE 5 (I think that's when it first appeared) to be able to turn off image auto-scaling.

It'd just be a little check-box... please?? :)

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:43 PM by Peter Gurevich [MS]
Jack Chapple ,

thanks for the feedback on ClearType and Filters.  This is a known issue that we just fixed.  You will not see this problem in the final release.

Cheers

# IE7 becomes more like Firefox with every release ...

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:43 PM by Christoph
I'm not yet sure if it is a good or a bad thing that IE's ux imitates Firefox (and yes, in some parts other 'alternative' browsers as well) more with every release.

Searchbox, tabbed browsing, feeds, cleaner ui ... those where all innovative things that developers of other brothers came up with and IE was simply lacking after 5 years of non-development and I guess the IE team had more or less no choice to copy them. And you guys did a good job in most parts.

But all these new 'minor' changes are almost spooky. The image rezise feature was one, that was made popular by IE6 (well, because if its flawed ui not really that popular) but was caopied and improved by other browsers. And now IE7 beta 3 uses an absolutely identical way to deal with image rezising as Firefox does.

Tab reordering, another feature that works and looks almost identical to the same feature Firefox has had a long time ago.

Including weak and seriously flawed copy of Mozilla's extenion and theme pages http://www.ieaddons.com I am really disappointed with IE7.

I know you guys had to catch up and I know it must have been quite hard. But I would have never thought that IE7's ux would copy THAT much from other browsers without actually improving much and without any kind of innovative NEW features.

# IE 7 Beta 3

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:52 PM by Ancora Imparo

 Not sure when it happened, but I have become completely dependent on IE7. As I mentioned early today,...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:55 PM by Luke Walker
This is looking pretty good.

Do you know when the Vista release of Beta 3 will be due out?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:57 PM by Michael Ritche
Trevor Alexander Hermance:

You should be able to disable automatic image resizing by going to Tools->Internet Options->Advanced and unchecking "Enable automatic image resizing" (it's under Multimedia).

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:57 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Trevor: Tools | Internet Options | Advanced | Multimedia | Enable automatic image resizing.  (This is available IE6 too).

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:00 PM by Bob
Why doesn't IE even this 3rd beta get the cute little icons in the url like FF does?

For example if you go to cnn.com or foxnews.com in FF there is their logo icon in the url address. Why doesn't IE handle this?

Thank you,
Bob

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:04 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Bob: These are called FavIcons, and they should work in IE7.  They sometimes take a few moments to appear.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:05 PM by Nocturnal
@Eric

Is there anyway you'd be able to address my previous comment?  It's regarding a bug that was reported in connect and then closed due to it being fixed yet it is still not fixed in IE7 Beta 3.

Also I do believe that the feature request of being able to open up a group of tabs from a folder on the Links toolbar has been requested quite frequently.

Thank you Eric!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:06 PM by Matt
You guys must be getting real sick of it - I mean seriously, it's like touching your finger to a hot frying pan everytime you post about improvements to IE7, someone HAS TO post about how you copied every other browser out there, and feature X works just like feature Y in browser Z.

IE7 has been terrific in it's own right.  Keep up the good work IE Team.  The RSS feed management and capabilities of IE7 alone were enough to make me ditch Firefox.  Sure, Firefox can do 'live bookmarks' but IE7 does it better.

@Christoph - instead of writing about how everything is copied from Firefox, why don't you tell us some of those 'innovative NEW features' you had in mind?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:11 PM by Max Stevens [MSFT]
@Kevin Daly - Eric mentioned it before, but it is possible to specify what editor is used for view source (though it's not easy).  The easiest way to do this is to install the tweakUI powertoy, as it provides a basic interface to do this.  Check it out from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx

@Newtronic - There were in fact many performance changes, and we continue to make progress here as we move to the final release.

