Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

re: Parental Controls in IE7

Ron — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:16:06 GMT

How easy is it to work around this? If a child isn't using IE7 will their downloads and images still be blocked?

re: Parental Controls in IE7

ieblog — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:32:19 GMT

Ron,

Please read Brian's post as well. This is a Vista feature as a whole, not just an IE feature.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

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re: Parental Controls in IE7

Brett — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:26:09 GMT

Is there a way using parental control to limit download/access to some/all ActiveX controls in IE?

Is there a way for parents to review websites that they have manually granted access to?

re: Parental Controls in IE7

game kid — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 06:38:21 GMT

Title is misleading, and should be corrected to "Windows Vista Parental Controls and IE7". For a while, I thought it'd be an actual _browser_ addition.

At least (as a Vista feature) it can't be overridden via Firefox usage. Or malware. I hope.

re: Parental Controls in IE7

wpcheah — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:00:09 GMT

I like to use "Windows Live Family Safety Beta",I get the software from my friend,but
not the tester at Microsoft Connect,
Can you invite me for testing this software?

from :wpcheah AT hotmail.com

Thanks.

re: Parental Controls in IE7

Jonathan Wilson — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:23:26 GMT

I am gussing that browsers like Firefox and Opera will need to implement this themselves.

re: Parental Controls in IE7

ieblog — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:59:03 GMT

Jonathan,

Not if they are running on Windows Vista, for basic Parental Controls. For the IE-specific features, yes.

Brett,

I've updated the title to be clear that this is a Windows Vista feature.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Rob Franco [MSFT] — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:50:42 GMT

Brett, you asked about ActiveX installs. if the parent sets the Parental Controls option to "block downloads", then IE will block ActiveX installs.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

A/X — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:54:53 GMT

So this reature just a black-list filter on top enhanced windows firewall.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Christian Heindel — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:31:06 GMT

I wonder if it would be better, if the text of this message was configurable.

How about:

"Ask you mum or dad (And don't ask your mum if your dad said no!)"

instead of

"Ask an administrator"? ;-)

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

PatriotB — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:02:02 GMT

Re: ActiveX download/install: If you're a limited user on XP, you don't have the ability to download or install ActiveX controls--it fails silently. I'm assuming this will be the case as well in Vista. (And, kids had better be using limited accounts.)

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:11:52 GMT

I find myself oddly unable to post to this blog, and only this blog under IE7 and IE6.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:12:36 GMT

Is there any hope that IE7 running under XP can use a similar scheme to block changes to IE7 settings and downloads if the right setting is set?

It would be easy. If the current user isn't part of the administrator's group (or hey, you could create a group with download permissions), ask them for username/password and if the information correctly allows for impersonation, allow changes to the settings or download.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:12:47 GMT

I tell you, kids and computers = instant viruses. I am so sick of it that the machine they access no longer has internet access. If IE 7 could back port at least blocking downloads and preventing settings from being changed, then IE7 under XP could come that must closer to a trustworthy surfing experience.

I am sick and tired of cleaning viruses off just because my kid managed to download the latest hack to his game that is actually a time bomb waiting to download everything else off the internet and install it while I sleep.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:12:59 GMT

It really should not be that hard to impliment, and I'm a little suprised that download blocking without privledges hasn't been considered an essential part of system security by any software vendor yet. This would be a feature that Firefox doesn't even have yet (but could use just as much as IE)

Just because *I* know what I am doing with a computer doesn't mean that every "guest" who touches the machine does too.

PLEASE, PLEASE tell us this is a feature that you can make available soon for XP! Make it part of your trustworthy computing initiative.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:13:24 GMT

that post was multi part because as a single post, I would get 404 under IE6 and a blank white screen under IE7. SOrry.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Matt — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:51:29 GMT

Could probably write a Firefox extension that implements download blocking, and indeed parental controls - functioanlity-wise it wouldn't be all that different from Adblock, but would need restricted access to the configuration of course.

But I digress. What really made me post is that there's some inconsistency in terminology in the examples. The first one says that you need to ask an administrator for access to the site. The download blocking one says you need to ask 'the person who set up Parental Controls'.

