A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

neimad — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:59:50 GMT

does this mean the contenteditable=true property will not work anymore?

if so, then you have made my life hell.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Cathode — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:00:50 GMT

Good move on behalf of increasing security in IE7.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Brian R. James — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:06:05 GMT

Bash please confirm that contenteditable=true is not impacted by this change.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Bash — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:10:53 GMT

contenteditable=true is not affected by this change and will continue to work as before.

-- Bash

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Dave — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:14:47 GMT

What?

Why remove it from the OS totally and therefore make it unavailable to those third-party apps using WebBrowser? If you want to killbit the control in IE7 that's your choice, but I'm not sure why the decision was made to yank it out entirely. Unless there's a big scary bug that makes it dangerous?

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Bash — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:19:12 GMT

If you have a 3rd party webbrowser app that is using the control, we can work with you on that. Please email me directly regarding this.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

norberto — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:46:42 GMT

great, a new reason to switch to firefox

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

codemastr — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:48:37 GMT

"great, a new reason to switch to firefox"
Please explain how closing security holes in IE somehow gives you a reason to switch to firefox? Guess what? Firefox doesn't have the DHTML control either! Whatever reason you think it's bad for IE to get rid of it, switching to Firefox isn't the answer.

My God, if you Firefox fans are going to fill this blog with your stupid "I love Firefox, IE sucks" posts, at least make some sense!

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Jorrit — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:33:37 GMT

Does someone have a link to an example site which is using this control?

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Matthias — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:55:33 GMT

Our Corporate Intranet uses this control.
Please note: You can't find intranet sites by and simple website crawl search and most of these sites are password protected.

An example is: http://www.contens.de/ww/en/pub/products/enterprise.htm

Please: don't remove this control. Make it safe ;-)

Matthias

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Dao — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:11:02 GMT

Matthias: Now is the time to make your Corporate Intranet cross-browser safe.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Adam — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:54:40 GMT

Dave: What do you mean? The browser is part of the OS. They're so tightly coupled that there's no way to distinguish between them. To include the control in one is to include it in the other. It's the MS way!

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Alex — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:55:28 GMT

I just love this guy's email address. Bash (at) Microsoft dot com. Doesn't get better than that...

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Antonio — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:00:52 GMT

I'm not quite sure about DHTML Editing Control, but what I'm pretty sure is, this announcement is a very honest and respectable move, making Microsoft an even more responsible software leader. I believe Bash was expecting for "some shots" here but perhaps to him, something is more important than the shots -- making Microsoft a responsible and transperant leader. Microsoft, a salute to you!

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Phil — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:35:48 GMT

Hey Antonio, need some chapstick there?

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

nick botulism — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:52:11 GMT

i actually think this is a smart and positive move on microsoft's part. it's one of the few posts on this blog that actually makes sense to me :P

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Erik Strandman — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:55:20 GMT

What about showing glyphs, which is a very usefull feature of the DHTML Editing Control?? As far as I know that feature is not built in nativly in IE7. Another issue that I have experienced is that document.designMode doesn't work in modal or modeless windows!! I work on a company that are developing a CMS wich takes advantage of both modal-windows and the DHTML Editing Control. Removing the control means a huge difference for us. The modal windows and the edit control was a strong argument for us to choose the IE-platform, now it seems the we can't use any of them. Thats bad...

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

larry — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:07:14 GMT

when can we test the contenteditable=true function under IE7+

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Jerry Mead — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:53:33 GMT

@ Erik Strandman

This may help you to stay working with the Windows web browsing platform:

http://www.zeepe.com/

re: on a completely unrelated note

jennifer — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:26:05 GMT

i would post this elsewhere but i clicked give feedback but it took me nowhere useful. why did the IE icon get reverted to the old old old one? why? what was wrong with the current one? if you're going to change it, please make it snappier and prettier, please~

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Omar Khan (omark-at-microsoft-dot-com) — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:33:47 GMT

Hello Matthias,

I would recommend looking at freetextbox - http://freetextbox.com/default.aspx which provides similar functionality but also has the added benefit of being cross-browser.