@Nocturnal - you can reorder favourites that are in sub folders on the links toolbar provided you do this through the favourites center.  We have the bug in our internal system that you can't do this directly from the links toolbar, though I doubt we will be able to fix this for IE7.  Hopefully the work around suits you

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:16 PM by Nocturnal
@Max

Ok, I must be doing something wrong.  I'm going into favorites center, I'm going to the Link folder, then going into the sub-folder let's say it's called "Tech."  I go ahead and re-arrange the links to how I'd like to view them.  I close out the favorites center and then go to the folder that is located on the Links toolbar.  I click on the folder, a list drops down.  The list is still in alpha order and is not changed at all.  Of course, if I go to the favorites center to check on this folder and the order it is in, it is in the exact order I have placed it.  However, it doesn't affect the actual folder on the Links toolbar.  Is that what you meant by it was fixed but that there is still a bug with this?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:17 PM by jace
Favicons are still broken for me too in Beta 3...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:23 PM by jace
I removed IE7 Beta 3, did a repair installation of Windows, reinstalled IE7, and I still have the following problem:

When I open Internet Explorer, I have to click 3 times on the Favorites Center icon to get it to open it.

After it opens, I can return and open it with a single click.

If I close IE, then it's lather, rinse, repeat

# IE7 Beta 3 (more RSS goodness)

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:32 PM by Alex Barnett blog
Microsoft's RSS team blog has this news.

"IE7 Beta 3 is here! We’ve snuck in some goodies in the feed...

# Internet Explorer 7 Beta3

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:37 PM by OPC Diary

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:43 PM by Nocturnal
@Max

Here is what I am talking about:

http://www.randomfix.com/images/fcenter.jpg - this is where you said to make the changes.

http://www.randomfix.com/images/links.jpg - this is where the changes should have taken place but it does not matter where I try to reorder the links, it doesn't affect the Link's toolbar sub-folders.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:47 PM by miniplayer.info
Guys,

I have been running IE7 Beta flawlessly for the last month or so. I uninstalled it and downloaded Beta 3.  Everything went smoothly except as soon as the browser window opens, it closes again.

I had to revert back to IE6 again(horrors).  Other than this small issue all the changes look great!

HELP!  

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:48 PM by Ronin
Great improvements I must say, and the performance is definitely much more snappy than the previous Betas... I just hope the improvements continue.

A small glitch which has been overlooked I guess (I had filed a bug for this too)... The "Open a New Tab next to Current" does not work as intended. New tab is still opened at the end. Hope this gets fixed.

Otherwise a great application.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:48 PM by Xepol
Hey, cool! A pic of my home town!  Interesting angle for the pic too (must have been taken by someone in or on one of the offices south of the tower).

The zoom feature looks like a siginificant improvement.  I am always frustrated by accidently killing the old resize toolbar, and then playing the game of move & wait to get it back (always seems to take a few rounds), but oddly, you can't just turn it off or some sites start getting weird artifacts.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:50 PM by Ray
When will the 'Image Toolbar' make it's transition back into IE7??????? it was always nice to be able to just click on 'save' or 'print' on that floating toolbar instead of having to right-click on the picture to do it.

Please make it come back, i'm lost without it.

Also, i know firefox does this (i can't stand firefox), it would be nice if you could just 'right-click' on the webpage and instead of choosing 'refresh' choosing an option like 'reload images' or something like that which will reload all the images on a webpage that didn't load due to internet connection lag etc...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:56 PM by bill
God I hated that image toolbar, I am so happy it is gone.. I really don't like things following me around on the page...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:07 PM by Your's truly
Better Better and Better everday!

Except One thing; the search box!

How many web sites do you know that you can find with only two key words?

How many web sites can you find that have two key words that keep it high on search list results?

How many people do you know - who actually use search - that are ever stisfied by using two key words?

ZERO!

But this is the exact number of words - available on average - per search, thats visibly available!

For the casual searcher, this would be acceptable. Obviously!

However, advanced users would actually go to the home page of their choice search engine - usually Google, or have the custom toolbar with more options.

