Search in Beta 1

re: Search in Beta 1

Chris — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:26:06 GMT

All right, I have some feedback/question about Beta 1. I must say I like the "new tab" button very much. Is there a way get a new tab to navigate to the homepage instead of just a blank page?

Also, is there a way to get the new tab to not "auto select"? What I mean is create a new tab and have it wait for the user to click? This would prevent creating a new tab, but being pushed away from the current webpage while the new tab takes a few seconds to come up. Another thing that can happen is you can create a new tab and paste a URL into the address bar and have a mix of which tab "gets it" first depending on where the new tab is in it's creation.

re: Search in Beta 1

geoff.appleby — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 02:30:02 GMT

Where do I send feedback/bug reports? Can you get an entry in the product feedback centre? I've found a few bugs and I'd like to make reports, but no one can tell me where to go!

re: Search in Beta 1

BB — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 05:44:46 GMT

Speaking of search, or rather "find," there's a feature found in Firefox (and probably some other browsers) where the in-page find box appears on the border of the browser frame. This is a convenient feature when one's doing research. Now, I'm not saying to outright copy Firefox, but it'd be nice if the Find box didn't pop up in a way that obscures the text. How about the ability to dock it?

re: Search in Beta 1

Mick T — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:03:47 GMT

Hi. I think adding an API to allow search engines to be added an excellent idea. However, is it possible to have a common API between Firefox and IE. Firefox already has this functionality, perhaps IE could use the same API as Firefox, or collaborate with Firefox to achieve this.

This would really go miles in showing MS is serious about interoperability, and make implementation of this easier for web developers!

Regards,
Mick

re: Search in Beta 1

Kae Verens — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:08:38 GMT

I find myself hitting the '/' key to start a search. This works in Firefox, vim, and Konqueror - could you add that for IE? It would be great if this could also handle regexps, but that may be stretching the userfriendliness a bit far...

re: Search in Beta 1

Kae Verens — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:10:44 GMT

oh - while I'm at it with requests - how about a feature similar to Google's autocomplete? http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en for reference.

re: Search in Beta 1

Michael Krax — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:23:21 GMT

@Mick
The technology you are probably talking about is "Apple Sherlock files" (see http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn/tn1141.html) for details).

You can simply add an engine using
window.sidebar.addSearchEngine(
"sherlock_file_url",
"icon_url",
"description",
"type" );

But i assume Microsoft will implement something like:

window.external.addSearchProvider(sURLToSPDF);

sURLToSPDF Required. String that specifies the URL of a Search Provider Definition Format (SPDF) file to be installed.

See http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/objects/external.asp

So prepare to write you own little API wrapper that calls the different functions... or wait for a Firefox extension / Greasemonkey script to support the Microsoft style.

PLEASE, IE Team - support Sherlock files.

Michael

re: Search in Beta 1

Brad — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:23:18 GMT

Cool. More junk in my registry and yet another thing to go wrong. Why not use files like Firefox. That way I can let users download a file to add "Search Our Intranet" to their browers. No one should download and install a .REG file. The firefox format seems too be based on a standard Miscrosoft has messed up in the past.

At least use the same format as IE6. We do not need another one!!!!

re: Search in Beta 1

forgetfoo — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:49:09 GMT

it'd be great if there was an inline/page search feature... like BB said, not a "rip" of Firefox, but the same idea with a Microsoft stamp on it (nice UI, friendly/familiar icons)... also be nice if when searching a page for something, you could check an option to search-by-source (HTML), with highlighted text -- would be a great feature for coders and developers that are in the browser 8-9 hours everyday ;)

just a thought to throw out into the mix.

re: Search in Beta 1

Mike — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:11:06 GMT

As one of the above posted said where do we submit feedback? I heard we could use the Microsoft Beta Client tool but it looks like it's meant more for Vista than IE7, even though it runs on XP. There's nothing in the Product Feedback Center for IE7. The Send Feedback link in the Help menu does not work either. So where do we do it?

most critical thing (for me) in IE7 is...

Jim H — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:39:53 GMT

I run a web based company. I'm not planning on using IE for regular browsing because we're all on Linux, but I do keep a Windows box so I can test my site against it. We put the Windows box headless on the network, and use IE via RDP when we need to test the site.

Will I be able to test in IE6 and 7 on the same Windows installation? It might not seem like a big deal, but for a small company having to buy another computer just to run a web browser for a few hours a day, and then just for testing is a really big deal. With the same money I could take my whole team out to a nice resteraunt.

If we can't do this we'll probably not install IE7 on the Windows box to IE7 for a long time, and just support IE6. Setting up a whole new computer is just too much hastle to run a webbrowser.

For reference, one of our Linux boxes has TWELVE versions of the Moz Gecko rendering engine installed, and works without a flaw.