My team will also be releasing a whitepaper on MSDN which explains how to wrap built-in IE editing capabilities to get the same kind of functionality without relying on the DHTML Editing Control.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Omar Khan (omark-at-microsoft-dot-com) — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:35:25 GMT

Hello Erik,

Is your CMS applicaiton a Windows applicaiton or an browser based application? In other words is the DHTML Editing Control loaded inside a browser page, or inside a windows application?

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Ed — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:38:46 GMT

The fact is that if very few sites were using the control, then it makes better business sense to remove it for security purposes than it does to keep it in to keep supporting a very small audience.

Bravo, Microsoft!

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

adam — Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:52:44 GMT

So we're still looking at august for beta 3?

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Karl-Johan Sjögren — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:02:57 GMT

@Omar Khan

I work for the same company as Erik and our product is a completely browser based-product. And as he said, since it isn't working with .designMode in modal or modeless windows this will make a huge change for us.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:48:47 GMT

@Adam: Microsoft hasn't formally announced a release date for Beta-3. We're eager to get it to everyone as soon as it's ready-- Stay tuned to the IE blog for the latest news.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Steve Walker — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:53:40 GMT

I am not a fan of Firefox in the least, but the comment "The fact is that if very few sites were using the control" may be a result of the fact that the other browser doesn't support it and many have moved to cross-browser tools such as fckeditor (www.fckeditor.net) or the previously mentioned FreeTextBox. I had 8 sites that I transitioned to FCKEditor to support Firefox and OS-X.

Hats of to Microsoft on IE 7

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:53:53 GMT

@Karl-Johan: If you're not directly hosting the DHTML ActiveX control, you should be fine.

For instance, the page http://msdn.microsoft.com/archive/en-us/samples/internet/ie55/editregions/editregions.htm still works just fine in Vista.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

m1t0s1s — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:11:49 GMT

Concerning the reset button:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/06/12/628499.aspx#comments

why not just have a safe mode like mozilla/firefox?

DHTML Editing Control and IE7+

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The webdevtools team has historically owned a control that shipped with IE5.5 and above.&nbsp; This control...

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

PL — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:55:36 GMT

People that cant read shouldn't be on the web.

1. This is a SEPARATE ActiveX control that is being removed.

2. IT HAS NOTHING to do with the contenteditable feature which is used by thousands of blogs, forums, contact forms, free email services....

3. Learn to read properly.

4. Learn to read properly.

...

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Marco Gerlach — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:18:40 GMT

We're using DHTML control to give our users the possibility to save data to their local disks. Do you have any proposals how to do this in IE7+ ?

document.all.DHTMLEdit.DOM.body.innerHTML = sMyHTMLToSave;
doccument.all.DHTMLEdit.SaveDocument('',true);

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Omar Khan (omark-at-microsoft-dot-com) — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:26:20 GMT

Karl / Erik,

Can you send me email directly at omark-at-microsoft-dot-com and i'll see if we can help in getting you information on how to achieve the same results, but without using the control.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Jazper — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:49:16 GMT

When can we expect beta 3 to arrive?

will my application like MCE 2005 and MSN Explorer 9.2 break if i Install IE 7.0

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:56:55 GMT

@m1t0s1s: "why not just have a safe mode"

You can run IE without addons by right-clicking the desktop shortcut or using a link in the System Tools folder. However, this doesn't reset everything-- it just runs without addons (a primary source of problems)

@Jazper: Stay tuned to the IEBlog for news on Beta-3. I use MCE2005+IE7 without problems.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Andrea Boschin — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:44:37 GMT

My application rely on the dhtml control. How about migration? Will I have to change the content editor control to a third party control?

Please let me know.
http://imhoproject.org

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Hannes Preishuber — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:24:57 GMT

why not use mshtml instead?

i have blogged about the explorer control in 2.0
http://weblogs.asp.net/hpreishuber/archive/2005/07/13/419281.aspx

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Dao — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:13:02 GMT

> We're using DHTML control to give our users the possibility to save data to their local disks. Do you have any proposals how to do this in IE7+ ?