*** Why don't you make the search box expandable! ***


I will put it this way: are you satisfied using that search box?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:14 PM by Nocturnal
@ Max

Please don't leave me hanging.  All that I ask is you review my previous post in which I posted screen shots of what I'm trying to accomplish and tell me if that is the bug that you are confirming or if I'm doing something wrong.  Thank you very much Max.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:17 PM by Max Stevens [MSFT]
@Nocturnal - ok, I understand your issue now, it's not what I thought you were talking about.  Yes, I see your bug.  I will log this into our database and investigate.  I did try quickly and it seems like this bug also existed on IE6.

@Ronin - The "Open a new tab next to current" only applies when links are middle clicked or ctrl-clicked on the current page.  They'll open to the right of the current tab.  Watch for another blog post coming soon that describes all of our tab behaviour for more details.

@Xepol - I was wondering when somebody was going to be able to identify the image (although you never actually named the city...)  I didn't take it from downtown though, I was actually pretty far away...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:18 PM by Eduardo Valencia
Just installed IE7 beta 3

Great work,it's snappy,it's stable,love the new UX changes.

Recently in discussion groups,i was sugeesting also to:

- Change the offline/DNS error page when IE doesen't doesen't display it,to a more informative one,and could you add a "refresh" button there like firefox does?

-When Phising Filter is disabled,how come the white box With exclamation sign keeps appearing?,is there a way to disable it?,can you make it dissapear when Phising filter is off?

For the rest,i simply love it,i don't need firefox anymore!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:27 PM by Jamie
Nice beta, needs some changes though:

- Combine Refresh and Stop buttons into one, and make Go one single button.

- Make the search box resizeable.

- Integrate the Find on Page feature into the Search Box. So when the user presses Ctrl + F it highlights the search box, and arrows appear in the box to cycle through the key words on the page. Once the words are cleared from the box it goes back to the default search engine.

- Use icons consistent with Windows XP (IE6 icons perhaps?).

- Make quick search show only small icons (as in Beta 2), the large icons look blurry and dumb.

- Colour coding in the View Source window.

- Better standards support, comments on Digg.com still disappear in this Beta when they are expanded. Because some comments are dugg down they need to be expanded to be viewed, but IE7 doesn't show them.

- Define the favourites centre window better, perhaps give it a better border.

- Allow control over the size of the descriptions shown in RSS feeds using a slider bar.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:29 PM by Xepol
The whole point of dragable tabs is to get the tabs in the order you want.  Well, if I save the tab group, it should also save the order, but instead it just tosses in the alphabetical ordering and restores that instead.  You have to go into the favorites group and re-order them there, which makes the draggable tabs a truely wasted eye candy effort.

Of course, I am still lobbying to have the links toolbar let me re-order the contents of folders in my prefered order instead of ALWAYS having to accept the alphabetical ordering.  This one really mystifies me since the IE team has had the code to do exactly this since nearly forever.

Ya, I'll make sure they are reported as actual bugs.

Is it my imagination, or is the toolbar bigger?  Maybe it is just the new horizontal lines that make it appear that way.  I hate the new horizontal lines btw, they clutter the interface in a very ugly way.  I'll go digging for settings, but if there is no way to turn them off (as I expect), could you add a way in the next version?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:32 PM by Jazper
I just installed IE 7.0 beta 3 and now program Microsoft CTF Loader(File Name: ctfmon.exe) is now running on startup and running on backtround. I know that this process was not running before. How do i stop Microsoft CTF Loader from starting at startup or to stop it
running on the background?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:36 PM by Jonathan Davies
Looks like lots of hard work but I have to say I hate the new icons, the Beta 2 versions were much brighter with a proper XP/Vista feel.  They're very grey and 9X feeling now :(

Also something that seems to have reared its head is a set of horrible lines if one chooses to turn on the Menu bar and Links bar.  ewww, again very clunky and 9X feeling, I loved the way that in Beta 2 everything had its place but didn't need seperators.  Seems to ruin the modern look/flow.