(oh and we'd also not be so keen paying licence fees for another copy of Windows that noone really uses, but that's another matter...)

re: Search in Beta 1

Ernes — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:08:05 GMT

Few things that should be changed (in my opinion) in IE7:
1. I do not like the new tab window button. Why is it there? Have Ctrl+N to open a new tab window.
2. Let users be able to adjust the bars so that I can have the Standard Buttons and Address bar show up on top instead of in the middle.
3. I have a few folders in the Links bar and the folder icon is far too large then what it should be.

I like the phishing menu very much. Haven't used it much but so far so good. Microsoft is on the right path but has to let users have more control of the interface.

re: Search in Beta 1, by Aaron Suave

Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:03:33 GMT

Cool name, Mr. Suave

re: Search in Beta 1

Tom — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:38:50 GMT

Question about another subject..
Why do you don't use Gecko?
It's cool and free.. No?

Re: New tab shortcut

Pete — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:26:10 GMT

Ctrl+T opens a new tab. Ctrl+N has been new window for years. Not everyone uses the keyboard so thats why the button is there. You can also double click in the blue area for a new tab.

re: Search in Beta 1

codemastr — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:41:35 GMT

"Why do you don't use Gecko?"
If IE used Gecko, I wouldn't be using IE.

re: Search in Beta 1

Jonathan — Fri, 12 Aug 2005 03:16:46 GMT

I would like for the Advanced Options in IE for searching from the address bar to no longer be broken. It would be great if the address bar let you go to the "most likely site" while the search box did the search. It is kind of redundant to have two bars side by side promoting the exact same feature.

re: Search in Beta 1

Karl — Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:51:13 GMT

I made a small app a while ago to manage IE's search engines.

Check the Vista "DId you know...?" Thread at AeroXP (started and mainted by me. the IE7 app is the post's attatchment)

On a more general note about IE: I love the toolbar placements and the seemingly faster rendering it does, however, the yellow bar gets a little annoying, because even at normal level, it stops the popups I want.

Also, when using the -extoff extension, that bloody yellow bar is terrible!! it's there all the time and plays its sound every page load! Also, there's no way to set this mode as the default (a quick checkbox would do...)

However, the options dialog is far too dated. It becomes a pain to use then I have 100 checkboxes and buttons about my screen, with very small text and no visual indication (icons) of what does what. A further categorized view (perhaps with a slightly friendlier UI) would be very nice.

Also, it doesn't seem to like more than 2 pages of favourites...

re: Search in Beta 1

Karl — Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:52:30 GMT

oh, by the way, the IE7 search managing app can be found here:

http://www.aeroxp.net/board//index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=299

re: Search in Beta 1

Tezkah — Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:14:45 GMT

I don't like the fact that whenever i hit enter in the search bar it gives me a "donk" sound usually reserved for error messages. I've sent feedback, but it went to someone in India and I'm doubtful if it will ever filter down to the IE team.

Also, the GO button does not show up when you paste a link into the address bar (RIGHT CLICK -> PASTE), only when you are typing... or using Ctrl+v... and when you're typing you can always hit the enter key... making the go button on IE7 completely useless. Please fix these two issues.

re: Search in Beta 1

quality — Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:18:55 GMT

OT, but since Asa Dotzler of Mozilla keeps deleting me from his blog, this is just to publicize.

I asked a very simple question in an Ask Asa: Who was responsible for the testing/QA failure that led to a security <b>regression</b> in Firefox 1.0.4, how will they be censured, and what is being done to prevent a similar recurrence.

He didn't answer and has deleted every comment I post, in which I've said the same thing. I think it's a fair question. Not answering is pretty crappy, but censoring just because he spends too much time being 'visible' and not enough time actually doing QA is truly pathetic.

Asa isn't the funloving guy his blog projects, he can be a complete idiot too. Spread the word.

re: Search in Beta 1

Sven Groot — Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:30:59 GMT

@Jim H:
I don't think there's an official Microsoft supported way to run IE versions side-by-side, but that doesn't mean it can't be done.

At http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/standalone you can find standalone versions of most versions of IE, including 6. I find this to be an invaluable tool in checking site compatibility when developing.

re: Search in Beta 1

Will — Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:13:58 GMT

<<oh - while I'm at it with requests - how about a feature similar to Google's autocomplete? http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en for reference>>

I think a lot of customers would be concerned about leaking every search query you typed out to the Internet.

