Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Barry — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:55:00 GMT

Good to see. now, can we please start posting images that don't look awful like this! They don't need to be uber high res, but at least appear decently! (change your settings for compression, the pixelation in these images is terrible!)

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Zipi — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:58:32 GMT

haha
www.איקאה.com
is for IKEA in Hebrew
cool :P

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Sokol — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:29:55 GMT

Thank you for making the changes. However a distinct discrimination against non-Latin speakers who routinely use Latin script mixed in remains. Cyrillic is not included on the list. Obviously, due to spoofing concerns. However, if you are truly listened to your end users, you would know that even in Cyrillic, mixed script words like DVD and CD are the norm. Otherwise, thank you for finally opening up to the world and letting users use domains in their native languages. Let a million flowers bloom.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Claw — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:09:01 GMT

Why is Chinese not on this list?

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

EricLaw [MSFT] — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:17:57 GMT

@Sokol: We "truly" listened to our end-users, who ranked non-spoofability as the #1 concern for IDN. IDN will never take off if it's viewed as a security hole.

@Claw: I'm not sure I understand your question. Han is a Chinese script.

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re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Hiro Hotta — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:31:42 GMT

Pleased to see IE allows mixed script IDNs for Japanese (Hani/Hira/kana) and ASCII, since it's very common to see such names, such as company names and product names, in real life.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

njg — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 03:28:18 GMT

Since I installed IE 7 Beta 3, everytime I access my internal sharepoint site, I now get prompted for user authentication and this happens each time I try to do anything on the site so you end up entering the same authentication info again and again. I am the administrator of this sharepoint site and even if I click remember me, it still keeps prompting me for authentication even though I am on an internal network. This wasn't happening before IE 7.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Xepol — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:11:13 GMT

I realize that this is off topic, but has anyone else using the google toolbar suddenly found that their toolbar has been updated without their permission?

I hoped on my machine today and suddenly a totally changed toolbar with google this, gmail that, etc etc, and I can't remember EVER being asked if I wanted my toolbar updated. I can't even find a setting in the toolbar that would prevent this invasion of privacy from happening again.

Frankly, I'm a little confused and bewildered why a company that says its motto is to do no evil and them basically loads new software on my machine heading down that slippery slope towards spyware, all without even saying anything till after it is done.

Frankly, I'm so mad, I'm seriously considering uninstalling the toolbar forever.

Anyways, anyone else seeing this?

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

dotone — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 05:54:16 GMT

1-Is it only the domain name at this point? How about the URL and file names?

2-I don't see Farsi in the language list, is it comming anytime soon?

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Hoopskier — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 06:41:51 GMT

While you're on the "we listened" theme...

Any chance you'll listen to us about the naming of "IE7+" on Vista?

Blog readers, please vote on this bug to remove the + from IE7+:

https://connect.microsoft.com/IE/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=168635

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Claw — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 07:31:44 GMT

@ErikLaw: I see "Hani" on the list, but I don't think I have ever heard it called that. Is it a typo? It's normally called Hanzi in Chinese.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

EricLaw [MSFT] — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 09:24:13 GMT

@Claw: I'm not an expert on global scripts, but I assume that Han is a Latinization (see e.g. http://www.circleid.com/posts/jet_guidelines_for_internationalized_domain_names/)

@njg: There are 2 likely problems here. 1> Are the sites in the Trusted Zone? If so, you need to enable the "Automatic logon" action in Tools|Internet Options|Security|Trusted. If not, ensure that "Include all local (intranet sites)" is checked in Tools | Internet Options | Security | Sites.

@dotone: The IDN standard only applies to domain names. For the rest of the URL, IE by default uses UTF-8 for the path, and either UTF-8 or codepaged text for the query string.

The language list above is the list of scripts allowed to mix with Latin. Not all scripts need to mix with Latin.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

盗盗 — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:52:41 GMT

good!!!

i couldn't wait for this time coming

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re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Luca — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:32:47 GMT

Windows Vista's IE7+ has cipher strength = 256-bit. Do you know if Windows XP's IE7 cipher strength is 256-bit ?