:(

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:41 PM by Phranque
Does Beta 3 give an option for links that "Open In New Window" to be opened in a new Tab instead?  I'm getting tired in Beta 2 of having "New Window" weblinks open a new IE instance instead of adding a new tab.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:42 PM by Nocturnal
@ Jonathan Davies

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!  That separater line is just NOT needed.  I truly hope this does not make it to the final build.  The way B2 was is good enough!

# Microsoft, I have a problem

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:46 PM by mike
I have a problem, when I go to run IE 7 Beta 3 I get a short (under a second) Shadow of a browser window and then it closes, no error msg or anything it just goes away, Ctrl alt del doesn't show a copy of IE running

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:56 PM by merlin
I still wish you could drag links onto a tab to have the page open in that tab.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:58 PM by aapje
"A smaller change

There’s one more change I want to tell you about, first because I think it’s a great example of a small detail that makes a big difference in how much people enjoy using the browser, and secondly because it was expertly done by one of our new summer interns, Michael Ritche."

Thank you so much, this is the best change ever. The thing that would show up to magnify the picture was so annoying. I really hated it. The new zoom feature works perfectly.

Only one small detail is that the magnifying glass does not show every time when a picture is first loaded. Sometimes it's just the mouse cursor that's shown when hovering over the picture. The feature still works perfectly in those cases, so it's only a little detail.

Keep up the good work!!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:59 PM by aapje
"A smaller change

There’s one more change I want to tell you about, first because I think it’s a great example of a small detail that makes a big difference in how much people enjoy using the browser, and secondly because it was expertly done by one of our new summer interns, Michael Ritche."

Thank you so much, this is the best change ever. The thing that would show up to magnify the picture was so annoying. I really hated it. The new zoom feature works perfectly.

Only one small detail is that the magnifying glass does not show every time when a picture is first loaded. Sometimes it's just the mouse cursor that's shown when hovering over the picture. The feature still works perfectly in those cases, so it's only a little detail.

Keep up the good work!!

# Taip! …ar ne? » Pasirod?? Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Michael-Thanks, somehow have missed that previously-has it been there long? :s

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:33 PM by Nocturnal
@ Max

Max,

As you were mentioning earlier about the re-order bug on the toolbar probably not being fixed in IE7... I was wondering since you now know of my main concern, is that something that can be fixed for IE7 or is this something that I can just stop hoping that a fix will come out for it in future releases of IE7?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:46 PM by Shane Perran
This is really great to see guys, good job!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:48 PM by kevn
Tab Re-Ordering!! Could you guy tell the Windows Explorer team how you did that! I have always wanted that in the Task Bar!

# SharePoint Customization Blog » Blog Archive » Internet Explorer 7, Beta 3

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:20 PM by dberrett
Love the tab reordering, but I always find myself wanting to drag a tab out of IE to put it in its own new IE window (for side-by-side stuff).  Any chance of getting that?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:26 PM by Max Stevens [MSFT]
@Nocturnal - we'll take a look at it, but I can't promise anything at this point.  If it doesn't make IE7 we'll certainly consider it for IE.next though!

@dberrett - thanks for the suggestion, we'll consider this for our next release as well.

# Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:32 PM by Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:42 PM by matthew
looks a billion times better... can't wait for this to go final so I'll feel good about putting it on my work laptop - by far and away the machine i use the most!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:56 PM by Sunny
Great job on the new beta!  One thing I've noticed missing in IE7 thus far that I found very useful before is that when you right-click on the Back or Forward buttons a popup menu identical to the one that shows up when you click on its respective drop-down button appears.  Can you please bring that back?  It's much more convenient than having to move my mouse back to the drop down to get the menu.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:56 PM by Mikee
I noticed now that the Ctrl+Q is alot more fuzzy.  In Beta2 it seemed to be clear.  Is anyone else having this issue?

Thanks

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:32 PM by Mary Ann
Yay, Michael! :) Great work.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:44 PM by Nocturnal
One more Q.  Are those separator lines going to stay with future builds?  It just screams Windows 98.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 9:47 PM by Richard
Please make the tab context menu similar to Firefox's tab context menu. The close tab and new tab options are switched, causing me to close tabs that I did not intend to close.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:00 PM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@Eduardo Valencia: The problem is that the error page has to cover a lot of cases, and hence it's pretty generic.  On Vista, there's a link to launch connection diagnostics.

