New Internet Explorer Community Site

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Carlos — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:39:00 GMT

Dave, could you comment on this? To attend the W3C Workshop, attendees must provide a "Position Paper" which basically describes what that attendee's position on the web in general is.

Microsoft's entry?

http://www.w3.org/2004/04/webapps-cdf-ws/papers/microsoft.html

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We have a background in the Microsoft Internet Explorer Dynamic HTML technology and are currently developing the Longhorn "Avalon" technology which includes the XML based "XAML" language. We wish to present an overview of the XAML language, the procedural programming model associated with "Avalon", and some experiences on the feasibility of standardization of procedural programming models (in contrast to declarative document formats).
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Therefore, Microsoft makes it plainly and publicly clear that the "future" of the web is... XAML! Chilling.

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minghong — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:35:00 GMT

Please set the default document as "default.mspx". <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/">http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/</a> gives me 404...

re: New Internet Explorer Community Site

minghong — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 03:36:00 GMT

Oops... no HTML allowed.
You should have mentioned this in this form...

Again:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/

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bilbo — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 04:27:00 GMT

is that Mohammad Ali in that picture?

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Dave Massy — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 05:50:00 GMT

Carlos,
That was a submission for a particular workshop for discussion and should clearly not be taken as a statement about the 'future of the web'.

minghong,
We'll see if we can get http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/ to point to the default page. Thanks for the feedback.

Bilbo,
I don't think that's a boxer :-)

Thanks
-Dave

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Robin — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:30:00 GMT

Dave - do you have any input in the design of MS webpages? Making the new MS homepage validate and be accessible in all browsers would be a big step forward in gaining community trust.

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Robin — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:32:00 GMT

Not that it isn't a big step up from the old one of course :) It's just that you're really pretty close now, it seems like minor problem-fixing would take you that final step.

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Gary — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:25:00 GMT

I'm glad Microsoft has decided to better support and defend IE. Unfortunately it might be a little too little, too late... I really hated "the old days" where you had to compromise the code you wrote for the sake of compatibility... I hope we're not heading back in that direction. Ironically, the almost infinite variety of IE configurations 6.0, 5.0, secure, insecure, pop ups, no pop ups..etc. is creating a kind of IE exclusive browser war. The fact that you can't practically run different versions of IE really makes testing a headache. For example: I don't know what your pop-up blocker does to this toolbox.
www.donotgo.com/book1.htm

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JLee — Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:12:00 GMT

How about www.unixdaemon.net/ie_plugins.html as an IE users resource? Some of the plugins are quite useful. Although not the P3P one.

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Jay Pack — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:17:00 GMT

glad to see you have a blog

New Microsoft homepage

François Battail — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 05:52:00 GMT

Robin, look at http://www.microsoft.com/ it's already *very* close to a valid html 4.01 page now, no more specific attributes, CSS, less tables, useable with a text navigator, 75% html size reduction, one page for any browser. It's a nice move from Microsoft even if it could be more dramatic.
So, thanks for going to the right direction.

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Thomas — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 07:16:00 GMT

Francois, is this a joke? *Very* close to valid html 4.01?

No DOCTYPE and 49 (!) errors in HTML-Validator:
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.microsoft.com/

The Stylesheet is also broken:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.microsoft.com/h/en-us/r/hp.css

No specific CSS attributes? And what about
style="filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.Gradient(startColorStr='#0a6cce', endColorStr='#ffffff', gradientType='1')"?

HTML is not that difficult, why is this company not able to produce valid web pages?

--Thomas

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François Battail — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:51:00 GMT

Thomas,

You don't remember the previous version ;-) ? I was speaking of horrible html attributes. About the CSS, yes they use proprietary attributes as I do when I use -moz-border-radius, but there's no accessibility impact so I don't care about a valid CSS for this kind of things. What is important is that there's only one html page served whatever browser is used and it's a very good thing. About the doctype it means that IE6 is not exploited in standard mode but in quirks mode, meaning that IE 5, 5.5 and 6 have the same rendering, same page for these navigators and others. The html code uses good semantic it's a very deep move even if it's not perfect.
Yes the page doesn't validate but they care to put comprehensive alt attributes on the image map, they still have problem with nested [p] in anchors [a] (most of the validation errors), but they don't more use a degraded html page for a browser other than IE.
Please don't be negative: they are doing something in the right direction. I'm not a natural supporter of Microsoft since I'm a Linux user but when a major web site make a step forward web standards I can just approve. Same thing for this blog, the markup improved from the start ; it's not perfect, but some efforts were made, I don't think that such moves are so easy to do for a big company as Microsoft as thousands of people are involved, but some peoples have done things and it's visible.
So again, thanks for these changes.

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Hyoga — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:53:00 GMT

I think as thomas and a blog ie i'ts really to explode to laugh

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Dave - not Dave Massy though ;) — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:56:00 GMT

I think it's good to see these things going on in IE land, getting the community on your site is a key task and this help site brings to IE what Mozillazine brings to the Moz/Fox community.

It'll take a couple of years of positive actions before I could trust Microsoft again however it is possible to regain that trust - IE needs to compete hard. But one thing I don't want is *any* browser even Firefox having the market share that IE has because it halted innovation for so long.

We're lucky that IE was never released for Linux because if it was then there may not have been as much incentive to write alternatives.

To Dave Massey - I hope you agree that the competition that Firefox provides is a good thing. I mean it's brought the IE team back together so whatever your browser of choice it'll be interesting.

What started out as a little rant, but now looks like a fairly big one.

An attempt at structured thought. — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:01:00 GMT

What started out as a little rant, but now looks like a fairly big one.

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Nektar — Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:46:00 GMT

Please dedicate a portion of the IE Community site for a list of useful IE extentions and plugins that are out there or where developers can upload their plugins.

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Gary Schare (MSFT) — Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:04:00 GMT

A list of IE plugins and extensions is coming soon when Windows Marketplace officially launches. Developers will be able to get their new products listed there as well. Just go to http://www.microsoft.com/partner/windowsmarketplace/, but you have to be a member of the Microsoft partner network to access this site. Marketplace will be integrated with Download.com so if you're listed there as an IE add-on, then you'll be in marketplace.

IE add-ons in Marketplace

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