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Vlad — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:16:54 GMT

I think this is an internet explorer 7 bug but I didn`t know where to send a bug report...
http://code-news.blogspot.com/2006/08/ie-70-encoding-bug.html I don`t think it`s just for IE 7.0

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Sokol — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:08:51 GMT

--As for Chinese, you should know that domains like 北京CBD (Beijing CBD), the official name of the Beijing Central Business District, should be supported, no ifs, ands, or buts.

--"We "truly" listened to our end-users, who ranked non-spoofability as the #1 concern for IDN". -- In other words, you listened to the users who don't need IDNs in the first place, like those who only speak English, want to continue using ascii-only URLs, and can't be bothered by the rest of the world, and are annoyed some clever phishing types have inserted weird characters to spoof. That's not the IDN user base! The IDN user base is people who routinely use languages that are not ascii based. Why should they suffer? If I have Russian and English set as acceptable languages, I should be able to view mixed script domains.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

AJenbo — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:32:42 GMT

Damit what is up with the image software you guys use, you jpg compress it and then recompress as png making us download artifacted images at the price of losless.

Some problems may caused by IE7 Beta 3

Eric Liu — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:11:52 GMT

I should not address my question over here. But I can't post a new one since I am a guest user, and don't come here usually. But I have some problems by IE, I think it maybe because I am using IE7 beta3 version. Here is my problems:

1. I always got some pages with some infomation down the left corner in status bar says:"done but with error!" and the page can't show correctly. Once I meet that, I can't just simply eleminite it by fresh or open in new table. The only solution is close my IE and open new one. But it also may not help everytime. I need to try serval times to show the page correctly.

2. Sometimes, I got a problem with my internet and IE only showed me an error infomation page, that is fine.
After a while, when the internet back to normal, and I can go to other websites, but I can't go to the page which I just got error infomation by simply using fresh button. I mean I have to open the same page in new table or windows.

3. The last one is the one really bothered me recently. That's the reason I come here. But I am not sure it is IE7 beta3's problem or the web site's problem.
I usually go to a Chinese web site
http://blog.sina.com.cn
In the midlle of the page, you may see many small pictures. They are the link to some's blog with many pictures. But, my problem is, whenever I try to look at these blogs, the pictures do not show up.

Can someone with IE7 Beta3 try one of that?

my computer IBM T43 xp sp2 + IE7 beta3

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

EricLaw [MSFT] — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:16:42 GMT

@Vlad: The URL you've provided leads to a 404 page. Can you please fix the URL?

@Sokol: Microsoft is committed to helping protect all users worldwide from phishing attacks, not just those who speak English. To reiterate: If someone registers an IDN with a disallowed mix of scripts, everyone can still navigate to that URI, it is simply displayed in a Punycode form which cannot be used for spoofing attacks.

@Eric Liu: I'm able to see the images on the blog.sina.com.cn page and the pages that it links to. Can you please provide the exact URL of a page which isn't showing pictures?

Thanks, everyone!

@AJenbo: Yup, we've posted a bunch of bad images lately. We'll try to do better in the future, but as you can imagine, we're busy working hard on getting the product out.

If you'd like to see only the designer-blessed pretty images, visit http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Rosyna — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:28:57 GMT

Yay! Now MS has taken the same approach as Safari.

People using IE7 can finally visit http://sailor月.com/japan/Japan.html without seeing an error message with a solution that doesn't work.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

eric Liu — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:22:09 GMT

Ericlaw, thanks for your response. Usually, I have problems with any blog with pictures from this web site, for example, http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/44491d9d010004w3
The pictures are small red cross foe me now. When I use right-click to see the properties of the pitcture, I saw http://album.sina.com.cn/pic/44491d9d020007vs for the first one. I am little strange at this. Because the pictures in other websites are end with *.jpg or something. Why does not in this website? So I suppose this website is using some special technology to deal with pictures. And this technology happened to have some problem with IE7 or my windows xp sp2.

Another issuse is about my internet. Maybe the poor DSL causes this problem. But I am fine with other website with many pictures.

Also I did a test like this:
Again for the first picture in this link, I can't see it in the current page even I refresh it or right click the red cross and select "show picture".
Then I copy the link of the pic, and open a new table in this IE window, copy the link to this adress bar, but "enter" or "refresh" did not help. I can not see the picture.