Are you sure you disabled the filter?  You have to do this using Tools | Internet Options | Advanced.  If you just turn off the webservice, the offline heuristic scans still run.

@Jamie: The majority of users didn't like having Stop & Refresh be the same button, and having them be the same causes a number of problems (E.g. can't hit stop button to stop background music if it's a refresh button etc).

We would like to integrate find on page into the search box, but this won't happen until a future release.

@Jazper: See http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282599 for info on the Office CTFMon feature.

@Phranque: Tools | Internet Options | Tab Settings to make all links open in new tabs.

@Mike: If IE fails at startup, try starting IE in no-addons mode using the link in the Accessories / System tools on the start menu.  If that doesn't work, use the Internet Control Panel's Advanced Tab to restore IE to defaults.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:43 PM by Jo
nice improve its a bit faster than before with pictures websides but it can be better.
also it would be nice if the feeds where easier to read... you have to go to favorites then click to use a tab to read them, in firefox you just click on the title which ones you want to read without having to scroll between them

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:01 PM by Omar A. Perez
Great, wow, amazing, piece of CRAP, come on guys,the new features are very cool, but there are not fixes for the fundamental problems related with the CSS and Web standars.

Congrats another major dissapointment

www.webstandars.org

Release a beta that can past their test.

YOu guys need to develop an uninstaller to get rid of IE once and for all, I am done with it.

Netscape, Opera, Firefox, neoplanet, anything that meet web standars IS A LOT BETTER THAN THIS. I encourage everybody to  wait for the next great development related with IE, IE uninstaller BETA 1.


# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:16 PM by Bob`12
Omar A. Perez.. you newb. They said they are NOT going to submit to those standards. They are here to make cash not adhere to a small, insignificant minority that cares about "web standards".

Go back to Firefox or what ever bloated junk you use.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:27 PM by IE ass
Unfortunately, some bugs are still not fixed. On my computer, if I choose Page==>security report twice continually, the security report simply becomes a snapshot of top left corner of IE 7 window. It also crashed once when I click on my RSS list. RSS news still turn grey even if you didn't read the details for anyone of them .

Well, at least beta 3 works ok now and I have completely abandoned firefox.

Where is download manager improvement?!?!? I don't require IE team to write a download manager because the team will be sued by third parties. I just want to make IE work more closely with my download manager without having to introduce unstable poorly written add-ons or to modify critical system files.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:28 PM by JohnGalt
You still have a mindnumbingly stupid/non-intuitive interface going though. All of the pretty icons in the world don't make this thing any more fun to use:

1. The stop/refresh are on the right. Dumb. I have to move all the way to the other side of the screen to get them and they're tiny so as an end user I have to be mouse accurate. It only took you guys 15 years to figure out that the corners are the best place, and only 7 years of the Start Bar to figure out that the Start button should be active in the bottom left pixel and not require aiming. Now you're doing it all over again with this inane interface.. WHY???

2. The down arrow for your back button is under the forward button. Anyone else notice how stupid this is?  If you watn to confuse a user, you're doing a great job!

3. Pages, tools... great... makes no sense where they are, and prevents me from opening lots of tabs because they eat up space. whoohoo! Just what I always wanted.

As much as I don't really like firefox, you guys have done an excellent job at ensuring that I'll keep using it, despite your rendering improvements (hopefully all of the zillions of bugs reported on all of the CSS sites are fixed that you introduced with IE7 b1/b2).

Get a UI guy to come in and design this. It isn't hard, it's a browser, not rocket science and moving buttons around for no reason, is lame. Especially when they make it less usable than before.

# IE 7 Beta 3 Released @ ?????????????????????

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:29 PM by IE 7 Beta 3 Released @ ?????????????????????