Can't you use the same term in both?

Also, the dialog with the blocked URLs in it looks pretty intimidating. How many parents are going to be able to figure out what to do with it?

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Lordmike — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:14:17 GMT

I agree with Xepol completely.
I too want this feature, but mostly on my gfs computer. She downloads tons of active-x/flash/java games. I don't know how many times I have had to sweep it clean from different worms and trojans (I havent seen a real virus in 7-10 years, today all we get is malware.. well not all but atleast 95%, because its easier to write good malware then a good virus).

And because of low security in IE6 or just windows low security I now need to reinstall mother in laws computer, because no exe files can be opened by a user except "system".

So please create this feature for Windows XP!

Yeah I know.. this is just small problems in the big picture. Annoying as hell though. And if anyone knows how I can reset just the exe part on mothers in law computer I'd be greatfull.

re: A little question of huge importance

Teen — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 16:15:06 GMT

I have a little question. Will the release version of IE 7 require SP2 on Win Xp or not?

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Jason — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:39:53 GMT

The IE7 public beta2 has only worked on Win XP SP2, so I'm sure it will require it.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

ieblog — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:09:52 GMT

Teen,

Yes, this requires XPSP2, which is free and which has security fixes that you probably REALLY want to have. I recommend anyone still running XPSP1 to install SP2. It has been out quite a while now and it is a major improvement.

- Al Billings [MSFT]

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:12:14 GMT

LordMike -> sounds like the permissions got whacked. Under XpPro, I would normally just take ownership of the files from an administrator account and then reset file permissions. Not sure how that translates to XPHome.

Matt-> a firefox extension could easily be turned off. If it isn't built right in, it would be too easy to defeat. Wait, since firefox can be co-installed with itself, anyone with an install image on a disk could just blow past it with a 2nd install even if it is built right in. There are some areas that firefox's flexible nature just can't promote system security. I imagine convincing the firefox team to use a central store for their settings would be considered anathema, and taking full advantage of the XP os for cryptostore and permissions would likely never pass code review as it would cause a platform fork in features. I would be interested in seeing what you create tho.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

game kid — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:25:04 GMT

Thanks very much for the title change.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Xepol — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:56:24 GMT

Teen -> Rule of thumb : always expect the newest stuff from MS to require the newest service pack.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Tim — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:09:55 GMT

Horrible, horrible feature. I don't blame Microsoft though, this is probably only being implemented because there is user demand for it.

But seriously, blocking sites? That's just "not done". Let your kid use a limited user account, so that the computer stays secure. Much better idea, imho.

Also, I've been laughing at some remarks to this feature I've heard. One of them was that Linux LiveCD popularity should be rising after Windows Vista shipped! Well, it DOES make sense, but it's still a funny remark ;-)

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re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

belinda — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 01:40:47 GMT

How do I get windows vista, I need to get parental controls, or can you guide me to a software that blocks out porn.

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Dan C. — Sat, 04 Mar 2006 16:19:12 GMT

I'm curious what IE considers a "download". Every link you click on technically is a "download". Is there a list of file types that are considered downloads or is everything other than .htm/.html lumped in that category.

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re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Paul Freeman-Powell — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:28:19 GMT

@belinda - Vista is not out yet, and Microsoft haven't said when they'll release it yet, sometime near the end of the year I think.

Trend Micro PC Cillin Internet Security is a brilliant package, including virus scanner, firewall, internet filter and tonnes more. I've been using it for over 18 months and find it very good (and no, I dont get commission... shame ;))

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Paul Freeman-Powell — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:29:55 GMT

That's a good point about bootable Linux CDs.... what can a parent do to stop their children getting hold of one, then booting the computer to use that, then they can do whatever they like, look at as much p0rn as they like and do anything.... all without leaving a trace afterwards!

Will Vista have some sort of feature that modifies things at the motherboard level to prohibit booting from such CDs/DVDs? I doubt it...

re: Windows Vista and Parental Controls in IE7

Lomedhi — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 23:52:56 GMT

Paul, your computer's BIOS (part of the basic hardware on the motherboard) already has the ability to disable boot devices, and can be protected with a password.

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