Then I did another test. I keep this IE window opened, but open a new IE window and copy the link to the new windows, then the picture shows up.

Ok, I back to the first window, which I couldn't open the picture just before, and use right click and select "show picture", the picture show up.

I know this is really mess. But I am really want figure out what is the problem.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Vlad — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:37:08 GMT

@EricLaw [MSFT] can you please tell me which link leads to a 404 page?. All the links work fine for me.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Vlad — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:09:10 GMT

Sorry about the question...other persons seem to have problems accessing the page too..I don`t know why. try this: http://code-news.blogspot.com - It`s the post about IE bug :)

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

EricLaw [MSFT] — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:21:42 GMT

@Vlad: The site (http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~dlucanu/pa/id_tema_2005-2006.htm) renders perfectly for me in my RC1 build of IE7. That being said, the page is written incorrectly. The server returns the header:

Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

But the body contains the directive:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">

These can't both be right.

Visited Tabs Indication

Ash — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:21:09 GMT

IE7 is a great improvement.

I would like to see an indication on the tab that tells me if I have viewed it or not.

Being able to 'pin' tabs so they load the next time IE is opened would also be great.

Both of these features are in the iRider browser, which was my default until IE7 came along.

IE7 RC1

Dr_Drew — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:50:38 GMT

Any news on when Release Candidate 1 will be... released?

Also, how come this blog isn't done like the live blogs, where you can log in under you live account? I like that.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

sayad — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:52:48 GMT

gooooooood very goooooood

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Brutus — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 04:20:16 GMT

This was more important than an integrated download manager?

I renew my request for an integrated download manager. And one like Opera's, not Firefox's (Firefox's sucks; I've seen cases where the server stops responding for a certain length of time (but doesn't necessarily terminate the connection), causing FF to think that the download is complete, and you can't resume the download in that case; you have to start over from the beginning. With Opera, the download process stops, but Opera tags it with "Error", which means that you can Resume the download where you left off, which is what and IE download manager should allow as well.)

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

EricLaw [MSFT] — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:20:15 GMT

@Brutus: Yes, in surveys of what IE users were looking for, IDN ranked well above a download manager (remember, there are hundreds of millions of non-US users of IE).

There are a wide variety of download managers available for Internet Explorer. My current favorite is (the somewhat unfortunately named) LeechGet, available from http://www.leechget.net/en/. It offers a ton of features and is free for personal use.

Of course, we're still looking at building in a download manager for a future release of IE.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

freeworld — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:26:06 GMT

Thanks for finally delivering this IDN support. Many people fail to realize that this changes the entire internet for the majority of users around the world. Throw off the shackles of ASCII!!

Given the importance of this feature, I am rather surprised that in your PR about IE7 you rarely mention IDN support. For most of us who are in a position to judge it is game-changing stuff. Enhanced anti-phishing is great but this goes way beyond.

A different matter

SG — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:35:37 GMT

I've noticed that in IE 7, if I change the CSS attribute "display" to "none", the div contect keeps on playing.
For example, if I have an video gallery where you can hide and show content by clicking on the various icons, if I play one of the movies and then click on a different icon, that movie will keep on playing. I won't be able to see it, but the sound will keep on playing.
This was not the case in IE 6 (or any of the other browsers, for that matter). I hope it will be fixed.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

m1t0s1s — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:25:18 GMT

That's awesome!

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

m1t0s1s — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:26:25 GMT

Can you please allow IE to use mixed script IDNs for Japanese (Hani/Hira/kana) and ASCII, since it's very common to see names such as company names and product names, in real life.

The web is international, I am not

Neal — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:31:32 GMT

The web may be international and Internet Explorer obviously needs to support all the nations and users, but I am not international nor is my life or business or interests. You will never see a legitimate US business targetting US customers using these characters in the urls. Give me an option to disable resolving and accessing any such url. While you're at it enable me to disable accessing urls by specifying wildcards such as *.cn *.someurl.net. I'm talking about a hosts level option... although letting me specify security zones this way would also be a plus.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

johhnyqb — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:43:10 GMT

http://www.medi-vet.com/detail.aspx~ID~2873

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Aedrin — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:57:41 GMT

People must not be having that much trouble developing cross browser websites if they can troll blogs with comments such as:

"Damit what is up with the image software you guys use, you jpg compress it and then recompress as png making us download artifacted images at the price of losless."