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:34 PM by Jimmy
the new beta 3 is great... good job.. however, my univ's website is not displaying well, i am not sure that is the issue of the university or the beta 3.

the address is: www.monash.edu.au

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:53 PM by Hypernova
Another vote for resizable searchbox, and I'm looking forward to "Find on this page" to be integrated into searchbox too.  Hope it'll be something like searchbox of Windows Desktop Search (instantly list of results in pop-up windows).

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:56 PM by Will
Omar-- Neoplanet uses IE's rendering engine.  What "standards" do you think they support that IE doesn't?

JohnGalt-- F5 refreshes and ESC stops.  Why bother using the mouse?

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 12:45 AM by Jose
GREAT JOB !!!!

Please allow us to refresh the Search Box It is too small.

Thanks



# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 12:54 AM by Jazper
WINDOW XP disk cleanup

I use Disk Cleanup today and notice something really weird read below

@C:\WINDOWS\system32\occache.dll.-1071 is listed  on Files to delete instead of download program files

the view button title is also replace with Ws\system32\occ

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 12:56 AM by codemastr
Love the UI changes, glad you're really listening to user feedback on this! I think most everything user's (the majority of them anyway) have complained about in the UI has been changed. There is one notable exception though, the ability to reorder all the menus/toolbars... I'd still really like to know why I can't put the menus above the address bar. I've been using IE7 since the initial beta and I've still yet to get used to the menu being below the address bar!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 1:14 AM by Erik
In Beta 1 and Beta 2, when opening a folder of links in the favorites center, then opening another folder, the first folder would automatically close. In beta 3, if you click a second, third or fourth etc. folder they all remain open (expanded). Is this a new design? It was much better, in my opinion, the old way.

Now I have to scroll or click the folder I do not want expanded any longer a second time.

I love all the improvements that have been made, keep up the great work!

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 1:32 AM by donbt99
Eric, are you guys aware of this new bug:
If you go to favorites from the old classic menu, and if you try to delete one of your favorites the mouse cannot click on the buttons yes or no to delete.  

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:12 AM by ZiYi
I like the tab dragging function.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:25 AM by Chriso
Hey, I don't know if you've fixed this but occassionally when browsing the internet with a few tabs open it hogs ALOT of RAM. Sometimes almost 100,000k and the tabs and what-not occassionally "lagged". These bugs were from beta 2, just hope they get fixed cos IE7 > Firefox now :), keep up the good work team.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:26 AM by Xepol
@Max Stevens [MSFT] - How could I not notice a shot of the Calgary Tower, taken from the south (and slightly to the west)?  

I see that you guys also changed the downloading animation.  I kinda like it.  Unlike the new horizontal lines in the main UI which just waste space and look like total crud.  At least one of the lines goes away in full screen mode.

However, the design flaw which leads to my other toolbars being removed in full screen mode persists to this day.  I mean, ya, it might be "as designed", but as designed is just plain wrong here.  My toolbars are NOT wasting any screen space here, they have my links on them and I have to get out of full screen mode just to get back to them.  Don't you guys realize that this makes fullscreen mode useless?  If I have to keep flipping in and out of full screen mode to use the browser, I am NEVER going to use it, and neither is anyone else.

It is not like my google toolbar (or msn toolbars for others) and my links toolbar will waste any screen space in full screen mode - thye are hidden.  Why not let me have them when I mouse to the top of the screen?  This is NOT a very useful design.

The sites I hit every day are in my links toolbar (in folders which I can't custom order, but that is a seperate bitch) and I leave the bulk of my favorites for that 1 time in a month or year site.  Being able to get to that favorites menu is NOT helpful, as it is FULL of sites I use rarely, with my common sites inconveniently buried (and you always have to click into them).  Give me the same toolbars in fullscreen that I have in non-fullscreen or just remove fullscreen from the product.

Oh, and incidently, I *ALWAYS* use my google toolbar for searching the current page, so I need it all the time as well.  It is quick, highlights and doesn't have a near impossible to navigate thumbnail image (what are the MSN toolbar people thinking?), so that is ANOTHER reason I have keep flipping back to get at the toolbar.

