Continued fruits of the WaSP partnership: The “HasLayout” myth debunked

HasLayout -- Mysteries unveiled

Brian Goldfarb's Blog — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:47:10 GMT

In conjunction with WaSP&nbsp;members (like Dean Edwards and others) and other experts, Markus Mielke&nbsp;created...

re: Continued fruits of the WaSP partnership: The “HasLayout” myth debunked

Allan Rasmussen — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:46:18 GMT

Great you finally release such information yourselves!
But "Ideally, all these issues should be fixed, if not in IE 7, then in future versions." - you cannot guarantee they're all gone in IE7, I suppose, but is it in any way likely they are?

And btw., I think there's a few minor mistakes in the scenarios:
- a closing div tag too many in the first one
- an iv start tag in the third one

Err..! Spelling mistake

Mudassir — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:01:39 GMT

The child <div> tag in Scenario 3 example is misspelled as <iv>.
May be you shoud correct it.

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Jim — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:47:33 GMT

What myth is being debunked?

To debunk a myth means to show that a commonly held misconception is wrong.

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Dean Edwards — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:51:18 GMT

Fab guys. Simply fab! :-)

HasStandards?

Jesse — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:52:22 GMT

I think it's great that these are acknowledged, and while admitting mistakes is great, when will they be FIXED?

IE bugs are not myth

kL — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:12:44 GMT

Is some work being done on that in IE7? Having bug well-documented is a bit helpful, but nowhere nearly as helpful as not having bug at all.

Floating list of padded links are buggy in IE with and without 'layout'...

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Molly E. Holzschlag — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:17:17 GMT

Well done Markus and all involved. It's very exciting to see progress being made. Here's to keeping the good fruit growing!

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Markus S — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:08:12 GMT

Wonderful! Thank you, WaSP and Markus.

I think I have found a mistake, though:
> Which elements can get a Layout?
> * Elements that have a value other than "auto" specified for the "overflow" property

I think this should be 'other than "visible"'.

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ieblog — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:25:52 GMT

Mudassir,

Thanks. We've fixed that. It should show up on the site soon.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

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Markus [MSFT] — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:27:59 GMT

@Jesse You will see fixes in IE7 (as Chris pointed out in his blog we are working on the top pain points and layout related ones are defintely on the list). Will you see everything fixed? Probably not but we are honestly trying.
-- Markus

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Search Engines Web — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:30:22 GMT

These development will be helpful in precise design logic.

Also, in another area...

TWO feature that would really be interesting to have (if possible) are:

--> The ability to add "background images" to the Scrollbar - CSS Tag eg:
Scrollbar-base-background:back.png

--> The ability to set a FLASH as a background image eg:
background=flash.swf

And please don't forget to add more
STYLE FILTERS & TRANSITIONS

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Ron — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 01:55:03 GMT

You say that HasLayout is important yet you also say it causes multiple bugs?

Come again?

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Masklinn — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:03:54 GMT

> TWO feature that would really be interesting to have (if possible) are:
> --> The ability to add "background images" to the Scrollbar - CSS Tag eg:
Scrollbar-base-background:back.png
> --> The ability to set a FLASH as a background image eg: background=flash.swf

How about they fully implemented and debugged the standards before allowing such nonstandard retarded constructs?

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Alan Trick — Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:37:25 GMT

@Ron: the reason haslayout is important because it is the reason I've spend many late nights trying to get sites to work in IE x_x.

relative position in scrolling

simonleung — Sun, 04 Sep 2005 09:03:17 GMT

In strict mode, the block element with relative position will not be scrolled. I have an example in http://www.siteexperts.com/forums/viewConverse.asp?d_id=17727&Sort=0&t=all

would this be changed in IE7

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Brian — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:39:35 GMT

Just fix your layout engine, and stop requiring us to fix things for you by doing all these stupid workarounds on our site.

Just support the block model correctly, and do not release IE7 until you do so.

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kirk — Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:05:21 GMT

By my calendar it's now late-2005. How long have we all been wrestling with CSS issues in IE? A long time! Nice of MS to finally get around to providing us with some new insight on this ancient browser's rendering process. Where have you guys been for the past five years??!?! Seriously!

Yet another argument for Firefox and other open source browsers.

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