Who cares what the quality or format is, they are clearly visible and are only there to explain something. This is not a high quality glossy book with high resolution pictures. It is a blog.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Rosyna — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:02:58 GMT

I know this isn't quite the place to say this, but I think IE's phishing filter is totally borked.

http://www.imagetrash.net/image_45485.jpg

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Selcuk Islamoglu — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:18:35 GMT

Not sure, if Turkish will be included in this, such IDN names also allowed here while Turkish alphabet mainly latin, windows-1254, iso-8859-9 domain names can be Turkish specific characters, where other users just see as different type such as "ğ, ş, ı". I'm not sure if this is natively installed in IE7.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Luke — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:01:40 GMT

@Rosyna
I visited this link http://www.unsanity.org/archives/rant/caring_for_developers.php with IE7 beta3 and I didn't get a warning by phishing filter.
Look here: http://imageshack.ath.cx/images/nophish.PNG

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

EricLaw [MSFT] — Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:02:54 GMT

@Neal: By default, if you haven't configured other langauges to anything other than English, it won't be possible to spoof you using IDN.

Checking Tools | Internet Options | Advanced | "Always show encoded addresses" will remove the possibility of you being spoofed by an International domain name, even if you change your language settings.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

ste0000 — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:30:43 GMT

nice work guys... but I do ask why you have left the £ (UK pound sign) out of en, en-gb and en-ie. Surley those character sets should allow a mixed character set with a £ as its on at least every UK keyboard.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Naoshi Ogata — Mon, 07 Aug 2006 02:36:30 GMT

Hi!

can i make a request? why dont you allow that the default landing page for domains typed without extension on IE'7 in japanese is .jp instead of .com?

First. For japanese content, there are -obviously but not for you until now- more japanese on .jp domains on use than .com.

I mean as i am not confident on foreign languages and it is a .jp the extension that has the most japanese content, why to force me to go to an extension (.com) that is most likely not to have japanese content? On .com i will be landing on english, spanish, greek, etc. websites and i dont see the point, i speak and my IE'7 is in japanese. So save me some time and make .jp default landing extension for the people that have IE'7 on japanese.

I know there are more .com registered than .jp, but it doesnt mean there are japanese content on .com than .jp , right? After all, for someone in Japan, with IE'7 in japanese it will make sense that this person's preference are websites on japanese, dont you think? And as i said .jp is like 99% chances to have japanese content, while a .com is only less than 1% of .com are in japanese.

Second. Regarding japanese idn and .com

Most .com in japanese IDN are already taken by cybersquatters, as .com is cheaper to register and it is not controlled by the Japan Registry. Verisign doenst combat much cybersquatting. At least JPRS combat cybersquatting on .jp , so you dont see almost never pages full of ads on .jp, while on .com millions of .com doesnt have content at all. A .jp has content and on japanese, thats what i meant.

Anyway, please let me know your feedback, because i really find annoying and a little .com biased that if you dont type the extension (.jp), you have to visit a .com that 99% of them are not in japanese, while 99% of .jp has japanese content.

I dont know in China and other countries. but in Japan, for japanese content to visit a .jp means more pages in japanese than to visit a .com So please for IE'7 on japanese, please landing page on .jp, not non-sense .com as less than 1% have japanese content? Onegai shimasu!!!!

Naoshi O.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Chris — Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:00:54 GMT

I'm not sure if this is in the right place, but I would like to see IE7 allow you to drag tabs in one window of IE to another window of IE. If there is a better place to talk about this, put me in the right direction please.

re: Changes to IDN in IE7 to now allow mixing of scripts

Will — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:13:11 GMT

Naoshi Ogata:

What feature are you talking about? If you type in a URL, you go to the site. If you don't type in the full domain, you go to search (and you get to configure what search engine is used). If you want, you can change what happens when you hit CTRL+Shift+Enter using Tools>InternetOptions>Languages.

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