Gimme my darn toolbars. I don't care if they are hidden in a slide down in fullscreen mode (which is cool as it provides lots of viewing area), but they MUST be there when I mouse to the top of the screen and the toolbars slide into view.

I openned a bug on this, but it was shut down in a heartbeat by Ben A.  Please, PLEASE discuss this amongst the team and do the right thing, for the next release even.

Thanks.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:54 AM by Looooooka
please please live an option in for CLASSIC LOOK(file edit view...menus stay where they were in previous versions...ABOVE THE URL BAR....ABOVE NOT BELOW).Justtttttttttttttttt make it so it can be dragged up and down or smth.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:56 AM by PatriotB
Hmm, since you guys brought up "new icons"... how about eliminating some of the old Windows 95-style icons that are still lurking in IE?

Specifically:
-Script error shows old exclamation icon
-Properties dialog boxes for pages, pictures, and hyperlinks show old icons that are of terrible quality
-Downloaded Program Files folder icon (and icons within)

Take a few minutes and look through all the icons and images in your DLLs, and replace the ones that are old!  It shouldn't take very long and would help give IE7 a polished, finished look.

# Developing, Programming, Computer science » Blog Archive » IE 7 beta 3 UI improvements.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:18 AM by Jazper
What is Microsoft CTF Loader( Ctfmon.exe )? Is this a part of IE 7 beta 3 apparently this thing appeared when i install IE 7 beta 3. How do i remove this process and on startup?

# We want customizable toolbars!

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:20 AM by Rich
1st of all, I am used to having a menubar at the top of every application, in the grand old tradition of all previous Microsoft programs, as well as all of the competing browsers like Firefox, Opera, Safari, etc.  Secondly, in IE6, I could put ALL my toolbars in ONE ROW, including the menubar, then the back, forward, refresh, stop, and home buttons, and then the address bar.  THAT saved a lot of screen real estate without removing ANY functionality.  You guys have done some good stuff on the backend, but really, you need to clean up the GUI.  There are small amounts of customizability, but it is laughable.  I can't believe you would ruin a good thing.  IE6 had a user interface that was perfect except for the lack of tabbed browsing.  When I use Firefox or Opera I set them up to look just like IE6.  But IE7?  Ugly, and impossible to customize.  You need to make it so you can move the toolbars around, JUST LIKE IN IE6.  It's not that hard, just revert back to the old code, or something.  Is there any way I could make it LOOK like IE6 but still have the functionality of IE7?  I can guarantee that 99% of consumers, if you make this the final release version and put it out on Windows Update, are going to be like "GOD THIS IS UGLY, AND I CAN'T CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT LOOK NORMAL LIKE IT IS SUPPOSED TO!"  So you had better fix it before it is a final release.  Now as for the speed of the browser and the new features, sure, great, you have done neat stuff.  But I just feel like vomiting when I see that awful round left arrow button in the upper left corner, on the left side of an annoying big fat toolbar that I can't get rid of or customize or move.  I'm sure it would just take, like, 2 seconds to put back the old code from IE6 that let you put toolbars wherever you want.  And by the way, when I try to install the latest version of Adobe/Macromedia Flash, I have to go through all sorts of hoops and click Yes on security warning windows and little yellow annoying things that come up at the top of the screen like 5 times in a row before the thing FINALLY installs.  That happens for ANY ActiveX control I try to install by going to the webpage that installs it.  I think ONE security warning dialog box is enough.  Or maybe have the yellow thing at the top of the screen and THEN the dialog box if you click on the yellow thing at the top.  But try and minimize the number of mouse-clicks necessary to get things done.  As for your icons, no complaints... but the forward and back button (& other buttons in the address bar) should also be able to be either large or small.  I like my buttons SMALL.  Just let me rearrange toolbars on my own computer to save screen real estate and I'll be happy.  Opera does a very good job of letting you arrange toolbars any way you want, but a lousy job of displaying certain webpages properly.  So maybe, you could copy them?  Thanks.