Internet explorer 7 is crap

Dude — Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:26:47 GMT

I think there is nothing great abt internet explore. You people still havent developed it enough to support W3C CSS.2 .. Its still the old stuff with no much improvments what the big deal with desiging new interface with tabs if you guys cant fix the major issues. check out the review in

http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2005/07/28/ie7_css_upda/

Search encoding bug. re: Search in Beta 1

kpocza — Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:16:01 GMT

I've tried IE7 Beta1. Very Cool, but have found some bugs related to localization.
I'm from Hungary and in our language we use a lot of vowels with accent.
Here is an expression showing all of them:
árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép
When I write it in the search box I get no results but when I use Google or MSN Search directly I get a lot of results.
The URL of search results generated by the search box is:
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=%E1rv%EDzt%C5%B1r%C5%91+t%FCk%F6rf%FAr%F3g%E9p&FORM=I7AW
The URL generated by directly using MSN search is:
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=%C3%A1rv%C3%ADzt%C5%B1r%C5%91+t%C3%BCk%C3%B6rf%C3%BAr%C3%B3g%C3%A9p&FORM=QBNO
I think the first query string is encoded in some kind of ASCII code table the second is encoding in UTF-8.
The second bug is related to changing language using the language bar in Windows.
I use the left Alt+Shift keys to change language from English to Hungarian and back. It works fine in other programs but IE7 prevents me from changing this settings using the keyboard. I can change language only by clicking on the language bar.

re: Search in Beta 1

hongson — Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:33:02 GMT

hello,
i am a BHO developer and have just tried out
IE7b1. unfortunately, it seems that IWebBrowser2.Navigate() has changed and now
fails with a popup message box.

but i understand that you are focused on UI,
so here are couple of comments:
1) the layout of the address bar, tabs and menus does not look 'right'; at the minimum, the menus should be at the top.
2) more importantly, i was hoping the pictures
would look sharp as they do in FireFox and Opera. this is despite the fact that i do
definitely prefer the overall page layout in IE; in Firefox and Opera, the page look too
compressed horizontally. i suppose as you
stretch the page widthwise, pictures get
stretched too (thus becoming fuzzy), but there
should be an option at least to keep the
pictures "true".

regards...
hong son
codesworth

re: Search in Beta 1

truks — Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:18:29 GMT

Mr. Suave,
I use Maxthon, which uses parts of IE. What Maxthon does, is add several very intuitive features that make my browsing experience much easier. Of course it does tabbed browsing, but one of the things I can do is drag any link, and it will be opened in a new tab.

This makes it so easy for me when I am looking at the front page on CNN, for example, to drag each link that I am interested in, and they load in the background.

Another great feature (which ties directly into this search topic) is that I can select any text, including text in links, and then drag the selection, which will then perform a search in a new tab using the selected text and using a search engine that I have configured. This is nice for avoiding click-throughs or other info capturing links.

The Maxthon interface also has what they call mouse gestures, which are dragged right button movements, that make it even easier for me to manage my browsing tasks. Some of the gestures are; drag right for forward, drag left for back, drag up or down for page up or down. Pretty much all of this is configurable.

Whoever is doing this work has gone a long way toward making things intuitive, configurable and easy to use, and they and Maxthon are the sole reason I have not gone to one of the more standards based (community standards, not just MS standards, I also create web applications) browsers for anything more than testing.

A lot of the tabbed browsers require more than dragging a link to open it in a new tab, and even if it is just a double click, or a key/click combination, it is more than I have to do now, so I guess I've been spoiled.

You know what? I like being spoiled.

re: Search in Beta 1

chris — Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:18:01 GMT

"way I can let users download a file to add "Search Our Intranet" to their browers"

Or you could of course just group policy. If it wasn't intranet based (i.e. you'r a search engine who wants to make your search available in IE), you could create an installer that simply creates the registry setting.

Problem solved.

re: Search in Beta 1

Frank — Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:46:51 GMT

Another thing about IE7 is the fact that when you click the new tab it doesn't default to that tab, but just opens it in the background -> not cool!!

re: Search in Beta 1

Xepol — Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:36:54 GMT

Frank : If you want new tabs to open to the foreground,

Select Tools|Internet Options...
Select the ADVANCED tab
Scroll down to the Tabbed Browsing section
Check "Always switch to new tabs when they are created"
Then click OK.

Now when you open links in new tabs, they will grab control and jump to the front.

Personally, I prefer it the way it is by default. As I read, I like to open links of interest to read later.

re: Search in Beta 1

Pratap — Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:59:45 GMT

Hi,

Like what Mr BB said in his comment on the find button, I too would like to see a docked find window rather than have a box which obscures the text that I am reading. Actually though I was a big fan of IE5.5 and IE6.0, I immediately started liking firefox 1.0 after it was released only because I liked the way find was docked into the window. Now it is nice to see IE with all the features that I wanted to see in it (i.e. IE 7.0). So, please think of ways in which you could create a docked find box, rather than have a full box blocking the text on the window (Actually this feature as of now is very frustrating during browsing).

Pratap.

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