There's the Storage interface introduced by the WHATWG: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-client-side
As far as I know, the first browser to implement this is Firefox 2.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

miniplayer.info — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:51:47 GMT

This is great news, the last thing Microsoft needs is to have a bunch of exploits at launch time. Some people will never be happy!

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

GK — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:58:27 GMT

I don't know much about the IE7 so this question may be totally irrelevant. Can we develop IE7 or IE7+ add-ins, etc. using WinFX (managed code)?

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

antoniooi — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:42:18 GMT

SECURITY WARNING TO MICROSOFT:

The "thankyou.aspx" URL sent by jace allows users to bypass WGA check. Good luck.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

m1t0s1s — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:44:21 GMT

@EricLaw: thanks!

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Mark McNally — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:04:56 GMT

A bit clueless but does this have an impact on web based wysiwygs such as TinyMCE and FCK ? ? I thought this was control IE used for these apps or has there since been a different control embedded into IE ? ?

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IE7 beta 3 released — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:25:04 GMT

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=4C1A8FBE-FB6A-47AC-867D-BB1F17E477EE&displaylang=en

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:15:46 GMT

@GK: I haven't used WinFX, but it's pretty straightforward to create Addons using .NET 2.0. .NET enables you to expose your .NET object as a COM object, which means that you can use .NET in IE.

beta 3??

Will — Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:38:42 GMT

Is there a IE7+ beta 3 or is there only a IE7 beta 3??

FreeTextBox4 and IE7 Mention

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...

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Omar Khan (omark-at-microsoft-dot-com) — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:16:34 GMT

Hello Andrea,

If your applicaiton is a web browser based applicaiton, then the recommendation is to transition to one of the free third party components that provide similar functionality:
http://freetextbox.com/default.aspx
http://www.fckeditor.net

If the application is a Windows application (e.g. - C++ or VB), then we will be providing a separate redist that you can ship as part of your specific application.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

Chris — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:53:20 GMT

How does are the DHTML control and MSHTML related? We're planning to use MSHTML in an upcoming app (hosted in a .NET Form).

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

EricLaw [MSFT] — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:58:43 GMT

I believe that the DHTML control is a wrapper around MSHTML.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

PatriotB — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:01:24 GMT

adam said: "So we're still looking at august for beta 3?"

Hehe, bet you're feeling kinda silly now eh?

Who was ever looking at August?

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

mm — Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:11:16 GMT

I need to load a CString into a DHTML ActiveX control for IE 5.

If the CString is less than 600,000 chars then u can directly use put_DocumentHTML function.

But if the CString is more than 600000 chars or so, then the only solution is to use LoadDocument or the LoadURL functions that can read the file from the hard drive. The problem is that the process of writing to the hard drive and reading back slows down things.

anybody knows wuts wrong with put_DocumentHTML function ???????

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DrAxTe — Wed, 05 Jul 2006 03:08:04 GMT

same =)

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

John Morrison — Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:05:43 GMT

Here is a post from July of 2004:

I am Scott Stearns, the test manager for the Microsoft Internet Explorer team (as Dean says we will be pulling together full bios of people later). The IE team as we usually say. Some of us have our individual blogs today, but we also wanted to have one that was focused on what we do every day at work – make Internet Explorer the best way for browsing the web.

We see how that came to fruition. Seriously guys, give it up. Your stupid browser causes me nothing but headaches. I just had to purchase a crappy PC to run your sleazy operating system and test my sites with IE because you don't know how to code to standards. Just quit and go work for Firefox so the rest of us can get on with our lives.

re: A Note about the DHTML Editing Control in IE7+

amos — Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:31:37 GMT

HI
im using dhtmled.ocx component using delphi.
what alternatives do i have once vista hits the market? i guess that continue the same as it is now wont be possible

will it be possible to register this ocx manually?

thanks

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