# IE 7 beta 3 download- an update

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:22 AM by David Overton's Blog
Having told everyone that Beta 3 is available for download, I was a little short on details.
The IE...

# IE7 beta 3

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:31 AM by Sentido Web
Ya vamos por la beta 3 de Internet Explorer y pocas novedades en lo referente al motor de rendering. En el blog de IE podemos leer que los cambios mas significativos son el uso de nuevos iconos, reordenamiento de pestañas,...

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 3:56 AM by EricLaw [MSFT]
@codemastr, @Looooooka: There's an (unsupported) override to put the menu bar on top: http://www.fiddlertool.com/dl/IE7MenuAtTop.reg

@PatriotB: I think we've replaced a few more of the icons post-B3, but I hope you'll agree that the icons we didn't update are getting pretty darn obscure.  :-)

@Xepol: I've seen the opposite feedback, where users don't want toolbars in Full-screen mode.  

IE has hundreds of millions of users, and there's reason to be skeptical when someone complains and implies that "everyone" agrees with them.  In order to ship, sometimes we just have to decide in favor of the majority of feedback.  Where an issue is contentious and high-visibility, we try to provide an option, but there are limits to how many switches we can put in and still ship in a reasonable amount of time.

@Jazper: To reiterate, see http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=282599 for info on CTFMon.

@Chriso: Many such memory leaks were fixed for Beta-3.

@donbt99: I'll ask around. I don't see a deletion dialog on my machine.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:01 AM by abc
"Love the UI changes, glad you're really listening to user feedback on this! I think most everything user's (the majority of them anyway) have complained about in the UI has been changed. There is one notable exception though, the ability to reorder all the menus/toolbars... I'd still really like to know why I can't put the menus above the address bar. I've been using IE7 since the initial beta and I've still yet to get used to the menu being below the address bar! "

Because this is the new layout for all microsoft products. The File, edit, etc bar is not being used anymore. For Vista, the address bar is at the top (i don't think one can change it there). They programmed ie for XP this way to conform to the vista and new microsoft ui standard look.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:07 AM by MasumX
Thanks but here's some bugs ^^

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5161/untitled17dg.png

have guys!

# blogg.ahlund.se » Internet Explorer 7 beta 3

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:09 AM by blogg.ahlund.se » Internet Explorer 7 beta 3

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:17 AM by tollie williams
All these comments are a mess, but it looks like they do get some attention, so I suppose I'll join the rest.

Do whatever you want with the UI, I can work around that.

(I, do however think it silly that we went through all that trouble about agreeing on what the RSS/Feed icon should look like so we don't confuse users; but IE has decided it belongs in the toolbar, not the address bar where everyone else seems to put it. That said, IE beat the Firefox team to getting their "feed view" right and they did better than Safari in making it useful. As long as it works, I'll be good.)

However, UI aside, I can't understand the disregard and disagreement over CSS2. It annoys me that I continue to write code that works fine for everyone else, but then need to tweak it just for IE6/7 to be alright.

I'm not an expert on it, but here's what I see:

* It seems that IE7 still fails to do anything but ignore adjacent sibling selectors and attribute selectors. It might even ignore direct child selectors still, but I haven't checked.

* Positioning absolutes in relatives still results in stuff in one place for Safari, Firefox, and Opera - and in another place for IE7. I don't know what's going on, but it's annoying.

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:26 AM by Hmmm
Firefox 1.5.0.4 (Check it out..
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7093/ff3zm.png

Internet Explorer 7 Beta 3 (How it handles this page)
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8886/ie0wl.png

# re: Beta 3 UX Improvements

Friday, June 30, 2006 4:27 AM by John Hrvatin [MSFT]
@Phil -

Re: 8) Uncheck IE from components... same error, no sucessful install. :(

To uninstall earlier builds of IE7, use 'Add/Remove Programs' instead of 'Add/Remove Windows Components'.  The latter only removes access to IE; it doesn't uninstall IE7.

More details on uninstall at http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/06/29/650033.aspx.

Hope this helps!

John